HP Z440’s Bricked Hard



  • @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Pete-S So just to be clear, you recommend just downloading the C612 driver and loading that during OS install wizard?

    Maybe, maybe not - if the C612 driver is the RAID driver, then yes, that's what you want to put on the USB stick (unzipped) and provide to Windows during install.

    But if that's just a chipset driver, and the RAID is something else, you'll need to get the RAID driver itself, and put that on the USB stick.



  • @Dashrender It's a Linux Bootable. Or that's what Google told me.



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  • @Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Pete-S So just to be clear, you recommend just downloading the C612 driver and loading that during OS install wizard?

    Maybe, maybe not - if the C612 driver is the RAID driver, then yes, that's what you want to put on the USB stick (unzipped) and provide to Windows during install.

    But if that's just a chipset driver, and the RAID is something else, you'll need to get the RAID driver itself, and put that on the USB stick.

    @Dashrender I was thinking that might be the case. I'm just going to go with the bootable they gave me for now, but will look into adjusting fire for future endeavors.



  • @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Dashrender It's a Linux Bootable. Or that's what Google told me.

    lol - oh.. well, yeah it is, err... but.. so?

    if you're thinking that you could use Clonezilla to see if the drives are available to Clonezilla - OK I suppose that makes sense, but not seeing the drive in Clonezilla wouldn't tell you anything, i.e. not seeing it in Clonezilla doesn't mean you have hardware problems.

    Linux can suffer the same problems that Windows does - lack of driver support for the storage subsystem in the box. If the Live Linux distro you pick doesn't have the Z440 RAID driver in it, then it won't see the drive any more than Windows will.



  • @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Pete-S So just to be clear, you recommend just downloading the C612 driver and loading that during OS install wizard?

    Maybe, maybe not - if the C612 driver is the RAID driver, then yes, that's what you want to put on the USB stick (unzipped) and provide to Windows during install.

    But if that's just a chipset driver, and the RAID is something else, you'll need to get the RAID driver itself, and put that on the USB stick.

    @Dashrender I was thinking that might be the case. I'm just going to go with the bootable they gave me for now, but will look into adjusting fire for future endeavors.

    They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!



  • @Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Dashrender It's a Linux Bootable. Or that's what Google told me.

    lol - oh.. well, yeah it is, err... but.. so?

    if you're thinking that you could use Clonezilla to see if the drives are available to Clonezilla - OK I suppose that makes sense, but not seeing the drive in Clonezilla wouldn't tell you anything, i.e. not seeing it in Clonezilla doesn't mean you have hardware problems.

    No, Pete was saying SOP was to use Linux bootable to wipe raid sigs and drive partitions. I'm just trying to learn which Linux distros are preferred as I'm new to the idea and the list of Linux disto's are lengthy.



  • They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!

    Basically. And yes, very cool.



  • @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Dashrender It's a Linux Bootable. Or that's what Google told me.

    lol - oh.. well, yeah it is, err... but.. so?

    if you're thinking that you could use Clonezilla to see if the drives are available to Clonezilla - OK I suppose that makes sense, but not seeing the drive in Clonezilla wouldn't tell you anything, i.e. not seeing it in Clonezilla doesn't mean you have hardware problems.

    No, Pete was saying SOP was to use Linux bootable to wipe raid sigs and drive partitions. I'm just trying to learn which Linux distros are preferred as I'm new to the idea and the list of Linux disto's are lengthy.

    Aww - Clonezilla isn't considered a Linux distro - it's really just a tool - one that happens to use Linux to boot the system (because the Clonezilla tool itself is not bootable).

    think of it like this the calculator tool on Windows - the code for it on a USB stick is useless, it can't do anything, but, if you boot the system from Windows, then the code can run under windows. Clonezilla is the same.



  • @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Dashrender It's a Linux Bootable. Or that's what Google told me.

    lol - oh.. well, yeah it is, err... but.. so?

    if you're thinking that you could use Clonezilla to see if the drives are available to Clonezilla - OK I suppose that makes sense, but not seeing the drive in Clonezilla wouldn't tell you anything, i.e. not seeing it in Clonezilla doesn't mean you have hardware problems.

    No, Pete was saying SOP was to use Linux bootable to wipe raid sigs and drive partitions. I'm just trying to learn which Linux distros are preferred as I'm new to the idea and the list of Linux disto's are lengthy.

    Pete's SOP thing is about Live Linux distros - like Fedora Live, or Ubuntu Live. These are OSes that are configured in an ISO format (typically) that can be booted and run from CD/DVD/USB as if they were running from an HDD - only typically much slower.



  • @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!

    Basically. And yes, very cool.

    No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.



  • @JaredBusch said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!

    Basically. And yes, very cool.

    No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.

    I'd take one exception to that - MS signature PCs - they were promised crapware free.



  • @Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @JaredBusch said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!

    Basically. And yes, very cool.

    No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.

    I'd take one exception to that - MS signature PCs - they were promised crapware free.

    If their image was a simple clean OS, sure. But I bet it wasn’t.



  • @Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @JaredBusch said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!

    Basically. And yes, very cool.

    No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.

    I'd take one exception to that - MS signature PCs - they were promised crapware free.

    I think that it was only THIRD PARTY crapware free.



  • Posted this regarding live booting: https://mangolassi.it/topic/21070/live-boot

    Regarding adding a driver during Windows 10 install:
    Youtube Video



  • @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    Upon trying to boot (either UEFI or BIOS) from Windows 10 install disk, there are no drives present.

    You must be using UEFI to boot Windows 10 on a GPT disk. Otherwise, it must be MBR.



  • @scottalanmiller said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @JaredBusch said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!

    Basically. And yes, very cool.

    No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.

    I'd take one exception to that - MS signature PCs - they were promised crapware free.

    I think that it was only THIRD PARTY crapware free.

    LOL - of course - but then again - Windows 10 ISO install can't even say that.



  • @Obsolesce said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    Upon trying to boot (either UEFI or BIOS) from Windows 10 install disk, there are no drives present.

    You must be using UEFI to boot Windows 10 on a GPT disk. Otherwise, it must be MBR.

    Sure, but if you are booting from installation media - the current disk format doesn't matter - the installer should still see the drive, and if needed - tell you it needs to be reformatted for the current BIOS/UEFI settings.



  • @Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Obsolesce said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    Upon trying to boot (either UEFI or BIOS) from Windows 10 install disk, there are no drives present.

    You must be using UEFI to boot Windows 10 on a GPT disk. Otherwise, it must be MBR.

    Sure, but if you are booting from installation media - the current disk format doesn't matter - the installer should still see the drive, and if needed - tell you it needs to be reformatted for the current BIOS/UEFI settings.

    Yeah I quoted the wrong thing. I was referring to the OS booting, not the boot media.



  • @scottalanmiller said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @JaredBusch said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!

    Basically. And yes, very cool.

    No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.

    I'd take one exception to that - MS signature PCs - they were promised crapware free.

    I think that it was only THIRD PARTY crapware free.

    Right....I bet that windows crap is still there!



  • @jmoore said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @scottalanmiller said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @JaredBusch said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    They are providing you with a Windows 10 ISO that you can put on a USB stick and boot/install from that includes the RAID driver? Cool!

    Basically. And yes, very cool.

    No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.

    I'd take one exception to that - MS signature PCs - they were promised crapware free.

    I think that it was only THIRD PARTY crapware free.

    Right....I bet that windows crap is still there!

    Almost certainly.



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  • Aww - Clonezilla isn't considered a Linux distro - it's really just a tool - one that happens to use Linux to boot the system (because the Clonezilla tool itself is not bootable).

    think of it like this the calculator tool on Windows - the code for it on a USB stick is useless, it can't do anything, but, if you boot the system from Windows, then the code can run under windows. Clonezilla is the same.

    @Dashrender Ah. Thanks for the clarification. Sorry for the late reply.



  • No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.

    @JaredBusch So this bootable only included raid drivers for windows to see the partitions it seems. I was able to see the partitions and delete them to install new OS from my Win10 DVD. After Windows booted there was an HP installer on that disk as well, but I just skipped running it as I assumed it was just bloatware. When you say vendor image, in this instance, what could be different besides the bloatware part? Are we talking outdated RAID drivers or default drivers used by Windows, and wouldn't those drivers update as soon as you ran an obligatory "Check for Updates"?

    Trying to be better and you guys are really helping, so I appreciate the input.



  • @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    No, not cool. You never want a vendor image.

    So this bootable only included raid drivers for windows to see the partitions it seems. I was able to see the partitions and delete them to install new OS from my Win10 DVD. After Windows booted there was an HP installer on that disk as well, but I just skipped running it as I assumed it was just bloatware. When you say vendor image, in this instance, what could be different besides the bloatware part? Are we talking outdated RAID drivers or default drivers used by Windows, and wouldn't those drivers update as soon as you ran an obligatory "Check for Updates"?

    Trying to be better and you guys are really helping, so I appreciate the input.

    I really don't follow your explanation. You've managed to boot into Windows to see and HP installer? where did this Windows boot environment come from? I mean I know it's possible to create a bootable windows environment, like you can for Linux, though it's use is pretty rare - and MS recently killed the ability to make this in 1903 I think.

    A vendor image, is normally an enhanced/changed/updated version of the standard Windows install ISO. It's updated by the vendor to include drivers (often needed to boot/install/see the storage) and other vendor related junkware, and sometimes third party crap.

    Most of use around here avoid using vendor images because of the second and third things listed there, but that does sometimes leave us in a pickle. By this I mean - we have to make our own image that includes the storage drivers so the image will boot and be able to detect the storage devices automatically and allow a typical installation.

    There are google'able instructions on how to do this - warning - it is a HUGE PITA! You have to normally update at least two areas of the image to make it work - one for for the boot portion and one for the gui portion, I think I've read there is a third place sometimes - but it's been a while, so I could be mistaken.

    Instead of updating the image - others in the thread have already suggested that you put the drivers onto a USB stick and provide it to the system during the storage selection process - there will be a button for add drivers, upon adding the drivers, the system should then see the storage device and allow you to act upon it.



  • @G-I-Jones said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    Are we talking outdated RAID drivers or default drivers used by Windows, and wouldn't those drivers update as soon as you ran an obligatory "Check for Updates"?

    Maybe, maybe not, If HP hasn't give them to MS to certify, then no, Windows Update won't have them, and you'd have to update them manually.

    MS can update all kinds of drivers, but, most manufacturers don't provide the drivers to MS (I'm assuming MS charges them for this) so you, the user, have to acquire the new software (BIOS/UEFI/Drivers, etc) and install them yourself.



  • I really don't follow your explanation. You've managed to boot into Windows to see and HP installer? where did this Windows boot environment come from?

    @Dashrender - I was able to install Windows from a Microsoft ISO that I had, as my initial issue was seeing the partitions, this bootable (HP gave me) gave me the necessary drivers to do such. After Windows was installed, I was then able to open the same bootable USB (HP gave me) and there was a HP Installer included. I opted not to run it because the likelihood of it being bloatware.

    A vendor image, is normally an enhanced/changed/updated version of the standard Windows install ISO. It's updated by the vendor to include drivers (often needed to boot/install/see the storage) and other vendor related junkware, and sometimes third party crap.

    Most of use around here avoid using vendor images because of the second and third things listed there, but that does sometimes leave us in a pickle.

    Appreciated.



  • @Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    By this I mean - we have to make our own image that includes the storage drivers so the image will boot and be able to detect the storage devices automatically and allow a typical installation.

    This is overthinking things. You Boot to the Windows ISO and then simply click "Load driver" and have the driver on another USB.

    No one in the SMB should be doing anything else. Building bootable images with all the right drivers? waste of time. You should not be installing often enough to worry about that.



  • @JaredBusch said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    @Dashrender said in HP Z440’s Bricked Hard:

    By this I mean - we have to make our own image that includes the storage drivers so the image will boot and be able to detect the storage devices automatically and allow a typical installation.

    This is overthinking things. You Boot to the Windows ISO and then simply click "Load driver" and have the driver on another USB.

    No one in the SMB should be doing anything else. Building bootable images with all the right drivers? waste of time. You should not be installing often enough to worry about that.

    You're not wrong - but I was trying to give the OP all the information.


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