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@magicmarker said in American Airlines:
@JaredBusch @scottalanmiller I'm shocked to hear you prefer Spirit. I've never flown it, but it's the butt of all jokes. The fact that both you picked Spirit really shines a new light on the airline for me.
All the people that I've had say that they dislike it either misunderstood it and didn't pay attention and/or are the same people that like paying extra for bundling because they perceive a deal that doesn't exist.
You know... like paying $200 for TV, Phones, and Internet together, when you can get them separately for $100. And when you point out that they are cheaper and better separate, they say "no, it's better because it is bundled" as if the bundling itself is the value. It's confusion through a standard marketing ploy, but it works.
Of people who actually pay attention and use Spirit as intended, never had someone have a bad experience that I've spoken with. Some still don't prefer it, and everyone has their preferences, but I've been super happy with them.
One MAJOR caveat... no Spirit flights have entertainment. It's bring your own. For me, I prefer that because I prefer the dark and quiet of an entertainment-less flight. but lots of people depend on watching provided movies.
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@JaredBusch said in American Airlines:
@scottalanmiller said in American Airlines:
@JasGot said in American Airlines:
@scottalanmiller said in American Airlines:
I consistently like AA better than Delta
Can you explain why? Also, do you fly FC when on larger airlines?
Not because of the seats of whatever, but because of overall customer service. Delta is by no small margin the worst airline I've every flown, anywhere in the world. And I fly all over. I've never had worse service, no one comes close. They absolutely hate their customers and will go out of their way to make sure you know it and are sorry for having been saddled with them.
For me, this experience is with AA.
Yeah, every airline sucks sometimes. Delta was downright evil with it, though, like giving vouchers to male passengers but not female passengers all standing in the same line, at the same time, in the same situation.
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@JaredBusch said in American Airlines:
@magicmarker said in American Airlines:
@JaredBusch @scottalanmiller I'm shocked to hear you prefer Spirit. I've never flown it, but it's the butt of all jokes. The fact that both you picked Spirit really shines a new light on the airline for me.
There is a lot of FUD out there because of stupid people. Mostly people that buy the super cheap rate and don't read the notice that if you don't pay for your checked bag online, you will pay an asston at the airport in a stupid tax.
Also, the notice is not at all small.
It's seriously in your face. And people try to fly with WAY bigger luggage than allowed all of the time. For those of us that fly constantly, we check sizes and weights for every airline and always plan around that. People who fly once in a while often overlook packing requirements and run into problems.
Spirit is actually super lenient. We just flew them with loads and loads of stuff for free. I carried on three paintings, a huge backpack, all kinds of bottles of alcohol all in the free personal items limit.
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@scottalanmiller said in American Airlines:
Oh man, those were good.
And FAST! We've had MANY trans-atlantic flights where the sustained speed was over 600mph. Nothing more exciting than arriving at FRA on a non-stop over an hour ahead of schedule! Ah, the sweetness of more than 150,000 lbs of thrust!
One of these fast flights was quite interesting, we boarded at Detroit Metro and proceeded to the tarmac where the cabin door was re-opened and one of those stairs on a truck pulled up. The captain said we were "waiting for a special delivery", then the University of Michigan Survival Flight helicopter landed right next to us, a small box was run up the stairs and placed in the coat closet in first class. The helicopter left, the truck pulled away, and the airport was cleared so we could leave next. My wife an I watched in amazement as we quickly made it to and stayed at 612 mph for over six hours. When we landed at FRA, we stopped right on the runway where another truck with stairs pulled up, another helicopter landed, and the box was taken away by Alpine Air Ambulance. It was so cool to experience that part of the organ donor process. We never did hear what the organ was or who it was for, but it had to be special!
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@scottalanmiller said in American Airlines:
Delta is by no small margin the worst airline I've every flown, anywhere in the world.
I'm sorry to hear.
We have always had great experiences with Delta. Domestic and International.
I'll say this though, when Northwest always used KLM for Europe, we LOVED KLM. Haven't flown KLM in years.
We started flying with Republic, who was bought by NorthWest, who was bought by Delta.
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@JasGot said in American Airlines:
And FAST! We've had MANY trans-atlantic flights where the sustained speed was over 600mph.
Remember the DC-9 Super 80!
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@scottalanmiller said in American Airlines:
Remember the DC-9 Super 80!
I do! One of the reasons I am so loyal to Delta, is because I was loyal to Northwest, because I was loyal to Republic. A groomsman's (in my wedding) father was a DC-9 pilot for all 3. He had a sweet route, nightly round trips from Detroit to Dulles.
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@JaredBusch said in American Airlines:
All U.S. carriers suck unless you pay for better seating. There is no real difference.
That has been my experience as well. I usually do end up paying for exit rows because I am fat
but it really doesnt matter.One thing I always do before I book is duckduckgo the seating chart of the aircraft. There are always notes about good seats to pick and ones not to pick.
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@scottalanmiller said in American Airlines:
@JasGot said in American Airlines:
@scottalanmiller said in American Airlines:
I consistently like AA better than Delta
Can you explain why? Also, do you fly FC when on larger airlines?
Not because of the seats of whatever, but because of overall customer service. Delta is by no small margin the worst airline I've every flown, anywhere in the world. And I fly all over. I've never had worse service, no one comes close. They absolutely hate their customers and will go out of their way to make sure you know it and are sorry for having been saddled with them. I would literally prefer a bare bones airline over Delta FC because how comfy the seat is doesn't make any difference when they sell it to someone else and leave you at the gate, even when you are on time.
I don't fly FC, don't see the value in it. If it was free, sure. But it's not, so ... why?
Sometimes I think my parents and I are the only people in the world who haven't had a bad Delta experience :P.
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@EddieJennings said in American Airlines:
@scottalanmiller said in American Airlines:
@JasGot said in American Airlines:
@scottalanmiller said in American Airlines:
I consistently like AA better than Delta
Can you explain why? Also, do you fly FC when on larger airlines?
Not because of the seats of whatever, but because of overall customer service. Delta is by no small margin the worst airline I've every flown, anywhere in the world. And I fly all over. I've never had worse service, no one comes close. They absolutely hate their customers and will go out of their way to make sure you know it and are sorry for having been saddled with them. I would literally prefer a bare bones airline over Delta FC because how comfy the seat is doesn't make any difference when they sell it to someone else and leave you at the gate, even when you are on time.
I don't fly FC, don't see the value in it. If it was free, sure. But it's not, so ... why?
Sometimes I think my parents and I are the only people in the world who haven't had a bad Delta experience :P.
I've never had a bad Delta experience as @scottalanmiller complains about. Had normal flight issues with all carriers I have ever flown on regularly.
US big three for me is Delta -> United -> AA
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@JaredBusch said in American Airlines:
Southwest is not considered because of airport restriction in Chicago. Also I hate their fucking cattle stalls. I want a specific seat.
Never had a "bad" experience with them, but never a good one, either. Here in Dallas they are consistently the most expensive carrier, which is BS considering what a terrible experience their cattle calls are. I've totally written them off as they are always twice the cost of anyone else. Literally anyone. They are my local airport, too. Really sucks that they are so bad cost wise and with how they handle passengers. The crew and flights were always good the few times I could afford to use them.
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@EddieJennings said in American Airlines:
@scottalanmiller said in American Airlines:
@JasGot said in American Airlines:
@scottalanmiller said in American Airlines:
I consistently like AA better than Delta
Can you explain why? Also, do you fly FC when on larger airlines?
Not because of the seats of whatever, but because of overall customer service. Delta is by no small margin the worst airline I've every flown, anywhere in the world. And I fly all over. I've never had worse service, no one comes close. They absolutely hate their customers and will go out of their way to make sure you know it and are sorry for having been saddled with them. I would literally prefer a bare bones airline over Delta FC because how comfy the seat is doesn't make any difference when they sell it to someone else and leave you at the gate, even when you are on time.
I don't fly FC, don't see the value in it. If it was free, sure. But it's not, so ... why?
Sometimes I think my parents and I are the only people in the world who haven't had a bad Delta experience :P.
No airline is perfect - I'm sure I've had a bad Delta experience - but so bad as to have a memory about it. They are who I normally fly with these days.. though I still often go with whomever is cheapest.
As for flying FC - like 3 times in my life, never paid for it myself, not worth it.
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@scottalanmiller said in American Airlines:
@JaredBusch said in American Airlines:
Southwest is not considered because of airport restriction in Chicago. Also I hate their fucking cattle stalls. I want a specific seat.
Never had a "bad" experience with them, but never a good one, either. Here in Dallas they are consistently the most expensive carrier, which is BS considering what a terrible experience their cattle calls are. I've totally written them off as they are always twice the cost of anyone else. Literally anyone. They are my local airport, too. Really sucks that they are so bad cost wise and with how they handle passengers. The crew and flights were always good the few times I could afford to use them.
If you are a two checked bag person - SW definitely starts to make sense, otherwise, I'm with you - too damned expensive.
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@JasGot said in American Airlines:
Anyone fly AA in FC? I am contemplating using AA on my next flight, but have never flown with them before. The equipment is an A319 and I am interested in your opinion on comfort (seats, noise, etc), food, and in flight services. If you can compare to Delta (A320), that would be most helpful.
Thanks.
Have you checked out seatguru.com? I'm sure there are other too.
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/American_Airlines/American_Airlines_Airbus_A319.php
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@Pete-S
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@Dashrender said in American Airlines:
As for flying FC - like 3 times in my life, never paid for it myself, not worth it.
I enjoy the bigger seat, I enjoy the lie flat bed (Delta One), I appreciate the food choices, and I certainly like the extra personal attention. We haven't flown in anything but FC since November of '94. The price is not an issue; my happiness is. For these reasons it is worth it to me. I will admit, however, if price were an issue, I would probably not be in FC.
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@JasGot said in American Airlines:
@Dashrender said in American Airlines:
As for flying FC - like 3 times in my life, never paid for it myself, not worth it.
I enjoy the bigger seat, I enjoy the lie flat bed (Delta One), I appreciate the food choices, and I certainly like the extra personal attention. We haven't flown in anything but FC since November of '94. The price is not an issue; my happiness is. For these reasons it is worth it to me. I will admit, however, if price were an issue, I would probably not be in FC.
The price is not an issue - ya must be part of the 0.1%... FC is normally 3x a non FC seat inside the US - no clue outside. And international it's more like 10x or more.
There was a thread on here a few years ago that showed how FC on international paid for something like 60-70% of the income of the flight - and could easily be over 90% in some cases - just showing how much more FC costs over non FC.
If I flew FC, I'd have to limit myself to one trip a year instead of the 4-6 I typically take.
Would I enjoy the larger seat - sure, the food, the lie flat (international) of course - but at the cost of the rest of my entire vacation? nope.
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@JasGot said in American Airlines:
The price is not an issue; my happiness is.
I find the price of FC would make me unhappy. lol
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@scottalanmiller said in American Airlines:
@JasGot said in American Airlines:
The price is not an issue; my happiness is.
I find the price of FC would make me unhappy. lol
What kind of income would you have to have to flip that frown upside down?
I think If I made 3x what I do now - I might be able to pull it off, though because of taxes it might take 4-5...
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@JasGot said in American Airlines:
@Dashrender said in American Airlines:
As for flying FC - like 3 times in my life, never paid for it myself, not worth it.
The price is not an issue; my happiness is.
Must be nice. I would have to choose between a FC ticket or actually having a vacation.
