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    • wrx7m
      wrx7m @scottalanmiller last edited by wrx7m

      @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

      @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

      Order processing will stop completely. If no one has access to the ERP and other LOB apps we use, they can't do much of anything.

      Sure, but what does that really cost you? I've worked in a lot of factories and even at IBM this would have cost us almost nothing... because over the course of a few days or maybe a couple weeks we'd just run slightly faster and catch up.

      A single server outage is rarely more than a few hours, maybe a day at most. A second server, HA or just a second server, is to reduce that time from "several hours" to "minutes or maybe an hour tops." The average outage that HA protects against is actually just a few minutes. Full outages, like from total hardware failure, are crazy rare and if you are in a major city, part swaps are normally just a few hours.

      Add on to that the risk that the HA system itself might cause an outage and it gets harder to justify.

      We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

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      • wrx7m
        wrx7m @Dashrender last edited by

        @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

        My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

        No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

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        • Dashrender
          Dashrender @wrx7m last edited by

          @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

          @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

          My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

          No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

          LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

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          • wrx7m
            wrx7m @Dashrender last edited by

            @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

            @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

            @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

            My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

            No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

            LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

            I did have VCSA when that was a thing. It was discontinued and due to storage constraints, we had to move away from that. I am looking to do starwind on these though.

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            • Dashrender
              Dashrender @wrx7m last edited by

              @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

              @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

              @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

              @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

              My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

              No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

              LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

              I did have VCSA when that was a thing. It was discontinued and due to storage constraints, we had to move away from that. I am looking to do starwind on these though.

              What are you using for the HA setup? VMWare?

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              • wrx7m
                wrx7m @Dashrender last edited by

                @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

                No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

                LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

                I did have VCSA when that was a thing. It was discontinued and due to storage constraints, we had to move away from that. I am looking to do starwind on these though.

                What are you using for the HA setup? VMWare?

                I do use vmware for hypervisor and vcenter server, but doesn't starwind do HA?

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                • scottalanmiller
                  scottalanmiller @wrx7m last edited by

                  @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                  We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

                  What kind of window of flexibility do you have? Minutes, hours, half a day?

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                  • scottalanmiller
                    scottalanmiller @wrx7m last edited by

                    @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                    @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                    @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                    @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                    My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

                    No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

                    LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

                    I did have VCSA when that was a thing. It was discontinued and due to storage constraints, we had to move away from that. I am looking to do starwind on these though.

                    Only real way to go with two.

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                    • scottalanmiller
                      scottalanmiller @wrx7m last edited by

                      @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                      @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                      @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                      @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                      @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                      @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                      My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

                      No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

                      LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

                      I did have VCSA when that was a thing. It was discontinued and due to storage constraints, we had to move away from that. I am looking to do starwind on these though.

                      What are you using for the HA setup? VMWare?

                      I do use vmware for hypervisor and vcenter server, but doesn't starwind do HA?

                      They do. Or a portion of it, technically. Requires both Starwind and VMware together to make it work in that situation.

                      Move away from VMware and you get HA at the platform layer for free.

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                      • wrx7m
                        wrx7m @scottalanmiller last edited by

                        @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                        @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                        @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                        @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                        My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

                        No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

                        LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

                        I did have VCSA when that was a thing. It was discontinued and due to storage constraints, we had to move away from that. I am looking to do starwind on these though.

                        What are you using for the HA setup? VMWare?

                        I do use vmware for hypervisor and vcenter server, but doesn't starwind do HA?

                        They do. Or a portion of it, technically. Requires both Starwind and VMware together to make it work in that situation.

                        Move away from VMware and you get HA at the platform layer for free.

                        Hmmm. What vmware tier do you have to have for that to function?

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                        • scottalanmiller
                          scottalanmiller @wrx7m last edited by

                          @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                          @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                          @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                          @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                          @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                          @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                          @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                          My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

                          No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

                          LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

                          I did have VCSA when that was a thing. It was discontinued and due to storage constraints, we had to move away from that. I am looking to do starwind on these though.

                          What are you using for the HA setup? VMWare?

                          I do use vmware for hypervisor and vcenter server, but doesn't starwind do HA?

                          They do. Or a portion of it, technically. Requires both Starwind and VMware together to make it work in that situation.

                          Move away from VMware and you get HA at the platform layer for free.

                          Hmmm. What vmware tier do you have to have for that to function?

                          At a minimum, Essentials Plus. Not sure if more is needed or not. Lacking basic features like HA without paying huge premiums is one of the biggest reasons to avoid VMware. Their tech is great, but all the important bits that are great are unaffordable. You don't even get support until you get to the expensive tiers!

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                          • wrx7m
                            wrx7m @scottalanmiller last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                            @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                            We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

                            What kind of window of flexibility do you have? Minutes, hours, half a day?

                            Probably hours. Again, I am ball-parking based on my 9-year experience with the company.

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                            • wrx7m
                              wrx7m @scottalanmiller last edited by wrx7m

                              @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                              @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                              @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                              @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                              @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                              @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                              @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                              @Dashrender said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                              My question is - do you have actual HA because you have two servers?

                              No, just having 2 servers doesn't mean it is HA.

                              LOL - so - do you have HA? or do you just have two servers cause of the 'eggs in one basket' thinking?

                              I did have VCSA when that was a thing. It was discontinued and due to storage constraints, we had to move away from that. I am looking to do starwind on these though.

                              What are you using for the HA setup? VMWare?

                              I do use vmware for hypervisor and vcenter server, but doesn't starwind do HA?

                              They do. Or a portion of it, technically. Requires both Starwind and VMware together to make it work in that situation.

                              Move away from VMware and you get HA at the platform layer for free.

                              Hmmm. What vmware tier do you have to have for that to function?

                              At a minimum, Essentials Plus. Not sure if more is needed or not. Lacking basic features like HA without paying huge premiums is one of the biggest reasons to avoid VMware. Their tech is great, but all the important bits that are great are unaffordable. You don't even get support until you get to the expensive tiers!

                              Cool. Already have Essentials Plus. Support for 6 sockets is about a grand a year. Maybe a tiny bit more.

                              Edit. Just looked up the invoice for this year - $1109, includes support.

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                              • JaredBusch
                                JaredBusch @wrx7m last edited by

                                @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

                                What kind of window of flexibility do you have? Minutes, hours, half a day?

                                Probably hours. Again, I am ball-parking based on my 9-year experience with the company.

                                Hours means no need for anything more than 4 hours same day response time from Dell.

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                                • wrx7m
                                  wrx7m @JaredBusch last edited by wrx7m

                                  @JaredBusch said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                  We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

                                  What kind of window of flexibility do you have? Minutes, hours, half a day?

                                  Probably hours. Again, I am ball-parking based on my 9-year experience with the company.

                                  Hours means no need for anything more than 4 hours same day response time from Dell.

                                  Several years ago, I experienced Dell being out of stock of something and 4-hrs turned into next afternoon. How often does that happen?

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                                  • scottalanmiller
                                    scottalanmiller @wrx7m last edited by

                                    @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                    Edit. Just looked up the invoice for this year - $1109, includes support.

                                    It's not horrific, but $555 per host per year is a lot of money compared to free with everyone else. So perspective. Not a ton of money on one hand, but infinitely more than the alternative.

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                                    • scottalanmiller
                                      scottalanmiller @wrx7m last edited by

                                      @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                      @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                      @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                      We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

                                      What kind of window of flexibility do you have? Minutes, hours, half a day?

                                      Probably hours. Again, I am ball-parking based on my 9-year experience with the company.

                                      Hours means no need for anything more than 4 hours same day response time from Dell.

                                      Several years ago, I experienced Dell being out of stock of something and 4-hrs turned into next afternoon. How often does that happen?

                                      Super rare. Never seen it happen. At least not without a comparable part being available.

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                                        wrx7m @scottalanmiller last edited by

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                        @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                        We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

                                        What kind of window of flexibility do you have? Minutes, hours, half a day?

                                        Probably hours. Again, I am ball-parking based on my 9-year experience with the company.

                                        Hours means no need for anything more than 4 hours same day response time from Dell.

                                        Several years ago, I experienced Dell being out of stock of something and 4-hrs turned into next afternoon. How often does that happen?

                                        Super rare. Never seen it happen. At least not without a comparable part being available.

                                        That's good to know.

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                                        • scottalanmiller
                                          scottalanmiller @JaredBusch last edited by

                                          @JaredBusch said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                          @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                          @wrx7m said in Comparing Server CPU Capabilities?:

                                          We do 1000s of shipments from Amazon proper and for Amazon marketplace. If we don't ship on time, we lose prime badging and lower reviews. That equates to eventual loss of sales and even being shutdown by Amazon.

                                          What kind of window of flexibility do you have? Minutes, hours, half a day?

                                          Probably hours. Again, I am ball-parking based on my 9-year experience with the company.

                                          Hours means no need for anything more than 4 hours same day response time from Dell.

                                          If you are like us, you can get essentially anything from HPE in under two hours!

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                                          • wrx7m
                                            wrx7m last edited by

                                            Well, I will show my boss (CFO) the costs and he can decide what he wants to do.

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