My Weekend Linux Misadventure



  • Well Saturday was the day, I was going to install Ubuntu and switch over to Linux!
    I got my new flash drive in, downloaded Ubuntu, used Rufus to make a bootable drive and off I went.

    Ubuntu installed just fine, everything went smooth, 19.04 runs great!
    I got steam installed, signed into Firefox (for syncing), Google, downloaded some apps.

    Then...I tried to launch a game that was ported over to Linux, Total War Warhammer 2.
    The game mentioned my CPU having a governor restricting it. So I followed their guide to enable performance mode, no problem!
    Fired up the game again, "Your video card is not supported or drivers are not installed" something like that.
    I thought, oh no problem.
    Downloaded the Nvidia drivers, followed their instructions, they say just double click to run the file, so I do.

    Then, I encounter an error.
    I follow a guide to install the driver, encounter another error. Delete all Nvidia everything and started all over, another error...and again...and again.
    Errors regarding DKMS (or whatever). At some point the driver was verified as installed, game still threw the warning that no graphics driver is detected. (Also mentioned installing Vulkan drivers after the first error)

    So with the Nvidia driver as my default and my anger rising. After 5 hours of trying, I give up.
    So I install the LTS 18.04 Ubuntu.
    Long story short, I had a much worse time with this version...Driver installed successfully after several guides and hoops, but then I got stuck in 800x600, which I then tried to fix, to no avail.

    I then downloaded Fedora and installed it, wiped Ubuntu from the machine.
    Several hours later of trying to install Nvidia drivers, no luck.

    Back on Windows 10...
    Mission Failed.



  • Wasn't someone saying last week that nvidia on Linux still sucked? AMD/ATI was better?



  • @Dashrender No idea lol. I was seriously bummed out though.

    OMG especially after I installed Fedora, damn that OS runs silky smooth whew.



  • Scott and others were talking about some other Linux OS that was specifically designed with Windows like APIs for games that hadn't been ported - though I don't recall the name of it.





  • For Ubuntu, Nvidia drivers can be installed by going to softare & updates application and then click on the additional drivers tab.

    With Fedora Workstation you can enable the third party repositories. With the option to enable rpm fusion repo for Nvidia drivers.



  • @black3dynamite said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    For Ubuntu, Nvidia drivers can be installed by going to softare & updates application and then click on the additional drivers tab.

    With Fedora Workstation you can enable the third party repositories. With the option to enable rpm fusion repo for Nvidia drivers.

    With Ubuntu, I tried all of that first thing, the game still reported, "No driver found" or "Vulkan drivers need installed". This was after rebooting of course just to rule that question out.
    I tried following several different guides after reinstalling and trying over again, no luck. The installs kept failing at different points. One specific point I can recall right now was building the DKMS Kernel Module.
    Another issue it kept talking about the Noveau driver being installed so the install can't continue. Found a guide to disable and blacklist that driver, rebooted, installed nvidia driver again, install failed, but completed. Driver shows up under "Proprietary drivers in use", there were three nvidia drivers, game reported with each (after rebooting when switching) that no driver was found for display.

    It went from fun and exciting to incredibly frustrating.

    Now with Fedora, I did not know how to install the driver through the GUI at all and didn't know that was an option, I followed a recently released guide for installing the driver, switching to level 3 runtime, navigating to the driver, I followed every command and ran the install....Only to get an access denied error. I was running as 'su'...
    So I ran the install as my logged in user credentials after rebooting, that worked. (Oh it only worked after running chmod -x on the driver a second time).
    driver went through, built DKMS module, but it failed....No specific error, it just said it failed.
    Since I blacklisted the Noveau driver already, I'm guessing, switching to runtime 5 did not produce a GUI, so I was stuck with just a command line.

    Reinstalled Fedora, downloaded Windows 10 and reinstalled.

    I am absolutely willing to try again, but perhaps when I have more time, I spent at least 12 hours trying to get my machine game ready.



  • @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @black3dynamite said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    For Ubuntu, Nvidia drivers can be installed by going to softare & updates application and then click on the additional drivers tab.

    With Fedora Workstation you can enable the third party repositories. With the option to enable rpm fusion repo for Nvidia drivers.

    With Ubuntu, I tried all of that first thing, the game still reported, "No driver found" or "Vulkan drivers need installed". This was after rebooting of course just to rule that question out.
    I tried following several different guides after reinstalling and trying over again, no luck. The installs kept failing at different points. One specific point I can recall right now was building the DKMS Kernel Module.
    Another issue it kept talking about the Noveau driver being installed so the install can't continue. Found a guide to disable and blacklist that driver, rebooted, installed nvidia driver again, install failed, but completed. Driver shows up under "Proprietary drivers in use", there were three nvidia drivers, game reported with each (after rebooting when switching) that no driver was found for display.

    It went from fun and exciting to incredibly frustrating.

    Now with Fedora, I did not know how to install the driver through the GUI at all and didn't know that was an option, I followed a recently released guide for installing the driver, switching to level 3 runtime, navigating to the driver, I followed every command and ran the install....Only to get an access denied error. I was running as 'su'...
    So I ran the install as my logged in user credentials after rebooting, that worked. (Oh it only worked after running chmod -x on the driver a second time).
    driver went through, built DKMS module, but it failed....No specific error, it just said it failed.
    Since I blacklisted the Noveau driver already, I'm guessing, switching to runtime 5 did not produce a GUI, so I was stuck with just a command line.

    Reinstalled Fedora, downloaded Windows 10 and reinstalled.

    I am absolutely willing to try again, but perhaps when I have more time, I spent at least 12 hours trying to get my machine game ready.

    Just a guess but was secure boot enabled while trying to get your Ubuntu/Fedora and Nvidia drivers to work. I've only really game on a PC with AMD graphics cards so I tend to stick with the open source that is already provided.



  • @black3dynamite UEFI is enabled and I did get numerous prompts to set a password for the linux version of secure boot.
    This happened nearly every time I would install or reinstall a driver.

    I've never messed with the bios on this particular laptop, never needed to.
    But do you think or suspect secure boot being an issue?



  • @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @black3dynamite UEFI is enabled and I did get numerous prompts to set a password for the linux version of secure boot.
    This happened nearly every time I would install or reinstall a driver.

    I've never messed with the bios on this particular laptop, never needed to.
    But do you think or suspect secure boot being an issue?

    I don't know. Just noticed this
    https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/install-nvidia-driver-ubuntu-18-04
    345b8077-26da-480a-8b10-5ffd656807dd-image.png

    And another thing I forgot to asked. With your Fedora install, were you using Fedora Workstation (GNOME3)? Because by default it uses Wayland instead Xorg for its display server. And from what I've read tell Nvidia doesn't play nice when using Wayland.



  • @black3dynamite said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @black3dynamite UEFI is enabled and I did get numerous prompts to set a password for the linux version of secure boot.
    This happened nearly every time I would install or reinstall a driver.

    I've never messed with the bios on this particular laptop, never needed to.
    But do you think or suspect secure boot being an issue?

    I don't know. Just noticed this
    https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/install-nvidia-driver-ubuntu-18-04
    345b8077-26da-480a-8b10-5ffd656807dd-image.png

    And another thing I forgot to asked. With your Fedora install, were you using Fedora Workstation (GNOME3)? Because by default it uses Wayland instead Xorg for its display server. And from what I've read tell Nvidia doesn't play nice when using Wayland.

    Damn. Wish I saw that sooner. I installed 19.04 first though, but I need to try that next time.
    I'll disable Secure boot and try again one of these days.

    I used this: https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/
    Workstation 30



  • @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @black3dynamite said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @black3dynamite UEFI is enabled and I did get numerous prompts to set a password for the linux version of secure boot.
    This happened nearly every time I would install or reinstall a driver.

    I've never messed with the bios on this particular laptop, never needed to.
    But do you think or suspect secure boot being an issue?

    I don't know. Just noticed this
    https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/install-nvidia-driver-ubuntu-18-04
    345b8077-26da-480a-8b10-5ffd656807dd-image.png

    And another thing I forgot to asked. With your Fedora install, were you using Fedora Workstation (GNOME3)? Because by default it uses Wayland instead Xorg for its display server. And from what I've read tell Nvidia doesn't play nice when using Wayland.

    Damn. Wish I saw that sooner. I installed 19.04 first though, but I need to try that next time.
    I'll disable Secure boot and try again one of these days.

    I used this: https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/
    Workstation 30

    It looks like they updated the installer to no longer ask about the desktop experience.

    I have it installing now, but I assume it will be Gnome3 / Wayland.
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    To get the Cinnamon download, you have to go to: https://spins.fedoraproject.org



  • Install completed, and yes, that ISO goes straight to GNOME.
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  • Unlike the bastardized step child that is Ubuntu, the point of Fedora is that it is a clean FOSS install. If you need to put anything on it that is not truly FOSS, you have to add an external repository.

    For example, you cannot even decode HTML5 because of FOSS concerns with the licenses.

    The most common, and best IMO, solution is to add the RPM Fusion repo: https://rpmfusion.org/Configuration



  • For the record, I jsut checked and the NetInstall ISO lets you pick your desktop. THough defaults to GNOME (simply called "Workstation").

    Click on Software Selection.
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    And you are presented with options.
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    Also, always use the NetInstall because why download shit twice? Once to download all the old packages as of the date of the ISO, and then once as soon as it is installed, you will need to run updates.

    Instead the NetInstall just downloads current at time of install.

    Oh look I wrote a pseudo guide...
    https://www.republicofit.com/topic/15907/setting-up-a-cinnamon-based-fedora-desktop



  • @JaredBusch said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    Unlike the bastardized step child that is Ubuntu

    LOL



  • @black3dynamite said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @JaredBusch said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    Unlike the bastardized step child that is Ubuntu

    LOL

    Well, it is..... According to me.

    Some day something might happen the requires me to switch lots of things to Ubuntu, but I doubt it.

    Yes, my feelings towards Ubuntu are from when they didn't do thigns as smooth as they do now.





  • @wirestyle22 Uh oh...lol



  • @JaredBusch said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @black3dynamite said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @JaredBusch said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    Unlike the bastardized step child that is Ubuntu

    LOL

    Well, it is..... According to me.

    Some day something might happen the requires me to switch lots of things to Ubuntu, but I doubt it.

    Yes, my feelings towards Ubuntu are from when they didn't do thigns as smooth as they do now.

    Yeah whenever I try again, soon, I definitely want to try it with Fedora. Just seemed so clean and fast.
    I'll disable secure boot as well.
    Thank you for your input, I have yet to use Cinnamon, though I've tried many others.
    Hah, if I have issues with the damned driver, I'll post here.
    No matter what, I'd love to try something new, different and as customizable as Linux full-time. Windows is great, but as we all are well aware, it's bloated. Not to mention telemetry and Microsoft selling our information.



  • @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    So I install the LTS 18.04 Ubuntu.
    Long story short, I had a much worse time with this version...

    As is expected. That's two versions old and doesn't get treated as a first class citizen. It exists only for people addicted to not staying updated so gets fewer updates and less support and no official support (per Canonical themselves.) "Supported" here just means that they patch it and if you pay for support they will help you get to the actual supported version and help you then. Going backwards in versions is realistically never a good way to have a good experience, every thing from drivers to features will get worse.



  • @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    Fired up the game again, "Your video card is not supported or drivers are not installed" something like that.
    I thought, oh no problem.

    Did you allow Ubuntu to deploy third party packages during the install process? It should have picked up the Nvidia stuff at that time.



  • @scottalanmiller said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    Fired up the game again, "Your video card is not supported or drivers are not installed" something like that.
    I thought, oh no problem.

    Did you allow Ubuntu to deploy third party packages during the install process? It should have picked up the Nvidia stuff at that time.

    Yes! I followed what you said and ticked the box.
    It sucks, I tried really hard and for a long while to get this going.
    I'm disappointed, but I'll get this working eventually. It's just on my main computer so...I wanted to play some Warhammer badly haha.



  • @Dashrender said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    Wasn't someone saying last week that nvidia on Linux still sucked? AMD/ATI was better?

    Sucked and don't work aren't the same, though.



  • @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @scottalanmiller said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    Fired up the game again, "Your video card is not supported or drivers are not installed" something like that.
    I thought, oh no problem.

    Did you allow Ubuntu to deploy third party packages during the install process? It should have picked up the Nvidia stuff at that time.

    Yes! I followed what you said and ticked the box.
    It sucks, I tried really hard and for a long while to get this going.
    I'm disappointed, but I'll get this working eventually. It's just on my main computer so...I wanted to play some Warhammer badly haha.

    Breaking things is just a part of the learning process. It's helpful



  • Just to throw another couple of options in, if you're looking at other flavors of Linux, consider Manjaro and Sabayon, they're both rolling release and based on well-known projects (Arch and Gentoo respectively). I havn't tried gaming with either one but thye're both supposed to have support for the closed source drivers out of the box as well as Steam and playsonlinux (wine front end) support.

    I was a long-time Linux Mint user (built on Ubuntu's LTS base) but have changed to Manjaro Cinnamon and XFCE (depending on the system's power)



  • @Dashrender said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    Scott and others were talking about some other Linux OS that was specifically designed with Windows like APIs for games that hadn't been ported - though I don't recall the name of it.

    SteamOS is really just Ubuntu with Steam built in.

    That doesn't address drivers, though.

    And the Proton compatibility layer is available universally, it is built into the Steam agent.



  • @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    Another issue it kept talking about the Noveau driver being installed so the install can't continue. Found a guide to disable and blacklist that driver, rebooted, installed nvidia driver again, install failed, but completed. Driver shows up under "Proprietary drivers in use", there were three nvidia drivers, game reported with each (after rebooting when switching) that no driver was found for display.

    Noveau is an open source Nvidia driver replacement. If it is there, the commercial Nvidia drives can't be installed. Has to be one or the other.



  • @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    Damn. Wish I saw that sooner. I installed 19.04 first though, but I need to try that next time.

    Don't look at old versions at all, keep solely to current. If current doesn't work, and somehow old ones do, you are screwed anyway long term.



  • @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @scottalanmiller said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    @kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:

    Fired up the game again, "Your video card is not supported or drivers are not installed" something like that.
    I thought, oh no problem.

    Did you allow Ubuntu to deploy third party packages during the install process? It should have picked up the Nvidia stuff at that time.

    Yes! I followed what you said and ticked the box.
    It sucks, I tried really hard and for a long while to get this going.
    I'm disappointed, but I'll get this working eventually. It's just on my main computer so...I wanted to play some Warhammer badly haha.

    That really sucks. Both Ubuntu and Fedora have pretty consistently worked for me out of the box for gaming systems. And on Nvidia too.


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