Starting a job search



  • @RojoLoco said in Starting a job search:

    Seems like a numbers game (like online dating):

    Youtube Video



  • @Dashrender said in Starting a job search:

    @RojoLoco said in Starting a job search:

    If my girlfriend's job search is any indication (banking/mortgage industry), there are lots of jobs that don't advertise the possibility of remote work, but that have it available. And it's also been a numbers game, in that she has applied to dozens and dozens of jobs in order to get a handful of phone/in person interviews, and lots of those turn out to be bullshit. Seems like a numbers game (like online dating): apply to all the things, get a response 10% of the time, 10% of the responses are remotely legit jobs. Just her experience, it could be vastly different for your search for IT jobs, but it's something to consider.

    Scott claimed that something like 80% of jobs posted are fake (maybe it was a much higher amount than that). That they are just resume gathering posts with nothing really behind them.

    Talked about that with @mary this morning, because she was trying to figure out the math behind an impossible job posting (temp work, huge expertise, no way to support the work, almost no pay, etc.)

    Youtube Video



  • @kamidon said in Starting a job search:

    @Dashrender Ugh, I have experience with that crap. You see a job post, click to apply, go through a stupid sign up process and end up being on some janky looking job finding website that noone has ever heard of.

    I've been to entirely fake in person interviews before. The value to fake job listings is really high.



  • Work It Daily..... "If a job looks questionable, it's fake"

    Youtube Video

    They made this a year after my channel did, and pretty much repeats exactly what I say.



  • @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    Your best bet is to get 3 or 4 recruiters to look for you. Remember, you dont have to accept or agree to anything. Let them help you with your search. You may find them sending you unwanted stuff, but thats OK because they are somewhat of a filter

    Hmm, I haven't had much luck with recruiters biting



  • @flaxking said in Starting a job search:

    @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    Your best bet is to get 3 or 4 recruiters to look for you. Remember, you dont have to accept or agree to anything. Let them help you with your search. You may find them sending you unwanted stuff, but thats OK because they are somewhat of a filter

    Hmm, I haven't had much luck with recruiters biting

    That's surprising. Especially now with the market being so good. It's hard to hire, at least in the US. Recruiters, you would think, would be desperate for candidates.



  • @flaxking said in Starting a job search:

    I see quite a few remote jobs that I think will just accept US applicants but they don't clarify in the posting.

    Every job listing that I get doesn't list a city or state, let alone country. That "location" needs to be a top specification is surprisingly something recruiters haven't thought of.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Starting a job search:

    @flaxking said in Starting a job search:

    @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    Your best bet is to get 3 or 4 recruiters to look for you. Remember, you dont have to accept or agree to anything. Let them help you with your search. You may find them sending you unwanted stuff, but thats OK because they are somewhat of a filter

    Hmm, I haven't had much luck with recruiters biting

    That's surprising. Especially now with the market being so good. It's hard to hire, at least in the US. Recruiters, you would think, would be desperate for candidates.

    Recruiters are going crazy right now in US. You can't avoid them if you keep your resume somewhat current.



  • @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starting a job search:

    @flaxking said in Starting a job search:

    @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    Your best bet is to get 3 or 4 recruiters to look for you. Remember, you dont have to accept or agree to anything. Let them help you with your search. You may find them sending you unwanted stuff, but thats OK because they are somewhat of a filter

    Hmm, I haven't had much luck with recruiters biting

    That's surprising. Especially now with the market being so good. It's hard to hire, at least in the US. Recruiters, you would think, would be desperate for candidates.

    Recruiters are going crazy right now in US. You can't avoid them if you keep your resume somewhat current.

    For sure.



  • LinkedIn has been hugely successful for me. I've had recruiters from Google, Facebook, Amazon, F5 and may others reach out to me directly for roles. Turn on your setting Let recruiters know you’re open to opportunities and hopefully that should trigger a bunch of opportunities.



  • @larsen161 said in Starting a job search:

    Turn on your setting Let recruiters know you’re open to opportunities and hopefully that should trigger a bunch of opportunities.

    You know all the tricks today. Had no idea that that feature existed.



  • Now if someone on LinkedIn would actually use your location or location preferences, it might actually become useful.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Starting a job search:

    Now if someone on LinkedIn would actually use your location or location preferences, it might actually become useful.

    I have had a much better success with legit recruiters on LI then any other platform by far.



  • @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starting a job search:

    Now if someone on LinkedIn would actually use your location or location preferences, it might actually become useful.

    I have had a much better success with legit recruiters on LI then any other platform by far.

    So far it's been horrible for me. Loads of scammy crap, sometimes from LinkedIn itself. I'm to a point where any contact on LI = spam, the nature of coming from there to me means it isn't legit.



  • The problem with LI is that it is in-discriminant contact. Maybe you can turn on that "open to being contacted" option, but without it, you are still flooded with spam communications.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Starting a job search:

    The problem with LI is that it is in-discriminant contact. Maybe you can turn on that "open to being contacted" option, but without it, you are still flooded with spam communications.

    Recruiters have to pay for premium before they can contact you. If someone is a connection (that you accepted), they can contact you for free.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Starting a job search:

    @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starting a job search:

    Now if someone on LinkedIn would actually use your location or location preferences, it might actually become useful.

    I have had a much better success with legit recruiters on LI then any other platform by far.

    So far it's been horrible for me. Loads of scammy crap, sometimes from LinkedIn itself. I'm to a point where any contact on LI = spam, the nature of coming from there to me means it isn't legit.

    Did you just accept anyone as connections? Because otherwise they cant contact you.



  • @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starting a job search:

    @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starting a job search:

    Now if someone on LinkedIn would actually use your location or location preferences, it might actually become useful.

    I have had a much better success with legit recruiters on LI then any other platform by far.

    So far it's been horrible for me. Loads of scammy crap, sometimes from LinkedIn itself. I'm to a point where any contact on LI = spam, the nature of coming from there to me means it isn't legit.

    Did you just accept anyone as connections? Because otherwise they cant contact you.

    Generally, because of the nature of being me, I have no idea who I might know or not, and legit recruiters looking to connect like LinkedIn is claimed to be for, is perfectly fine - and lots of them do that, connect and never harass me.

    I have loads claim to be business people and then try to do sales or something. I report everyone, but it's such a spam heavy platform with apparently very little filtering.



  • @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    Recruiters have to pay for premium before they can contact you.

    This is what makes LI so bad... "pay to spam" is a terrible, terrible business model. It means anyone contacting you is a scumbag because they paid for the right to bypass the spam filters!



  • @scottalanmiller said in Starting a job search:

    @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starting a job search:

    @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starting a job search:

    Now if someone on LinkedIn would actually use your location or location preferences, it might actually become useful.

    I have had a much better success with legit recruiters on LI then any other platform by far.

    So far it's been horrible for me. Loads of scammy crap, sometimes from LinkedIn itself. I'm to a point where any contact on LI = spam, the nature of coming from there to me means it isn't legit.

    Did you just accept anyone as connections? Because otherwise they cant contact you.

    Generally, because of the nature of being me, I have no idea who I might know or not, and legit recruiters looking to connect like LinkedIn is claimed to be for, is perfectly fine - and lots of them do that, connect and never harass me.

    I have loads claim to be business people and then try to do sales or something. I report everyone, but it's such a spam heavy platform with apparently very little filtering.

    So it works like this :

    Filtering connections is on you. So there is no pay wall if someone sends you a request and you accept. It's your job to take 10 seconds to look at their profile and see if they are legit.

    If they are not a connection, they can send you a paid request which actually cuts down on spam. You won't get messages about jobs in Timbuktu as they are limited to how many people they can message. It makes them choose people to that may be a better fit



  • Messages are $4 each for the lite plan. Scammers can't afford that.

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  • @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    Messages are $4 each for the lite plan. Scammers can't afford that.

    Anyone paying that is a scammer. That it exists and is used proves that paying to spam pays off. It might way off way, way more for LinkedIn than for anyone else, but that people keep doing it, proves that paying to spam is seen as worthwhile.



  • @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    Filtering connections is on you. So there is no pay wall if someone sends you a request and you accept. It's your job to take 10 seconds to look at their profile and see if they are legit.

    Doesn't really work that way. No way to look at a profile and know who is and isn't legit. I do look at the profiles, but since LI has no authentication system, there is no way to know. Heck, tons of people try to add me while claiming to work for me!



  • @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    If they are not a connection, they can send you a paid request which actually cuts down on spam. You won't get messages about jobs in Timbuktu as they are limited to how many people they can message. It makes them choose people to that may be a better fit

    This doesn't add up, since people do get through to me this way, too, and never, ever is it for a local job or one that I'd consider the location. So this theory doesn't make sense, no one getting through to me, at least, is doing so and considering the location.



  • Also, LinkedIn, AFAIK, doesn't let you specify job locations. If it does, I'd love to know where as that would make it actually kinda useful, but rather only shows where you live or list yourself. So if, for example, you want to look at jobs in Berlin or Paris, I think you can only list one or the other and hope recruiters pay attention to that, which makes no sense.

    On mine I only list the city and zip that I live in. But every recruiter is looking for NYC or Seattle. Never something near me.



  • Have you actually used LI in the past year? Because none of what you're saying is making any sense.

    Of course you set your zip code, which gives your location. Everyone's profile has a location

    Any connection request allows you to view their profile before accepting. It does show a limited view, but that bore shows their name, location, job title, and job history. Some Indian kid who's 17 and says IT training associate, is going to try to sell you training. You just don't accept them.



  • @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    Have you actually used LI in the past year? Because none of what you're saying is making any sense.

    All the time, including today.



  • @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    Of course you set your zip code, which gives your location. Everyone's profile has a location

    Right, and THAT is what results in all recruiters doing things that aren't local. My zip code doesn't seem to make anything change with recruiters.



  • @IRJ said in Starting a job search:

    Any connection request allows you to view their profile before accepting. It does show a limited view, but that bore shows their name, location, job title, and job history. Some Indian kid who's 17 and says IT training associate, is going to try to sell you training. You just don't accept them

    Problem is it is people with US companies and lots of experience that connect and then 10% of them turn out to be scamming sales people. But tons of them are legit just IT or business people making connections.



  • @larsen161 said in Starting a job search:

    LinkedIn has been hugely successful for me. I've had recruiters from Google, Facebook, Amazon, F5 and may others reach out to me directly for roles. Turn on your setting Let recruiters know you’re open to opportunities and hopefully that should trigger a bunch of opportunities.

    I did that, set as casually looking. Does setting as actively looking make a difference?


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