POS recommendation for a small bar

[Dashrender]

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

Aloha would be an amazing fit, it's extremely easy to use. Now the only issue is , it legacy so you have to have a server, and then the POS terminals,

Did you ever tell us if the 'server' was only providing file and print services to the clients, because if it's anything more than that, it likely legally requires Windows Server license (and associated CALs).

This has been worked out between Microsoft and NCR/POS dealers since Aloha was started.
as I've learned recently in discussions online with other POS providers.

Is that in writing somewhere? Somewhere Official?

To my knowledge, yes.
With NCR (the Owner of Aloha)

Well that doesn't get the customer who's using it off the hook... that information should be provided that documentation when they purchase aloha - unless it's a rental only type situation, then perhaps, the liability would solely be upon NCR.

[WrCombs]

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

Aloha would be an amazing fit, it's extremely easy to use. Now the only issue is , it legacy so you have to have a server, and then the POS terminals,

Did you ever tell us if the 'server' was only providing file and print services to the clients, because if it's anything more than that, it likely legally requires Windows Server license (and associated CALs).

But to answer the question - The server shares files from back to front.

This isn't really an answer - shares them how? via SMB? via a DB? etc.

older versions use SMB
newer versions use DB (MySQL Dbs) to store and then it uploads to the front of house trhough SMB ( I believe)

[WrCombs]

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

Aloha would be an amazing fit, it's extremely easy to use. Now the only issue is , it legacy so you have to have a server, and then the POS terminals,

Did you ever tell us if the 'server' was only providing file and print services to the clients, because if it's anything more than that, it likely legally requires Windows Server license (and associated CALs).

This has been worked out between Microsoft and NCR/POS dealers since Aloha was started.
as I've learned recently in discussions online with other POS providers.

Is that in writing somewhere? Somewhere Official?

To my knowledge, yes.
With NCR (the Owner of Aloha)

Well that doesn't get the customer who's using it off the hook... that information should be provided that documentation when they purchase aloha - unless it's a rental only type situation, then perhaps, the liability would solely be upon NCR.

Like I said, I dont know the full details, but this has been worked out between Microsoft and NCR for years.

[Dashrender]

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

Aloha would be an amazing fit, it's extremely easy to use. Now the only issue is , it legacy so you have to have a server, and then the POS terminals,

Did you ever tell us if the 'server' was only providing file and print services to the clients, because if it's anything more than that, it likely legally requires Windows Server license (and associated CALs).

This has been worked out between Microsoft and NCR/POS dealers since Aloha was started.
as I've learned recently in discussions online with other POS providers.

Is that in writing somewhere? Somewhere Official?

To my knowledge, yes.
With NCR (the Owner of Aloha)

Well that doesn't get the customer who's using it off the hook... that information should be provided that documentation when they purchase aloha - unless it's a rental only type situation, then perhaps, the liability would solely be upon NCR.

Like I said, I dont know the full details, but this has been worked out between Microsoft and NCR for years.

Nothing against you - but unless you have the full details - that's just white wash bullshit.

[WrCombs]

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

Aloha would be an amazing fit, it's extremely easy to use. Now the only issue is , it legacy so you have to have a server, and then the POS terminals,

Did you ever tell us if the 'server' was only providing file and print services to the clients, because if it's anything more than that, it likely legally requires Windows Server license (and associated CALs).

This has been worked out between Microsoft and NCR/POS dealers since Aloha was started.
as I've learned recently in discussions online with other POS providers.

Is that in writing somewhere? Somewhere Official?

To my knowledge, yes.
With NCR (the Owner of Aloha)

Well that doesn't get the customer who's using it off the hook... that information should be provided that documentation when they purchase aloha - unless it's a rental only type situation, then perhaps, the liability would solely be upon NCR.

Like I said, I dont know the full details, but this has been worked out between Microsoft and NCR for years.

Nothing against you - but unless you have the full details - that's just white wash bullshit.

Then be that as it may.

[Dashrender]

I just went through that here. We're putting in a new HVAC system, they are installing Unifi Controller on a Windows 10 PC to manage some Unifi devices.

Unifi uses a DB and is a server to the devices on the network. This is against the windows 10 EULA. Of course, Unifi says - hey we made it so it works on Windows 10 - so the vendor takes that to mean - it's allowed to work on Windows 10. One does not mean the other.

Additionally, the HVAC software works similarly to the Unifi Controller. The HVAC components check into the server, so again, that's against the EULA.

But like Unifi, the HVAC vendor said - our software runs just fine on Windows 10, why would we make it do that if it wasn't OK? - REALLY? did you really just ask that? If it runs on Windows Server, it almost certainly will run on Windows 10. But that doesn't make it legal to use on Windows 10.

[DustinB3403]

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

I just went through that here. We're putting in a new HVAC system, they are installing Unifi Controller on a Windows 10 PC to manage some Unifi devices.

Unifi uses a DB and is a server to the devices on the network. This is against the windows 10 EULA. Of course, Unifi says - hey we made it so it works on Windows 10 - so the vendor takes that to mean - it's allowed to work on Windows 10. One does not mean the other.

Additionally, the HVAC software works similarly to the Unifi Controller. The HVAC components check into the server, so again, that's against the EULA.

But like Unifi, the HVAC vendor said - our software runs just fine on Windows 10, why would we make it do that if it wasn't OK? - REALLY? did you really just ask that? If it runs on Windows Server, it almost certainly will run on Windows 10. But that doesn't make it legal to use on Windows 10.

So many people get this confused it's amazing.

That's like saying "My car is capable of driving 130 MPH, so I have to drive it at 130 MPH all of the time". One doesn't not imply the allowance of the other.

Just because your car can go 130 MPH, doesn't mean it's legal for you to ever drive your car 130 MPH.

[bnrstnr]

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@bnrstnr said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

The reason I had said Windows was a requirement was because the two owners (both in their 70s) are familiar with Windows.

This is reason enough to never want Windows lol They'll be tinkering like crazy and installing all kinds of crap on their POS terminals.

They wouldn't see Windows, They'd see the Software for the POS only if the POS was working correctly.

So their preference for Windows is irrelevant, we're back to any operating system and hardware since they won't see it anyway.

[WrCombs]

@bnrstnr said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@bnrstnr said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

The reason I had said Windows was a requirement was because the two owners (both in their 70s) are familiar with Windows.

This is reason enough to never want Windows lol They'll be tinkering like crazy and installing all kinds of crap on their POS terminals.

They wouldn't see Windows, They'd see the Software for the POS only if the POS was working correctly.

So their preference for Windows is irrelevant, we're back to any operating system and hardware since they won't see it anyway.

Pretty much.

[WrCombs]

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

I think the option we may go with is ehopper.com as it can be used in your browser, android, or ipad.

the Free option doesn't have anything that small business would need, no support line, no way of building your own menu. Located in NY. Limited to 1 POS with almost no features that Small Businesses need in Hospitality.

I was also looking at aronium.com which is a free Windows POS software. It has a lot of potential but no merchant services options yet.

Based in Russia, No pricing on Website for Upgrades , All feaures seen are basic, No Storage of information was offered in the features section.

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@JaredBusch said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

Run on Windows or possibly just browser based - not looking for iPad or Android App (screens are too small)

This is a horrible requirement. I've never seen staff have problem with a tablet based system due to the form factor.

How could it be too small? And if that is truly a problem, I have seen systems with oversized tablets. Used one to day as a customer when I took my wife's car to the carwash.

I have a client looking to move from some old shitty Windows based POS to something tablet based in fact.
https://www.republicofit.com/topic/19543/anyone-heard-of-rezku-pos

I agree that there are larger sized Android tablets that could work. I have also looked at some of the Android emulators like BlueStacks.com . The reason I had said Windows was a requirement was because the two owners (both in their 70s) are familiar with Windows. Plus they want to use hardware they already own. It's called shit we got .

So, here's what I tell my customers when they say that they want to use their own hardware:
I can bring in a bag of food to your restaurant, give it to you and say go cook this like you cook your (insert Food found at restaurant - usually steak for example) and you will?
lets say you do, but it comes out under Par for the standard of your restaurant, then what?
I'd obviously still want a steak, are you going to replace that steak with one of yours for the same price im paying your chief to cook it?

for bars; am I allowed to bring my own alcohol into the bar?
lets say I bring in stuff for a mixed drink, will you make it with what I have?
(they usually stop me here. and say no,)

So think about it like this/ explain it like this: your clients will not allow someone to bring their own liquor/cups/food into their place of business where they offer a service and have a standard of business and guarantee for their product and services.

[Dashrender]

@DustinB3403 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

I just went through that here. We're putting in a new HVAC system, they are installing Unifi Controller on a Windows 10 PC to manage some Unifi devices.

Unifi uses a DB and is a server to the devices on the network. This is against the windows 10 EULA. Of course, Unifi says - hey we made it so it works on Windows 10 - so the vendor takes that to mean - it's allowed to work on Windows 10. One does not mean the other.

Additionally, the HVAC software works similarly to the Unifi Controller. The HVAC components check into the server, so again, that's against the EULA.

But like Unifi, the HVAC vendor said - our software runs just fine on Windows 10, why would we make it do that if it wasn't OK? - REALLY? did you really just ask that? If it runs on Windows Server, it almost certainly will run on Windows 10. But that doesn't make it legal to use on Windows 10.

So many people get this confused it's amazing.

That's like saying "My car is capable of driving 130 MPH, so I have to drive it at 130 MPH all of the time". One doesn't not imply the allowance of the other.

Just because your car can go 130 MPH, doesn't mean it's legal for you to ever drive your car 130 MPH.

But it is legal to drive your car 130 on private property

[Dashrender]

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

I think the option we may go with is ehopper.com as it can be used in your browser, android, or ipad.

the Free option doesn't have anything that small business would need, no support line, no way of building your own menu. Located in NY. Limited to 1 POS with almost no features that Small Businesses need in Hospitality.

I was also looking at aronium.com which is a free Windows POS software. It has a lot of potential but no merchant services options yet.

Based in Russia, No pricing on Website for Upgrades , All feaures seen are basic, No Storage of information was offered in the features section.

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@JaredBusch said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

Run on Windows or possibly just browser based - not looking for iPad or Android App (screens are too small)

This is a horrible requirement. I've never seen staff have problem with a tablet based system due to the form factor.

How could it be too small? And if that is truly a problem, I have seen systems with oversized tablets. Used one to day as a customer when I took my wife's car to the carwash.

I have a client looking to move from some old shitty Windows based POS to something tablet based in fact.
https://www.republicofit.com/topic/19543/anyone-heard-of-rezku-pos

I agree that there are larger sized Android tablets that could work. I have also looked at some of the Android emulators like BlueStacks.com . The reason I had said Windows was a requirement was because the two owners (both in their 70s) are familiar with Windows. Plus they want to use hardware they already own. It's called shit we got .

So, here's what I tell my customers when they say that they want to use their own hardware:
I can bring in a bag of food to your restaurant, give it to you and say go cook this like you cook your (insert Food found at restaurant - usually steak for example) and you will?
lets say you do, but it comes out under Par for the standard of your restaurant, then what?
I'd obviously still want a steak, are you going to replace that steak with one of yours for the same price im paying your chief to cook it?

for bars; am I allowed to bring my own alcohol into the bar?
lets say I bring in stuff for a mixed drink, will you make it with what I have?
(they usually stop me here. and say no,)

So think about it like this/ explain it like this: your clients will not allow someone to bring their own liquor/cups/food into their place of business where they offer a service and have a standard of business and guarantee for their product and services.

That's not exactly the same thing - at least in cases where the POS system does allow you to provide your own hardware.

How many of those tablet based solutions make you buy your own iPads/Android tablets?

[WrCombs]

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

I think the option we may go with is ehopper.com as it can be used in your browser, android, or ipad.

the Free option doesn't have anything that small business would need, no support line, no way of building your own menu. Located in NY. Limited to 1 POS with almost no features that Small Businesses need in Hospitality.

I was also looking at aronium.com which is a free Windows POS software. It has a lot of potential but no merchant services options yet.

Based in Russia, No pricing on Website for Upgrades , All feaures seen are basic, No Storage of information was offered in the features section.

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@JaredBusch said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

Run on Windows or possibly just browser based - not looking for iPad or Android App (screens are too small)

This is a horrible requirement. I've never seen staff have problem with a tablet based system due to the form factor.

How could it be too small? And if that is truly a problem, I have seen systems with oversized tablets. Used one to day as a customer when I took my wife's car to the carwash.

I have a client looking to move from some old shitty Windows based POS to something tablet based in fact.
https://www.republicofit.com/topic/19543/anyone-heard-of-rezku-pos

I agree that there are larger sized Android tablets that could work. I have also looked at some of the Android emulators like BlueStacks.com . The reason I had said Windows was a requirement was because the two owners (both in their 70s) are familiar with Windows. Plus they want to use hardware they already own. It's called shit we got .

So, here's what I tell my customers when they say that they want to use their own hardware:
I can bring in a bag of food to your restaurant, give it to you and say go cook this like you cook your (insert Food found at restaurant - usually steak for example) and you will?
lets say you do, but it comes out under Par for the standard of your restaurant, then what?
I'd obviously still want a steak, are you going to replace that steak with one of yours for the same price im paying your chief to cook it?

for bars; am I allowed to bring my own alcohol into the bar?
lets say I bring in stuff for a mixed drink, will you make it with what I have?
(they usually stop me here. and say no,)

So think about it like this/ explain it like this: your clients will not allow someone to bring their own liquor/cups/food into their place of business where they offer a service and have a standard of business and guarantee for their product and services.

That's not exactly the same thing - at least in cases where the POS system does allow you to provide your own hardware.

How many of those tablet based solutions make you buy your own iPads/Android tablets?

I know for sure HRPOS says to buy your own.
Makes it better/easeir that way for support.

For aloha and Brink the analogy works, And for the last 6 years we only sold Aloha.

[Dashrender]

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

I think the option we may go with is ehopper.com as it can be used in your browser, android, or ipad.

the Free option doesn't have anything that small business would need, no support line, no way of building your own menu. Located in NY. Limited to 1 POS with almost no features that Small Businesses need in Hospitality.

I was also looking at aronium.com which is a free Windows POS software. It has a lot of potential but no merchant services options yet.

Based in Russia, No pricing on Website for Upgrades , All feaures seen are basic, No Storage of information was offered in the features section.

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@JaredBusch said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

Run on Windows or possibly just browser based - not looking for iPad or Android App (screens are too small)

This is a horrible requirement. I've never seen staff have problem with a tablet based system due to the form factor.

How could it be too small? And if that is truly a problem, I have seen systems with oversized tablets. Used one to day as a customer when I took my wife's car to the carwash.

I have a client looking to move from some old shitty Windows based POS to something tablet based in fact.
https://www.republicofit.com/topic/19543/anyone-heard-of-rezku-pos

I agree that there are larger sized Android tablets that could work. I have also looked at some of the Android emulators like BlueStacks.com . The reason I had said Windows was a requirement was because the two owners (both in their 70s) are familiar with Windows. Plus they want to use hardware they already own. It's called shit we got .

So, here's what I tell my customers when they say that they want to use their own hardware:
I can bring in a bag of food to your restaurant, give it to you and say go cook this like you cook your (insert Food found at restaurant - usually steak for example) and you will?
lets say you do, but it comes out under Par for the standard of your restaurant, then what?
I'd obviously still want a steak, are you going to replace that steak with one of yours for the same price im paying your chief to cook it?

for bars; am I allowed to bring my own alcohol into the bar?
lets say I bring in stuff for a mixed drink, will you make it with what I have?
(they usually stop me here. and say no,)

So think about it like this/ explain it like this: your clients will not allow someone to bring their own liquor/cups/food into their place of business where they offer a service and have a standard of business and guarantee for their product and services.

That's not exactly the same thing - at least in cases where the POS system does allow you to provide your own hardware.

How many of those tablet based solutions make you buy your own iPads/Android tablets?

I know for sure HRPOS says to buy your own.
Makes it better/easeir that way for support.

For aloha and Brink the analogy works, And for the last 6 years we only sold Aloha.

This is a salesman gimmick to sell this system. Definitely not something a hired consultant should ever use. For the consultant, it should be about what's best for the buyer.

[Dashrender]

Now in your case, you basically are a sales person because you work for who you work for, so you need to tow the company line to keep sales going, etc.

[WrCombs]

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@Dashrender said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@WrCombs said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

I think the option we may go with is ehopper.com as it can be used in your browser, android, or ipad.

the Free option doesn't have anything that small business would need, no support line, no way of building your own menu. Located in NY. Limited to 1 POS with almost no features that Small Businesses need in Hospitality.

I was also looking at aronium.com which is a free Windows POS software. It has a lot of potential but no merchant services options yet.

Based in Russia, No pricing on Website for Upgrades , All feaures seen are basic, No Storage of information was offered in the features section.

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@JaredBusch said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

@syko24 said in POS recommendation for a small bar:

Run on Windows or possibly just browser based - not looking for iPad or Android App (screens are too small)

This is a horrible requirement. I've never seen staff have problem with a tablet based system due to the form factor.

How could it be too small? And if that is truly a problem, I have seen systems with oversized tablets. Used one to day as a customer when I took my wife's car to the carwash.

I have a client looking to move from some old shitty Windows based POS to something tablet based in fact.
https://www.republicofit.com/topic/19543/anyone-heard-of-rezku-pos

I agree that there are larger sized Android tablets that could work. I have also looked at some of the Android emulators like BlueStacks.com . The reason I had said Windows was a requirement was because the two owners (both in their 70s) are familiar with Windows. Plus they want to use hardware they already own. It's called shit we got .

So, here's what I tell my customers when they say that they want to use their own hardware:
I can bring in a bag of food to your restaurant, give it to you and say go cook this like you cook your (insert Food found at restaurant - usually steak for example) and you will?
lets say you do, but it comes out under Par for the standard of your restaurant, then what?
I'd obviously still want a steak, are you going to replace that steak with one of yours for the same price im paying your chief to cook it?

for bars; am I allowed to bring my own alcohol into the bar?
lets say I bring in stuff for a mixed drink, will you make it with what I have?
(they usually stop me here. and say no,)

So think about it like this/ explain it like this: your clients will not allow someone to bring their own liquor/cups/food into their place of business where they offer a service and have a standard of business and guarantee for their product and services.

That's not exactly the same thing - at least in cases where the POS system does allow you to provide your own hardware.

How many of those tablet based solutions make you buy your own iPads/Android tablets?

I know for sure HRPOS says to buy your own.
Makes it better/easeir that way for support.

For aloha and Brink the analogy works, And for the last 6 years we only sold Aloha.

This is a salesman gimmick to sell this system. Definitely not something a hired consultant should ever use. For the consultant, it should be about what's best for the buyer.

Sure, other peoples equipment is a headache.
We dont support it.
In few cases, we let it go and help people out but they pay us to set up the terminals.
cause it's not a part of our Business Model to allow customer equipment in the site.