Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud

JaredBusch

@stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

@JaredBusch said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

@travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

Yes, that's what everyone claims, but I have very rarely had a Docker container work when deployed to a different distribution that it was created on, and sometimes even different kernel versions break things.

You are wrong. See my own guide, here in the community, to installing the Ubiquiti UNMS controller on Debian.

@travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

Yes, they are supposed to be portable, but every distribution has a slightly different compiled kernel. Because the kernel is shared, random things are just broken and/or don't work. I've seen it happen so often that I just assume anyone claiming Docker containers works with it in a monolithic environment. In which case, of course they just work.

Docker containers are not portable once installed. They are not designed to be moved around. Stop saying shit and give real examples.

Oh, if that's what he means by portable. Yeah you don't put an image on a system and move it to another. You just spin up the image on another system.

I have no idea what he thinks he means. But I do know he is spewing bullshit.

travisdh1

@JaredBusch said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

@stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

@JaredBusch said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

@travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

Yes, that's what everyone claims, but I have very rarely had a Docker container work when deployed to a different distribution that it was created on, and sometimes even different kernel versions break things.

You are wrong. See my own guide, here in the community, to installing the Ubiquiti UNMS controller on Debian.

@travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

Yes, they are supposed to be portable, but every distribution has a slightly different compiled kernel. Because the kernel is shared, random things are just broken and/or don't work. I've seen it happen so often that I just assume anyone claiming Docker containers works with it in a monolithic environment. In which case, of course they just work.

Docker containers are not portable once installed. They are not designed to be moved around. Stop saying shit and give real examples.

Oh, if that's what he means by portable. Yeah you don't put an image on a system and move it to another. You just spin up the image on another system.

I have no idea what he thinks he means. But I do know he is spewing bullshit.

docker pull image start it up, doesn't work. Could be things have changed since I've tried, hasn't been that long tho.

stacksofplates

@travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

@JaredBusch said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

@stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

@JaredBusch said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

@travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

Yes, that's what everyone claims, but I have very rarely had a Docker container work when deployed to a different distribution that it was created on, and sometimes even different kernel versions break things.

You are wrong. See my own guide, here in the community, to installing the Ubiquiti UNMS controller on Debian.

@travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

Yes, they are supposed to be portable, but every distribution has a slightly different compiled kernel. Because the kernel is shared, random things are just broken and/or don't work. I've seen it happen so often that I just assume anyone claiming Docker containers works with it in a monolithic environment. In which case, of course they just work.

Docker containers are not portable once installed. They are not designed to be moved around. Stop saying shit and give real examples.

Oh, if that's what he means by portable. Yeah you don't put an image on a system and move it to another. You just spin up the image on another system.

I have no idea what he thinks he means. But I do know he is spewing bullshit.

docker pull image start it up, doesn't work. Could be things have changed since I've tried, hasn't been that long tho.

That could be so many things. Why would you default to thinking it's the kernel?

brandon220

Decided to go with OnlyOffice and have it running. Both servers are behind nginx and https. It adds the menus in NC to create/edit docs but returns a normal NC page that has a white body. Seems like the majority of people use docker but I have OO running on a CentOS7 vm. Has anyone got this to work successfully? Both pieces are working but not together. Frustrated to say the least......
On the plus side... I found and corrected an issue with my nginx config on NC.

brandon220

@travisdh1 You are not alone. I have spent more hours on this than I'd like to admit. Still cannot get it to work. I have read every document I can find. Each solution I find makes no difference.

Has anybody been able to get this to work with NC and OnlyOffice behind nginx?

scottalanmiller

@brandon220 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

Has anybody been able to get this to work with NC and OnlyOffice behind nginx?

Not with OO, but @romo managed to finally get it working with Collabora. Likely the issues are the same.

brandon220

@scottalanmiller I'm pretty close to throwing in the towel. Their preferred method is fine for those running Docker, but I prefer using VMs and behind Nginx. I don't see why OO wants the certs to be installed manually, etc.

scottalanmiller

@brandon220 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

@scottalanmiller I'm pretty close to throwing in the towel. Their preferred method is fine for those running Docker, but I prefer using VMs and behind Nginx. I don't see why OO wants the certs to be installed manually, etc.

We tried it with Docker, it didn't work there either.

brandon220

@scottalanmiller Funny thing is that it has an almost 5-star review in the apps section in NC..... I'd like to see how many people actually get it to work.

stacksofplates

@brandon220 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

@travisdh1 You are not alone. I have spent more hours on this than I'd like to admit. Still cannot get it to work. I have read every document I can find. Each solution I find makes no difference.

Has anybody been able to get this to work with NC and OnlyOffice behind nginx?

If I get a chance tonight I'll give it a shot.

brandon220

@stacksofplates Did you have any luck?

stacksofplates

@brandon220 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

@stacksofplates Did you have any luck?

Sorry I haven't had time. I'll make sure I do it tonight.

brandon220

@stacksofplates I'm going to work at it more too. It seems like I'm so close to having it functional. I know it is because of nginx.

stacksofplates

Ok so it looks like Collabora isn't that great. It seems like everyone has issues from it (looking at their site) and it looks like OnlyOffice might be the better option (from the posts on the Collabora site). I got them to talk to each other in the same pod, but I get cryptic log messages.

I get this message along with these log messages:

wsd-00029-00085 2019-06-19 22:06:44.514243 [ docbroker_007 ] WRN  Client session [0011] not found to forward message: o84 signaturestatus: 0| wsd/DocumentBroker.cpp:1798
wsd-00029-00030 2019-06-19 22:11:54.640649 [ prisoner_poll ] WRN  ForKit not responsive for 5284 ms forking 1 children. Resetting.| wsd/LOOLWSD.cpp:427
wsd-00029-00089 2019-06-19 22:12:07.144677 [ docbroker_008 ] ERR  #20: Wrote outgoing data -1 bytes. (EPIPE: Broken pipe)| ./net/Socket.hpp:1058
wsd-00029-00089 2019-06-19 22:12:07.145078 [ docbroker_008 ] WRN  Client session [0013] not found to forward message: o96 signaturestatus: 0| wsd/DocumentBroker.cpp:1798
wsd-00029-00099 2019-06-19 22:12:17.482320 [ docbroker_009 ] ERR  #25: Wrote outgoing data -1 bytes. (EPIPE: Broken pipe)| ./net/Socket.hpp:1058
wsd-00029-00099 2019-06-19 22:12:17.482704 [ docbroker_009 ] WRN  Client session [0014] not found to forward message: o108 signaturestatus: 0| wsd/DocumentBroker.cpp:1798

stacksofplates

Just for kicks here's what I set up:

pod

podman pod create -p 8080:80 -p 9980:9980 --name nextcloud-pod

Nextcloud

podman run --pod nextcloud-pod -d nextcloud

Collabora

podman run -d -t --name collabora --pod nextcloud-pod -e "extra_params=--o:ssl.enable=false" -e "domain=example\\.com" collabora/code

Then I just pointed the Collabora app in Nextcloud to http://127.0.0.1:9980.

brandon220

I've decided to go with OO because of its strong use of native MS Office file formats. I have Nextcloud, nginx, and onlyoffice all running as VMs and both NC and OO have certs and can be accessed via https. NC can connect to OO fine and I can generate a new document in NC - however, the document opens as a blank page and throws an error inside the webpage if you look at the logs. I am sure that it is a problem with the .conf file in nginx but I haven't been able to narrow it down. I think it has something to do with connecting to the OO server as http behind the proxy. Most of the documentation shows using certs directly on the OO server but that defeats the purpose of my proxy.

travisdh1

@brandon220 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

I've decided to go with OO because of its strong use of native MS Office file formats. I have Nextcloud, nginx, and onlyoffice all running as VMs and both NC and OO have certs and can be accessed via https. NC can connect to OO fine and I can generate a new document in NC - however, the document opens as a blank page and throws an error inside the webpage if you look at the logs. I am sure that it is a problem with the .conf file in nginx but I haven't been able to narrow it down. I think it has something to do with connecting to the OO server as http behind the proxy. Most of the documentation shows using certs directly on the OO server but that defeats the purpose of my proxy.

That's the same state I remember getting stuck at.

brandon220

@travisdh1 I was really hoping to get it working. It would be a great tool and I know I would use it. I've read so much about it and keep getting stuck. I don't know why it has to be that difficult and why they put so much info out on a Docker setup. Not everyone wants to use docker in production. Maybe I'm alone in that way of thinking ?

black3dynamite

@brandon220 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

@travisdh1 I was really hoping to get it working. It would be a great tool and I know I would use it. I've read so much about it and keep getting stuck. I don't know why it has to be that difficult and why they put so much info out on a Docker setup. Not everyone wants to use docker in production. Maybe I'm alone in that way of thinking ?

This guy post nothing but Nextcloud related howto.
https://www.c-rieger.de/nextcloud-and-only-office-nginx/

brandon220

@black3dynamite I have read a lot of his documentation. The problem is that it uses Docker and no proxy server. There HAS to be a way to get it working behind a proxy. I also have everything on Fedora and CentOS. I could build this following his guide in my lab and it would probably work but that doesn't help my existing systems.