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    • brandon220B
      brandon220 @scottalanmiller
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      https://helpcenter.onlyoffice.com/server/linux/community/linux-installation-centos.aspx?_ga=2.97092124.2049076129.1559669474-423780045.1559669474
      is for the Community Version and is definitely different than the link posted above. It too makes no mention of Docker. The Docker option is there but not what I would choose. To me, Docker would just add a layer of complexity and more things to break
      Yes, I have Nginx in front of all NC installs.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @brandon220
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        @brandon220 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

        https://helpcenter.onlyoffice.com/server/linux/community/linux-installation-centos.aspx?_ga=2.97092124.2049076129.1559669474-423780045.1559669474
        is for the Community Version and is definitely different than the link posted above. It too makes no mention of Docker. The Docker option is there but not what I would choose. To me, Docker would just add a layer of complexity and more things to break
        Yes, I have Nginx in front of all NC installs.

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        • travisdh1T
          travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
          last edited by

          @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

          @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

          @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

          @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

          Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

          It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

          Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

          No, makes it ridiculously harder.

          Keep in mind that the somewhat easier is in comparison to compiling from source with all the proper compiler settings. To me it is easier, I know it's still a pain in the neck!

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          • hellonadyaH
            hellonadya @travisdh1
            last edited by

            @travisdh1 we can help you on GitHub https://github.com/ONLYOFFICE/onlyoffice-nextcloud/issues

            there are a lot of requests concerning reverse proxy. we promised to post the official instructions

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            • hellonadyaH
              hellonadya @brandon220
              last edited by

              @brandon220 this link is about Community Server installation. Community Server contains doc management, project management, CRM, Calendar, etc

              Document Server (doc editors) + Community Server (collaboration platform) = Community Edition.

              If you are planning to use ONLYOFFICE editors integrated with Nextcloud, you need Document Server only.

              https://helpcenter.onlyoffice.com/server/linux/document/index.aspx

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              • brandon220B
                brandon220 @hellonadya
                last edited by

                @hellonadya I have it installed and running now. Working on connecting to NC.

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                • stacksofplatesS
                  stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                  @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                  @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                  Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                  It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                  Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

                  No, makes it ridiculously harder.

                  The Collabora documentation is really straightforward on the container and looks very easy. What isn't "production" about the setup?

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                  • stacksofplatesS
                    stacksofplates @stacksofplates
                    last edited by stacksofplates

                    @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                    @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                    @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                    Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                    It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                    Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

                    No, makes it ridiculously harder.

                    The Collabora documentation is really straightforward on the container and looks very easy. What isn't "production" about the setup?

                    I mean I ran this

                    podman run -t -d --name collabora -p 9980:9980 -e "domain=test.com" -e "username=admin" -e "password=password" collabora/code
                    

                    and it's up and running. Either run it on your NextCloud host and point to localhost:9980 or just point to the host the container is running on.

                    If you don't want to run Docker-Compose you can just use a systemd unit to start the process at boot with either straight Docker or Podman (or whatever container engine).

                    The advantage to Podman is it's daemonless and unprivileged nature.

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                    • travisdh1T
                      travisdh1 @stacksofplates
                      last edited by

                      @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                      @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                      @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                      Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                      It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                      Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

                      No, makes it ridiculously harder.

                      The Collabora documentation is really straightforward on the container and looks very easy. What isn't "production" about the setup?

                      With Docker, you have to be running the exact same version of OS and kernel that the devs who built the container. Docker specifically isn't portable like so many people claim.

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                      • brandon220B
                        brandon220 @stacksofplates
                        last edited by

                        @stacksofplates Nextcloud 16 is will only allow you to use https to connect to OnlyOffice. Have not tried to install Collabora yet. I guess I'll be trying that next. I have zero Docker experience.

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                        • stacksofplatesS
                          stacksofplates @travisdh1
                          last edited by stacksofplates

                          @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                          @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                          @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                          @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                          Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                          It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                          Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

                          No, makes it ridiculously harder.

                          The Collabora documentation is really straightforward on the container and looks very easy. What isn't "production" about the setup?

                          With Docker, you have to be running the exact same version of OS and kernel that the devs who built the container. Docker specifically isn't portable like so many people claim.

                          No you don't. That's not true at all.

                          Yes you can create an app that uses a syscall that may be deprecated or uses a very new kernel hook that isn't available in older kernels. So you would be limited to kernels that support those, but it is in no way a requirement to have the exact same kernel and certainly not the exact same OS.

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                          • travisdh1T
                            travisdh1 @stacksofplates
                            last edited by

                            @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                            @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                            @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                            @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                            @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                            Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                            It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                            Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

                            No, makes it ridiculously harder.

                            The Collabora documentation is really straightforward on the container and looks very easy. What isn't "production" about the setup?

                            With Docker, you have to be running the exact same version of OS and kernel that the devs who built the container. Docker specifically isn't portable like so many people claim.

                            No you don't. That's not true at all.

                            Yes you can create an app that uses a syscall that may be deprecated or uses a very new kernel hook that isn't available in older kernels. So you would be limited to kernels that support those, but it is in no way a requirement to have the exact same kernel and certainly not the exact same OS.

                            Yes, that's what everyone claims, but I have very rarely had a Docker container work when deployed to a different distribution that it was created on, and sometimes even different kernel versions break things.

                            Yes, they are supposed to be portable, but every distribution has a slightly different compiled kernel. Because the kernel is shared, random things are just broken and/or don't work. I've seen it happen so often that I just assume anyone claiming Docker containers works with it in a monolithic environment. In which case, of course they just work.

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                            • stacksofplatesS
                              stacksofplates @travisdh1
                              last edited by

                              @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                              @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                              @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                              @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                              @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                              @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                              Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                              It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                              Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

                              No, makes it ridiculously harder.

                              The Collabora documentation is really straightforward on the container and looks very easy. What isn't "production" about the setup?

                              With Docker, you have to be running the exact same version of OS and kernel that the devs who built the container. Docker specifically isn't portable like so many people claim.

                              No you don't. That's not true at all.

                              Yes you can create an app that uses a syscall that may be deprecated or uses a very new kernel hook that isn't available in older kernels. So you would be limited to kernels that support those, but it is in no way a requirement to have the exact same kernel and certainly not the exact same OS.

                              Yes, that's what everyone claims, but I have very rarely had a Docker container work when deployed to a different distribution that it was created on, and sometimes even different kernel versions break things.

                              Yes, they are supposed to be portable, but every distribution has a slightly different compiled kernel. Because the kernel is shared, random things are just broken and/or don't work. I've seen it happen so often that I just assume anyone claiming Docker containers works with it in a monolithic environment. In which case, of course they just work.

                              I've literally never had it happen and I use it all of the time. Build on Fedora, deploy to either RHEL/CentOS or Fedora. And pull images from Ubuntu and use those all of the time.

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                              • stacksofplatesS
                                stacksofplates @travisdh1
                                last edited by

                                @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                                It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                                Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

                                No, makes it ridiculously harder.

                                The Collabora documentation is really straightforward on the container and looks very easy. What isn't "production" about the setup?

                                With Docker, you have to be running the exact same version of OS and kernel that the devs who built the container. Docker specifically isn't portable like so many people claim.

                                No you don't. That's not true at all.

                                Yes you can create an app that uses a syscall that may be deprecated or uses a very new kernel hook that isn't available in older kernels. So you would be limited to kernels that support those, but it is in no way a requirement to have the exact same kernel and certainly not the exact same OS.

                                Yes, that's what everyone claims, but I have very rarely had a Docker container work when deployed to a different distribution that it was created on, and sometimes even different kernel versions break things.

                                Yes, they are supposed to be portable, but every distribution has a slightly different compiled kernel. Because the kernel is shared, random things are just broken and/or don't work. I've seen it happen so often that I just assume anyone claiming Docker containers works with it in a monolithic environment. In which case, of course they just work.

                                Any examples of what broke in what apps on what distros?

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                                • JaredBuschJ
                                  JaredBusch @travisdh1
                                  last edited by

                                  @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                  Yes, that's what everyone claims, but I have very rarely had a Docker container work when deployed to a different distribution that it was created on, and sometimes even different kernel versions break things.

                                  You are wrong. See my own guide, here in the community, to installing the Ubiquiti UNMS controller on Debian.

                                  @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                  Yes, they are supposed to be portable, but every distribution has a slightly different compiled kernel. Because the kernel is shared, random things are just broken and/or don't work. I've seen it happen so often that I just assume anyone claiming Docker containers works with it in a monolithic environment. In which case, of course they just work.

                                  Docker containers are not portable once installed. They are not designed to be moved around. Stop saying shit and give real examples.

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                                  • stacksofplatesS
                                    stacksofplates @JaredBusch
                                    last edited by

                                    @JaredBusch said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                    Yes, that's what everyone claims, but I have very rarely had a Docker container work when deployed to a different distribution that it was created on, and sometimes even different kernel versions break things.

                                    You are wrong. See my own guide, here in the community, to installing the Ubiquiti UNMS controller on Debian.

                                    @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                    Yes, they are supposed to be portable, but every distribution has a slightly different compiled kernel. Because the kernel is shared, random things are just broken and/or don't work. I've seen it happen so often that I just assume anyone claiming Docker containers works with it in a monolithic environment. In which case, of course they just work.

                                    Docker containers are not portable once installed. They are not designed to be moved around. Stop saying shit and give real examples.

                                    Oh, if that's what he means by portable. Yeah you don't put an image on a system and move it to another. You just spin up the image on another system.

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                                    • JaredBuschJ
                                      JaredBusch @stacksofplates
                                      last edited by

                                      @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                      @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                      Yes, that's what everyone claims, but I have very rarely had a Docker container work when deployed to a different distribution that it was created on, and sometimes even different kernel versions break things.

                                      You are wrong. See my own guide, here in the community, to installing the Ubiquiti UNMS controller on Debian.

                                      @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                      Yes, they are supposed to be portable, but every distribution has a slightly different compiled kernel. Because the kernel is shared, random things are just broken and/or don't work. I've seen it happen so often that I just assume anyone claiming Docker containers works with it in a monolithic environment. In which case, of course they just work.

                                      Docker containers are not portable once installed. They are not designed to be moved around. Stop saying shit and give real examples.

                                      Oh, if that's what he means by portable. Yeah you don't put an image on a system and move it to another. You just spin up the image on another system.

                                      I have no idea what he thinks he means. But I do know he is spewing bullshit.

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                                      • travisdh1T
                                        travisdh1 @JaredBusch
                                        last edited by

                                        @JaredBusch said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                        @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                        @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                        Yes, that's what everyone claims, but I have very rarely had a Docker container work when deployed to a different distribution that it was created on, and sometimes even different kernel versions break things.

                                        You are wrong. See my own guide, here in the community, to installing the Ubiquiti UNMS controller on Debian.

                                        @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                        Yes, they are supposed to be portable, but every distribution has a slightly different compiled kernel. Because the kernel is shared, random things are just broken and/or don't work. I've seen it happen so often that I just assume anyone claiming Docker containers works with it in a monolithic environment. In which case, of course they just work.

                                        Docker containers are not portable once installed. They are not designed to be moved around. Stop saying shit and give real examples.

                                        Oh, if that's what he means by portable. Yeah you don't put an image on a system and move it to another. You just spin up the image on another system.

                                        I have no idea what he thinks he means. But I do know he is spewing bullshit.

                                        docker pull image start it up, doesn't work. Could be things have changed since I've tried, hasn't been that long tho.

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                                        • stacksofplatesS
                                          stacksofplates @travisdh1
                                          last edited by

                                          @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                          @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                          @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                          Yes, that's what everyone claims, but I have very rarely had a Docker container work when deployed to a different distribution that it was created on, and sometimes even different kernel versions break things.

                                          You are wrong. See my own guide, here in the community, to installing the Ubiquiti UNMS controller on Debian.

                                          @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                          Yes, they are supposed to be portable, but every distribution has a slightly different compiled kernel. Because the kernel is shared, random things are just broken and/or don't work. I've seen it happen so often that I just assume anyone claiming Docker containers works with it in a monolithic environment. In which case, of course they just work.

                                          Docker containers are not portable once installed. They are not designed to be moved around. Stop saying shit and give real examples.

                                          Oh, if that's what he means by portable. Yeah you don't put an image on a system and move it to another. You just spin up the image on another system.

                                          I have no idea what he thinks he means. But I do know he is spewing bullshit.

                                          docker pull image start it up, doesn't work. Could be things have changed since I've tried, hasn't been that long tho.

                                          That could be so many things. Why would you default to thinking it's the kernel?

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                                          • brandon220B
                                            brandon220
                                            last edited by

                                            Decided to go with OnlyOffice and have it running. Both servers are behind nginx and https. It adds the menus in NC to create/edit docs but returns a normal NC page that has a white body. Seems like the majority of people use docker but I have OO running on a CentOS7 vm. Has anyone got this to work successfully? Both pieces are working but not together. Frustrated to say the least......
                                            On the plus side... I found and corrected an issue with my nginx config on NC.

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