Best Backup Solution for 2019
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
I have around 12 VM's for DBs, File Servers, DCs, Apps, Media. Retention - 30 days. I'm hoping to get an appliance that can also use to backup online if needed.
Appliance approach is fine, but still requires agents. It's the software that matters. What hypervisor and OSes are these things? Also, no backup software or hardware can blindly back up just anything. DBs especially cannot be ignored, they have to be addressed at the application layer.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
I have around 12 VM's for DBs, File Servers, DCs, Apps, Media. Retention - 30 days. I'm hoping to get an appliance that can also use to backup online if needed.
Appliance approach is fine, but still requires agents. It's the software that matters. What hypervisor and OSes are these things? Also, no backup software or hardware can blindly back up just anything. DBs especially cannot be ignored, they have to be addressed at the application layer.
ESX
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@justin867 what databases? We need ALL the info. Backups are not a blind process. You have to know every piece of what is being backed up. We actually had a session on this at MangoCon as to why this is.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
No, really?! You want to back up your stuff in case the building burns down. Who would've guessed.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
You want to backup, just like humans want to drink water, it's essential to business survival, that's all the reason you need.
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@marcinozga said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
You want to backup, just like humans want to drink water, it's essential to business survival, that's all the reason you need.
Yeap, the audit will kill me if i dont have decent backup in this day and age. lol. also, its an assurance for a good night sleep.
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I say you should have a program that opens every file, database and table and takes a picture of everything. Those pictures get printed out to a nearby printer and a carrier pigeon flies that image to your head off.
Problem solved, you can rebuild with printed pictures, no?
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
Exactly, so to protect against a crash, you need a true backup, not a "crash consistent" backup. Crash consistent is all backup software by itself will address, and that does absolutely nothing to protect you from a crash, literally nothing. Because it restores as if you had just crashed. I'm asking these questions specifically so that we can talk about your options to protect against a crash.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@marcinozga said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
You want to backup, just like humans want to drink water, it's essential to business survival, that's all the reason you need.
Yeap, the audit will kill me if i dont have decent backup in this day and age. lol. also, its an assurance for a good night sleep.
Exactly. We understand that. But we can't even start to discuss how to take a backup if we don't know what the backup possibilities are.
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So a windows environment on ESX (not ESXi?) that needs 2-3TB of backup capabilities that offer local and remote storage repositories for backups.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
Exactly, so to protect against a crash, you need a true backup, not a "crash consistent" backup. Crash consistent is all backup software by itself will address, and that does absolutely nothing to protect you from a crash, literally nothing. Because it restores as if you had just crashed. I'm asking these questions specifically so that we can talk about your options to protect against a crash.
Hmmm Sometime the company system will have a database corruption and we will need to restore from the last working backup. That should not be complicated.
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@justin867 why are you being an ask-hole?
Provide answers to the questions we've asked you, or don't ask a question at all. We can't possibly give an answer to what is the "Best Backup solution of 2019" without understanding the entire picture.
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@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
So a windows environment on ESX (not ESXi?) that needs 2-3TB of backup capabilities that offer local and remote storage repositories for backups.
correction ESXi
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
Exactly, so to protect against a crash, you need a true backup, not a "crash consistent" backup. Crash consistent is all backup software by itself will address, and that does absolutely nothing to protect you from a crash, literally nothing. Because it restores as if you had just crashed. I'm asking these questions specifically so that we can talk about your options to protect against a crash.
Hmmm Sometime the company system will have a database corruption and we will need to restore from the last working backup. That should not be complicated.
Right, but creating a working backup is what you are asking for. So to have the option of restoring to a working backup, we need to know how to make a working backup.
Why are you asking a question and avoiding any possibility of a legitimate answer?
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@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 why are you being an ask-hole?
Provide answers to the questions we've asked you, or don't ask a question at all. We can't possibly give an answer to what is the "Best Backup solution of 2019" without understanding the entire picture.
Dont focus on the best, you should focus on the options.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 why are you being an ask-hole?
Provide answers to the questions we've asked you, or don't ask a question at all. We can't possibly give an answer to what is the "Best Backup solution of 2019" without understanding the entire picture.
Dont focus on the best, you should focus on the options.
We are. Right now we are trying to determine the options and require you to tell us what you are backing up so that we know what options we even have.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 why are you being an ask-hole?
Provide answers to the questions we've asked you, or don't ask a question at all. We can't possibly give an answer to what is the "Best Backup solution of 2019" without understanding the entire picture.
Dont focus on the best, you should focus on the options.
rsync, robocopy, xcopy, Urbackup, Acronis, Symantec BackupExec 2003
All of these are options, some which may be fine, some which might get you slapped by SAM for deploying today.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
Exactly, so to protect against a crash, you need a true backup, not a "crash consistent" backup. Crash consistent is all backup software by itself will address, and that does absolutely nothing to protect you from a crash, literally nothing. Because it restores as if you had just crashed. I'm asking these questions specifically so that we can talk about your options to protect against a crash.
Hmmm Sometime the company system will have a database corruption and we will need to restore from the last working backup. That should not be complicated.
Basically it feels like you are saying that you don't need backups, because you already have backups. But that makes no sense. Either you are looking to replace the backups you have, in which case we need to know what the options are. Or you aren't actually trying to take a backup and just need a product called a backup that doesn't actually take the backup in which case just use anything you want since you already have the backups.
