SAMIT on Huawei vs Google





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  • Huawei are part of the Open Headset Alliance so they are under contracts to not make phones with forked Android versions.

    However they could cooperate with Alibaba on their AliOS (Aliyun) which is a linux derived android compatible OS. Not an Android fork but can run most Android apps.

    It's also not a huge deal to avid Google Play as long as you can have another software repository. Fire OS (Amazon) is an Android fork with it's own apps. But it's also easy to actually install Google Play services on it - although forbidden.



  • @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    Huawei are part of the Open Headset Alliance so they are under contracts to not make phones with forked Android versions.

    Does that still apply when Google cuts them off? I assume that that is null and void now. I'm sure that that limitation is based on getting a non-forked version.



  • @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    Fire OS (Amazon) is an Android fork with it's own apps.

    But it is a big deal how awful it is and how so few apps work.



  • @scottalanmiller said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    Fire OS (Amazon) is an Android fork with it's own apps.

    But it is a big deal how awful it is and how so few apps work.

    I'm not sure about that.
    We use android without google accounts. So pure Google apps like gmail are out but so far most other stuff works as expected. Chrome works for instance but I prefer firefox in either case.

    A while back cyanogenmod was an open source fork and as far as I know it worked fine on the majority of apps. The hard part is getting the fine tuning of hardware working like sleep functions and what not. But a manufacturer wouldn't have any problems with that.



  • @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @scottalanmiller said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    Fire OS (Amazon) is an Android fork with it's own apps.

    But it is a big deal how awful it is and how so few apps work.

    I'm not sure about that.
    We use android without google accounts. So pure Google apps like gmail are out but so far most other stuff works as expected. Chrome works for instance but I prefer firefox in either case.

    A while back cyanogenmod was an open source fork and as far as I know it worked fine on the majority of apps. The hard part is getting the fine tuning of hardware working like sleep functions and what not. But a manufacturer wouldn't have any problems with that.

    @IRJ i probably one of the best people in this community to discuss doing android without Google from a user perspective.

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/15813/copperhead-os-a-security-and-privacy-focused-android-os



  • @JaredBusch said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @scottalanmiller said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    Fire OS (Amazon) is an Android fork with it's own apps.

    But it is a big deal how awful it is and how so few apps work.

    I'm not sure about that.
    We use android without google accounts. So pure Google apps like gmail are out but so far most other stuff works as expected. Chrome works for instance but I prefer firefox in either case.

    A while back cyanogenmod was an open source fork and as far as I know it worked fine on the majority of apps. The hard part is getting the fine tuning of hardware working like sleep functions and what not. But a manufacturer wouldn't have any problems with that.

    @IRJ i probably one of the best people in this community to discuss doing android without Google from a user perspective.

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/15813/copperhead-os-a-security-and-privacy-focused-android-os

    I did this for about a year! No google anything. It was tough, but I did it. Unfortunately that company copperhead folded. They had a terrible model and only sold hardware with OS. They allowed you to install it for free if you had an old Huawei Google Nexus6p phone (yeah Huwawei and google worked together 😉 )

    I happily would have paid like $50 a year to use their OS. But they refused to sell the OS you had to buy a Pixel 2 for like $1k with their OS preloaded.



  • @IRJ said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @JaredBusch said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @scottalanmiller said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    Fire OS (Amazon) is an Android fork with it's own apps.

    But it is a big deal how awful it is and how so few apps work.

    I'm not sure about that.
    We use android without google accounts. So pure Google apps like gmail are out but so far most other stuff works as expected. Chrome works for instance but I prefer firefox in either case.

    A while back cyanogenmod was an open source fork and as far as I know it worked fine on the majority of apps. The hard part is getting the fine tuning of hardware working like sleep functions and what not. But a manufacturer wouldn't have any problems with that.

    @IRJ i probably one of the best people in this community to discuss doing android without Google from a user perspective.

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/15813/copperhead-os-a-security-and-privacy-focused-android-os

    I did this for about a year! No google anything. It was tough, but I did it. Unfortunately that company copperhead folded. They had a terrible model and only sold hardware with OS. They allowed you to install it for free if you had an old Huawei Google Nexus6p phone (yeah Huwawei and google worked together 😉 )

    But what is the practical difference between these two?

    1. running android without a google account (which means no access to any google services)
    2. open source android without any access to any google services


  • @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @IRJ said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @JaredBusch said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @scottalanmiller said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    Fire OS (Amazon) is an Android fork with it's own apps.

    But it is a big deal how awful it is and how so few apps work.

    I'm not sure about that.
    We use android without google accounts. So pure Google apps like gmail are out but so far most other stuff works as expected. Chrome works for instance but I prefer firefox in either case.

    A while back cyanogenmod was an open source fork and as far as I know it worked fine on the majority of apps. The hard part is getting the fine tuning of hardware working like sleep functions and what not. But a manufacturer wouldn't have any problems with that.

    @IRJ i probably one of the best people in this community to discuss doing android without Google from a user perspective.

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/15813/copperhead-os-a-security-and-privacy-focused-android-os

    I did this for about a year! No google anything. It was tough, but I did it. Unfortunately that company copperhead folded. They had a terrible model and only sold hardware with OS. They allowed you to install it for free if you had an old Huawei Google Nexus6p phone (yeah Huwawei and google worked together 😉 )

    But what is the practical difference between these two?

    1. running android without a google account (which means no access to any google services)
    2. open source android without any access to any google services

    It is open-source with no access to any Google services

    https://copperhead.co/android/docs/technical_overview



  • @IRJ said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @IRJ said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @JaredBusch said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @scottalanmiller said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    Fire OS (Amazon) is an Android fork with it's own apps.

    But it is a big deal how awful it is and how so few apps work.

    I'm not sure about that.
    We use android without google accounts. So pure Google apps like gmail are out but so far most other stuff works as expected. Chrome works for instance but I prefer firefox in either case.

    A while back cyanogenmod was an open source fork and as far as I know it worked fine on the majority of apps. The hard part is getting the fine tuning of hardware working like sleep functions and what not. But a manufacturer wouldn't have any problems with that.

    @IRJ i probably one of the best people in this community to discuss doing android without Google from a user perspective.

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/15813/copperhead-os-a-security-and-privacy-focused-android-os

    I did this for about a year! No google anything. It was tough, but I did it. Unfortunately that company copperhead folded. They had a terrible model and only sold hardware with OS. They allowed you to install it for free if you had an old Huawei Google Nexus6p phone (yeah Huwawei and google worked together 😉 )

    But what is the practical difference between these two?

    1. running android without a google account (which means no access to any google services)
    2. open source android without any access to any google services

    It is open-source with no access to any Google services

    https://copperhead.co/android/docs/technical_overview

    I understand but what I'm saying is that if you take a new android phone from Lenovo, Samsung or whoever and you don't create or login with a google account you have a google free android phone as well. Well, you still have the google apps on it (can't remove them) but you can't use them.

    We are running like this and have been for 3-4 years now, so I can't see that as a giant hurdle for Huawei since most non-google apps works great. Users don't care if they use gmail or xyzmail as long as they can use it.

    I just think the move from Android with google play services to android with something else is not a great obstacle.
    Huawei and the other manufacturers are already running Android like this in China.



  • @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @IRJ said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @IRJ said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @JaredBusch said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @scottalanmiller said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    Fire OS (Amazon) is an Android fork with it's own apps.

    But it is a big deal how awful it is and how so few apps work.

    I'm not sure about that.
    We use android without google accounts. So pure Google apps like gmail are out but so far most other stuff works as expected. Chrome works for instance but I prefer firefox in either case.

    A while back cyanogenmod was an open source fork and as far as I know it worked fine on the majority of apps. The hard part is getting the fine tuning of hardware working like sleep functions and what not. But a manufacturer wouldn't have any problems with that.

    @IRJ i probably one of the best people in this community to discuss doing android without Google from a user perspective.

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/15813/copperhead-os-a-security-and-privacy-focused-android-os

    I did this for about a year! No google anything. It was tough, but I did it. Unfortunately that company copperhead folded. They had a terrible model and only sold hardware with OS. They allowed you to install it for free if you had an old Huawei Google Nexus6p phone (yeah Huwawei and google worked together 😉 )

    But what is the practical difference between these two?

    1. running android without a google account (which means no access to any google services)
    2. open source android without any access to any google services

    It is open-source with no access to any Google services

    https://copperhead.co/android/docs/technical_overview

    I understand but what I'm saying is that if you take a new android phone from Lenovo, Samsung or whoever and you don't create or login with a google account you have a google free android phone as well. Well, you still have the google apps on it (can't remove them) but you can't use them.

    We are running like this and have been for years so I can't see that as a giant hurdle for Huawei since most non-google apps works great. Users don't care if they use gmail or xyzmail as long as they can use it.

    I just think the move from Android with google play services to android with something else is not a great obstacle.
    Huawei and the other manufacturers are already running Android like this in China.

    And it's obvious that Google wants to do vendor lock-in as much as possible. And they try to do it with their apps and services. So it would probably just be a good thing for everyone to have vendors break out of google's grip.



  • @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    And it's obvious that Google wants to do vendor lock-in as much as possible. And they try to do it with their apps and services. So it would probably just be a good thing for everyone to have vendors break out of google's grip.

    Yeah, so much good could come from this.



  • It appears that Google has reversed direction:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/21/google-will-work-with-huawei-for-next-90-days-after-restrictions-eased.html

    So, at least for the next 90 days they claim they will be attempting to work out a deal. I think someone wnet, "Oh crap!, $11 billion in US chips sales down the toilet!"



  • @pchiodo said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    It appears that Google has reversed direction:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/21/google-will-work-with-huawei-for-next-90-days-after-restrictions-eased.html

    So, at least for the next 90 days they claim they will be attempting to work out a deal. I think someone wnet, "Oh crap!, $11 billion in US chips sales down the toilet!"

    No, the US reversed the decision to ban immediately.

    Thus seeing Google reverse, also, means that Google was pushed to do so because of the US.



  • @pchiodo said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    It appears that Google has reversed direction:

    Or more importantly, that the US Fed has.



  • @scottalanmiller said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    @Pete-S said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    And it's obvious that Google wants to do vendor lock-in as much as possible. And they try to do it with their apps and services. So it would probably just be a good thing for everyone to have vendors break out of google's grip.

    Yeah, so much good could come from this.

    There are other alternative stores as well... Amazon's Android App store (never had any issues with the apps I have in there)... F-Droid seems to be pretty good too. Just always be careful what you install when it's not from Google's Play store!



  • Friend went to upgrade her phone the weekend. She went to carphone warehouse and was adviced to stay clear from them. The sale guy also said people who had recently bought ones are bringing them back for refunds.

    I recently saw a statement from Huawei saying they don't blame Google for this mess



  • Mi brother works in Huawei (Spain branch )

    He told me the spanish employees are nervous but the the Chinese are very calm.

    Huawei have the most advanced 5g technology and at least Europe need this technology.



  • @iroal said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    Mi brother works in Huawei (Spain branch )

    He told me the spanish employees are nervous but the the Chinese are very calm.

    Huawei have the most advanced 5g technology and at least Europe need this technology.

    Everyone needs it. But we suspect that the US will just fall behind. That might, in fact, be the goal.



  • I love the talk of 5g when theres a lot of the UK that cannot even make 2G phone calls. We don't have enough cell towers in non city areas of the UK, I can barely make phone calls where I live.



  • @StuartJordan said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    I love the talk of 5g when theres a lot of the UK that cannot even make 2G phone calls. We don't have enough cell towers in non city areas of the UK, I can barely make phone calls where I live.

    US, especially Texas, has been banking pretty heavily on 5G to fix a lack of good landlines. That's a major problem now, our "right around the corner" rollout of 5G is no longer in the works.



  • One thing I don't get yet is my have Xiaomi, Umidigi and other manufactures from that side of the world not been effect by all this stuff with the US?

    My thoughts would be if the government have been asking Huawei to but spying/data harvesting stuff in gear wouldn't they be asking all manufacturers?



  • @hobbit666 said in SAMIT on Huawei vs Google:

    One thing I don't get yet is my have Xiaomi, Umidigi and other manufactures from that side of the world not been effect by all this stuff with the US?

    My thoughts would be if the government have been asking Huawei to but spying/data harvesting stuff in gear wouldn't they be asking all manufacturers?

    If they go after "all" it would over expose the falseness of the whole thing.