Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster
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@scottalanmiller said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
We have Cisco UCS blades
Bwahahaha.... not just UCS and not just blades, but both!
Yeah. . . I know. This was done long before I arrived, and will be there long after I leave
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@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
I know we have an HP 3Par as well as some other hardware, so I assume there's some redundancy with the storage piece, so we're not sitting on an IPOD
Almost anything can offer redundancy, most people choose things like 3PAR because they are old it based on being magic and not needing redundancy. It should be there, but that it is a 3PAR makes it less likely to be redundant, rather than more, I would wager.
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@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
Some storage device(s), which will provide the storage of the VMs for the physical nodes
No need for that. That's only if you want an IPOD design. Which for a lab is fine, to practice bad design.
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@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
Some method for the physical nodes to communicate with the storage device.
Also not needed, unless again, you want the IPOD design.
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@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
As I'm writing this, I realize I'm describing and IPOD, so an additional goal of this lab is to learn how to create my desired cluster, while avoiding an IPOD.
What your company has described, whether or not there is redundancy, and what you are describing IS an IPOD. IPOD doesn't imply single point of failure, it describes a top heavy architecture where the risk point and lack of robustness is the critical "point" of storage on the bottom.
The only way to avoid an IPOD is not to build one.
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@scottalanmiller said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
Some storage device(s), which will provide the storage of the VMs for the physical nodes
No need for that. That's only if you want an IPOD design. Which for a lab is fine, to practice bad design.
That's what I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around: Making shared storage available without the IPOD. Unless my initial premise is wrong "To do clustering you must have some form of shared storage."
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So, if the purpose is to build an IPOD (to learn how the people messed up at the office) then there is nothing to be done but to build one.
At a minimum you need two servers and a DAS unit. To do it more like the office, presumably you need two servers, a SAN, and a switch. To do it better, you would need redundant switches, and redundant SANs. All depends on your goals.
Because of their "vendor" based approach at the office, though, doing this at home isn't going to teach you a lot because you will likely use Hyper-V and a custom open SAN that you build. That won't teach you anything about VMware or 3PAR. Only way to learn those is to have those.
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@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
That's what I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around: Making shared storage available without the IPOD.
IPOD isn't the natural way to have shared storage. In your mind, as many people do because of marketing, the idea that storage is consolidated and external is just assumed, and that naturally leads you to an IPOD. Stop trying to consolidate and externalize as part of your sharing, and magically you go to hyperconvergence.
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@scottalanmiller said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
So, if the purpose is to build an IPOD (to learn how the people messed up at the office) then there is nothing to be done but to build one.
The goal is specifically to not do that. The short-term goal is to learn to build a cluster without an IPOD. The long-term goal is to learn and understand
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@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
The goal is specifically to not do that. The short-term goal is to learn to build a cluster without an IPOD.
That would be hyperconverged.
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@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
The long-term goal is to learn and understand $concepts to be able make intelligent decisions about when / how / why to use clustering (of hypervisors) in the real world.
Clustering is done when the cost of clustering is low versus the risk of not clustering.
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@scottalanmiller said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
The goal is specifically to not do that. The short-term goal is to learn to build a cluster without an IPOD.
That would be hyperconverged.
Is this how that would look with a two-node setup?
- Both node A and B would be running their hypervisors (for my lab, it's going to be Hyper-V or KVM)
- Both node A and B would have enough power to be able to handle all of the deployed VMs. The thought behind this is when Node A need to be rebooted, you evacuate Node A's VMs to Node B. This line of thought would not address how to handle the sudden loss of Node A, unless Node A and B are somehow constantly in sync.
- Communication between Node A and B would be done through a switch.
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@scottalanmiller said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
The long-term goal is to learn and understand $concepts to be able make intelligent decisions about when / how / why to use clustering (of hypervisors) in the real world.
Clustering is done when the cost of clustering is low versus the risk of not clustering.
I agree. I think of a healthcare environment such as a hospital being something where the likely cost of clustering is less than the cost of the risk of not having clustering -- since likely they can't be in a situation where say the EMR app isn't available.
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the real meaning of having a cluster. I see it like RAID. In your RAID 1, you have the one drive that fails, but you're not immediately down, nor are you waiting for something to fail over.
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@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
Is this how that would look with a two-node setup?
Node count only matters in a uni-node vs. multi-node perspective. And even then, not really.
You can hyperconverge with one node, two, three, four, ten, one thousand. Doesn't matter.
You can IPOD at any size, including one node, two, three, four, ten one thousand.
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@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
Both node A and B would have enough power to be able to handle all of the deployed VMs. The thought behind this is when Node A need to be rebooted, you evacuate Node A's VMs to Node B. This line of thought would not address how to handle the sudden loss of Node A, unless Node A and B are somehow constantly in sync.
This is a fine way to look at it. Just remember that your capacity planning here is based on high availability, not on hyperconvergence. HC doesn't require you to provide that level of capacity, HA does. If you want HC + HA, then this is the right way to capacity plan.
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@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
Communication between Node A and B would be done through a switch.
In a two node setup, that would not make sense. The switch is an unnecessary point of failure, cost, and point of latency. Just connect the two nodes directly together for a faster, more robust, cheaper solution.
Even with three nodes, you often direct connect all three. Four and larger, it's impractical to do anything but a switch.
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@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
I think of a healthcare environment such as a hospital being something where the likely cost of clustering is less than the cost of the risk of not having clustering -- since likely they can't be in a situation where say the EMR app isn't available.
Actually a hospital often can be without EMR. Not that it isn't good to cluster there, but the needs of an EMR rarely require HA. EMR isn't like the medical equipment itself, which can't fail or people die. EMR being down just delays a doctor somewhat. Bad, yes, but not life threatening.
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@scottalanmiller said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
Communication between Node A and B would be done through a switch.
In a two node setup, that would not make sense. The switch is an unnecessary point of failure, cost, and point of latency. Just connect the two nodes directly together for a faster, more robust, cheaper solution.
Even with three nodes, you often direct connect all three. Four and larger, it's impractical to do anything but a switch.
I'm thinking the connections being done through using Ethernet and forgot to consider just using cross-over cables to connect the nodes directly.
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@EddieJennings said in Infrastructure Needed for Hypervisor Cluster:
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the real meaning of having a cluster. I see it like RAID. In your RAID 1, you have the one drive that fails, but you're not immediately down, nor are you waiting for something to fail over.
Yes, but unlike RAID which is ridiculously cheap compared to what it protects against, clustering is very expensive compared to what it protects against.
Examples to come...
