Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019
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@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@bnrstnr said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@bnrstnr said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
Now we need an employee transition plan over the course of X amount of years and costs associated with that.
Wonder what that looks like?I just can't envision a scenario where a single payer system is any more complicated and less efficient than a system with thousands of private insurance providers... Maybe I'm looking at it all wrong though, I really don't know.
I don't think it could be more complicated but the answer you are given sure is final. You will be fixed or you will not.
Another question that has baffled me about this subject also is, if the foreign healthcare is so good, why would any foreigner come to the US? There would be no reason, correct? The patient would just hop to Canada, Mexico, or anywhere in Europe.
Like Scott said, we are the largest importers and also the largest exporters (I didn't fact check him...), so why are so many people leaving the US?
https://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Rand-Paul-Goes-to-Canada-for-Surgery/td-p/2102175
Pretty bad when our own politicians are leaving for foreign healthcare...I don't doubt the rich will go wherever the best doctor is. That explains that.
As with Scott's info, those individuals would not all be rich. If we are a large importer yet more expensive with less quality, what on gods green earth would be wrong with these people??
(In the words of Vinny Barbarino, "I'm SOO CONFUSED!")yeah - as I hear it - for more normal day to day care - you want to be nearly any place but the USA. But if you have cancer, or need an organ transplant - nearly the only place you want to be is the USA.
I'm not sure where the line is.
Heck I know that the old owner of this here forum was looking at going to the EU for a medical vacation to have surgery in Europe because the costs would be substantially less than in the US (I'm assuming she didn't have insurance).
You may have hit on something here. So for day to day, its possible we just have a supply vs demand issue? Hmmm...
As for those nasty issues, apparently the US comes through.
No - I mean maybe there is a supply issue, but no, that's not what I mean.
Scott had a story a few years ago about being in France, his kid was sick and they went to a doctor. the doc told Scott - she has XYZ, and normally, we'd simply tell the parent to take them home and let them rest for a few days - but since you're traveling, here was some meds.
This is a fundamental difference in care. In the US - we are pill pushers, etc. We don't seem to care about actually having our patients be healthy (likely because healthy patients don't have medical bills), instead we treat symptoms with drugs, drugs and more drugs.
and the patients are also going in demanding drugs...
Wait what? my kid is stick - going home and letting her rest isn't the answer she needs drugs NOW!It's a completely different relationship between patient and doctor - well, at least in that one case.
I also think Europeans at least have better diets than we Americans. They eat more real foods, less processed ones. Grocery store stops are a near daily thing in many places over there, stopping for fresh everything, again, not so much here.
I'm really curious what percentage they spend on food compared to us, household income wise? I'm curious of their food quality comparatively. etc...
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@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@bnrstnr said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@bnrstnr said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
Now we need an employee transition plan over the course of X amount of years and costs associated with that.
Wonder what that looks like?I just can't envision a scenario where a single payer system is any more complicated and less efficient than a system with thousands of private insurance providers... Maybe I'm looking at it all wrong though, I really don't know.
I don't think it could be more complicated but the answer you are given sure is final. You will be fixed or you will not.
Another question that has baffled me about this subject also is, if the foreign healthcare is so good, why would any foreigner come to the US? There would be no reason, correct? The patient would just hop to Canada, Mexico, or anywhere in Europe.
Like Scott said, we are the largest importers and also the largest exporters (I didn't fact check him...), so why are so many people leaving the US?
https://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Rand-Paul-Goes-to-Canada-for-Surgery/td-p/2102175
Pretty bad when our own politicians are leaving for foreign healthcare...I don't doubt the rich will go wherever the best doctor is. That explains that.
As with Scott's info, those individuals would not all be rich. If we are a large importer yet more expensive with less quality, what on gods green earth would be wrong with these people??
(In the words of Vinny Barbarino, "I'm SOO CONFUSED!")yeah - as I hear it - for more normal day to day care - you want to be nearly any place but the USA. But if you have cancer, or need an organ transplant - nearly the only place you want to be is the USA.
I'm not sure where the line is.
Heck I know that the old owner of this here forum was looking at going to the EU for a medical vacation to have surgery in Europe because the costs would be substantially less than in the US (I'm assuming she didn't have insurance).
You may have hit on something here. So for day to day, its possible we just have a supply vs demand issue? Hmmm...
As for those nasty issues, apparently the US comes through.
No - I mean maybe there is a supply issue, but no, that's not what I mean.
Scott had a story a few years ago about being in France, his kid was sick and they went to a doctor. the doc told Scott - she has XYZ, and normally, we'd simply tell the parent to take them home and let them rest for a few days - but since you're traveling, here was some meds.
This is a fundamental difference in care. In the US - we are pill pushers, etc. We don't seem to care about actually having our patients be healthy (likely because healthy patients don't have medical bills), instead we treat symptoms with drugs, drugs and more drugs.
and the patients are also going in demanding drugs...
Wait what? my kid is stick - going home and letting her rest isn't the answer she needs drugs NOW!It's a completely different relationship between patient and doctor - well, at least in that one case.
I also think Europeans at least have better diets than we Americans. They eat more real foods, less processed ones. Grocery store stops are a near daily thing in many places over there, stopping for fresh everything, again, not so much here.
I'm really curious what percentage they spend on food compared to us, household income wise? I'm curious of their food quality comparatively. etc...
No doubt we are pill pushers. I can't stand taking them. Unless forced, I don't understand why people go that route. Have a few of those here at work.
As for diets of each country's citizens, That is #2 on the list of reason for healthcare issues. It is also the mentality of their citizens also. Just look at the restaurant landscape. Enough said.
My #1 reason, which many will always disagree with is, predisposition.
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@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@bnrstnr said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@bnrstnr said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
Now we need an employee transition plan over the course of X amount of years and costs associated with that.
Wonder what that looks like?I just can't envision a scenario where a single payer system is any more complicated and less efficient than a system with thousands of private insurance providers... Maybe I'm looking at it all wrong though, I really don't know.
I don't think it could be more complicated but the answer you are given sure is final. You will be fixed or you will not.
Another question that has baffled me about this subject also is, if the foreign healthcare is so good, why would any foreigner come to the US? There would be no reason, correct? The patient would just hop to Canada, Mexico, or anywhere in Europe.
Like Scott said, we are the largest importers and also the largest exporters (I didn't fact check him...), so why are so many people leaving the US?
https://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Rand-Paul-Goes-to-Canada-for-Surgery/td-p/2102175
Pretty bad when our own politicians are leaving for foreign healthcare...I don't doubt the rich will go wherever the best doctor is. That explains that.
As with Scott's info, those individuals would not all be rich. If we are a large importer yet more expensive with less quality, what on gods green earth would be wrong with these people??
(In the words of Vinny Barbarino, "I'm SOO CONFUSED!")yeah - as I hear it - for more normal day to day care - you want to be nearly any place but the USA. But if you have cancer, or need an organ transplant - nearly the only place you want to be is the USA.
I'm not sure where the line is.
Heck I know that the old owner of this here forum was looking at going to the EU for a medical vacation to have surgery in Europe because the costs would be substantially less than in the US (I'm assuming she didn't have insurance).
You may have hit on something here. So for day to day, its possible we just have a supply vs demand issue? Hmmm...
As for those nasty issues, apparently the US comes through.
No - I mean maybe there is a supply issue, but no, that's not what I mean.
Scott had a story a few years ago about being in France, his kid was sick and they went to a doctor. the doc told Scott - she has XYZ, and normally, we'd simply tell the parent to take them home and let them rest for a few days - but since you're traveling, here was some meds.
This is a fundamental difference in care. In the US - we are pill pushers, etc. We don't seem to care about actually having our patients be healthy (likely because healthy patients don't have medical bills), instead we treat symptoms with drugs, drugs and more drugs.
and the patients are also going in demanding drugs...
Wait what? my kid is stick - going home and letting her rest isn't the answer she needs drugs NOW!It's a completely different relationship between patient and doctor - well, at least in that one case.
I also think Europeans at least have better diets than we Americans. They eat more real foods, less processed ones. Grocery store stops are a near daily thing in many places over there, stopping for fresh everything, again, not so much here.
I'm really curious what percentage they spend on food compared to us, household income wise? I'm curious of their food quality comparatively. etc...
No doubt we are pill pushers. I can't stand taking them. Unless forced, I don't understand why people go that route. Have a few of those here at work.
As for diets of each country's citizens, That is #2 on the list of reason for healthcare issues. It is also the mentality of their citizens also. Just look at the restaurant landscape. Enough said.
My #1 reason, which many will always disagree with is, predisposition.
I'll agree that we as humans are predisposed to be lazy, and that will drive many of our decisions - bad eating, bad healthcare.
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@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@bnrstnr said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@bnrstnr said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
Now we need an employee transition plan over the course of X amount of years and costs associated with that.
Wonder what that looks like?I just can't envision a scenario where a single payer system is any more complicated and less efficient than a system with thousands of private insurance providers... Maybe I'm looking at it all wrong though, I really don't know.
I don't think it could be more complicated but the answer you are given sure is final. You will be fixed or you will not.
Another question that has baffled me about this subject also is, if the foreign healthcare is so good, why would any foreigner come to the US? There would be no reason, correct? The patient would just hop to Canada, Mexico, or anywhere in Europe.
Like Scott said, we are the largest importers and also the largest exporters (I didn't fact check him...), so why are so many people leaving the US?
https://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Rand-Paul-Goes-to-Canada-for-Surgery/td-p/2102175
Pretty bad when our own politicians are leaving for foreign healthcare...I don't doubt the rich will go wherever the best doctor is. That explains that.
As with Scott's info, those individuals would not all be rich. If we are a large importer yet more expensive with less quality, what on gods green earth would be wrong with these people??
(In the words of Vinny Barbarino, "I'm SOO CONFUSED!")yeah - as I hear it - for more normal day to day care - you want to be nearly any place but the USA. But if you have cancer, or need an organ transplant - nearly the only place you want to be is the USA.
I'm not sure where the line is.
Heck I know that the old owner of this here forum was looking at going to the EU for a medical vacation to have surgery in Europe because the costs would be substantially less than in the US (I'm assuming she didn't have insurance).
You may have hit on something here. So for day to day, its possible we just have a supply vs demand issue? Hmmm...
As for those nasty issues, apparently the US comes through.
No - I mean maybe there is a supply issue, but no, that's not what I mean.
Scott had a story a few years ago about being in France, his kid was sick and they went to a doctor. the doc told Scott - she has XYZ, and normally, we'd simply tell the parent to take them home and let them rest for a few days - but since you're traveling, here was some meds.
This is a fundamental difference in care. In the US - we are pill pushers, etc. We don't seem to care about actually having our patients be healthy (likely because healthy patients don't have medical bills), instead we treat symptoms with drugs, drugs and more drugs.
and the patients are also going in demanding drugs...
Wait what? my kid is stick - going home and letting her rest isn't the answer she needs drugs NOW!It's a completely different relationship between patient and doctor - well, at least in that one case.
I also think Europeans at least have better diets than we Americans. They eat more real foods, less processed ones. Grocery store stops are a near daily thing in many places over there, stopping for fresh everything, again, not so much here.
I'm really curious what percentage they spend on food compared to us, household income wise? I'm curious of their food quality comparatively. etc...
No doubt we are pill pushers. I can't stand taking them. Unless forced, I don't understand why people go that route. Have a few of those here at work.
As for diets of each country's citizens, That is #2 on the list of reason for healthcare issues. It is also the mentality of their citizens also. Just look at the restaurant landscape. Enough said.
My #1 reason, which many will always disagree with is, predisposition.
I'll agree that we as humans are predisposed to be lazy, and that will drive many of our decisions - bad eating, bad healthcare.
Partially true.
What is bad for one person is not always bad for all. Look at the simple egg. Helper and killer at the same time. -
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
Scott had a story a few years ago about being in France, his kid was sick and they went to a doctor. the doc told Scott - she has XYZ, and normally, we'd simply tell the parent to take them home and let them rest for a few days - but since you're traveling, here was some meds.
Plus the doctor visit was free, they saw us immediately, and the amoxicillin was just $14!
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@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
I also think Europeans at least have better diets than we Americans.
Not just Europeans. Basically the US and Mexico have the unhealthiest diets in the world. Everyone eats better than we do, on average (of those who have enough food.)
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@scottalanmiller said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
I also think Europeans at least have better diets than we Americans.
Not just Europeans. Basically the US and Mexico have the unhealthiest diets in the world. Everyone eats better than we do, on average (of those who have enough food.)
Also, some of the bad ingredients are simply illegal to use in food here.
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@Obsolesce said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
I also think Europeans at least have better diets than we Americans.
Not just Europeans. Basically the US and Mexico have the unhealthiest diets in the world. Everyone eats better than we do, on average (of those who have enough food.)
Also, some of the bad ingredients are simply illegal to use in food here.
Like what? you mean the pre-packaged chemicals for anti-spoilage? I'd be OK with that... though, my wife wouldn't be - she hates the grocery store, frankly I can't believe she has signed up for in home delivery of groceries or order ahead they bring to your car, groceries.
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@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Obsolesce said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
I also think Europeans at least have better diets than we Americans.
Not just Europeans. Basically the US and Mexico have the unhealthiest diets in the world. Everyone eats better than we do, on average (of those who have enough food.)
Also, some of the bad ingredients are simply illegal to use in food here.
Like what? you mean the pre-packaged chemicals for anti-spoilage? I'd be OK with that... though, my wife wouldn't be - she hates the grocery store, frankly I can't believe she has signed up for in home delivery of groceries or order ahead they bring to your car, groceries.
One big one off the top of my head is high fructose corn syrup
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@Obsolesce said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Obsolesce said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
I also think Europeans at least have better diets than we Americans.
Not just Europeans. Basically the US and Mexico have the unhealthiest diets in the world. Everyone eats better than we do, on average (of those who have enough food.)
Also, some of the bad ingredients are simply illegal to use in food here.
Like what? you mean the pre-packaged chemicals for anti-spoilage? I'd be OK with that... though, my wife wouldn't be - she hates the grocery store, frankly I can't believe she has signed up for in home delivery of groceries or order ahead they bring to your car, groceries.
One big one off the top of my head is high fructose corn syrup
Just did a quick google search and it popped this up from livingstrong website.
"Contrary to common opinion, high fructose corn syrup isn't banned in Europe. Referred to as isoglucose or glucose-fructose syrup in this region, use of high fructose corn syrup is restricted because it's under a production quota.''
It would be nice if it was limited in the US.
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@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Obsolesce said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Obsolesce said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
I also think Europeans at least have better diets than we Americans.
Not just Europeans. Basically the US and Mexico have the unhealthiest diets in the world. Everyone eats better than we do, on average (of those who have enough food.)
Also, some of the bad ingredients are simply illegal to use in food here.
Like what? you mean the pre-packaged chemicals for anti-spoilage? I'd be OK with that... though, my wife wouldn't be - she hates the grocery store, frankly I can't believe she has signed up for in home delivery of groceries or order ahead they bring to your car, groceries.
One big one off the top of my head is high fructose corn syrup
Just did a quick google search and it popped this up from livingstrong website.
"Contrary to common opinion, high fructose corn syrup isn't banned in Europe. Referred to as isoglucose or glucose-fructose syrup in this region, use of high fructose corn syrup is restricted because it's under a production quota.''
It would be nice if it was limited in the US.
I was referring to Sweden specifically, though. But there are others.
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@Obsolesce said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@pmoncho said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Obsolesce said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Obsolesce said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
@Dashrender said in Top Ten Happiest Places on Earth in 2019:
I also think Europeans at least have better diets than we Americans.
Not just Europeans. Basically the US and Mexico have the unhealthiest diets in the world. Everyone eats better than we do, on average (of those who have enough food.)
Also, some of the bad ingredients are simply illegal to use in food here.
Like what? you mean the pre-packaged chemicals for anti-spoilage? I'd be OK with that... though, my wife wouldn't be - she hates the grocery store, frankly I can't believe she has signed up for in home delivery of groceries or order ahead they bring to your car, groceries.
One big one off the top of my head is high fructose corn syrup
Just did a quick google search and it popped this up from livingstrong website.
"Contrary to common opinion, high fructose corn syrup isn't banned in Europe. Referred to as isoglucose or glucose-fructose syrup in this region, use of high fructose corn syrup is restricted because it's under a production quota.''
It would be nice if it was limited in the US.
I was referring to Sweden specifically, though. But there are others.
1.3% difference - that really doesn't seem like that much.
