MS's plans for Windows 10?
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@siringo said in MS's plans for Windows 10?:
@scottalanmiller said in MS's plans for Windows 10?:
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@JaredBusch said in MS's plans for Windows 10?:
The bigger problem is why are they on Windows 7? You said these are 4 years old. That was 2015. Windows 10 had been out for years at that point.
Were they OEM purchased computers? Then install Windows 10 on them, as they are licensed for it already.
This is a client with no inhouse IT support and in a rural area, so the decision was made to give them what they already knew.
I think that that tends to make things worse rather than better. It makes them become not just dependent on Windows, but dependent on a specific version. So instead of having them gradually learn and adapt over time to small, incremental changes they instead get whopping amounts of time on a non-evolving version and then follow that with a huge fork lift to a drastically new version.
It both increases the shock of the change by making the change bigger when it comes, it also causes more "settling in" to one thing that normally would not happen.
Yep, I understand what you're talking about, but as with everything each situation needs to be supplied with it's own solution.
The reasoning was, give them W7 as that's what they're familiar with. Then, in a few years when W7 reaches end of life, it was expected that at least 50% of the staff will have had hands on experience, or at least seen W10 via personal devices, friends, schooling etc, thereby reducing the learning curve of a new OS. Also, there would be staff onsite that could at least help others with basic W10 support.
It's also expected that this will remove very basic support requests.
As it turns out, this is exactly what has happened. I'm not concerned that the client's staff will have trouble with W10 as over the past few years I've put a few W10 PCs in as others have died, some staff now have W10 laptops etc. Whereas if I had put W10 in back then, I was concerned.
I ripped the bandaid - I picked a department and moved them to Window 10 1511. They never really had much of an issue. After a few months I started upgrading the rest of the company - wanted to upgrade the entire company before the 1 year anniversary of Windows 10 so we could get the free upgrade - and I did. Sadly I did have to leave 4 computers behind on Windows 7 for an application issue, but that was pretty minor.
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@Dashrender said in MS's plans for Windows 10?:
@siringo said in MS's plans for Windows 10?:
@scottalanmiller said in MS's plans for Windows 10?:
@siringo said in MS's plans for Windows 10?:
@JaredBusch said in MS's plans for Windows 10?:
The bigger problem is why are they on Windows 7? You said these are 4 years old. That was 2015. Windows 10 had been out for years at that point.
Were they OEM purchased computers? Then install Windows 10 on them, as they are licensed for it already.
This is a client with no inhouse IT support and in a rural area, so the decision was made to give them what they already knew.
I think that that tends to make things worse rather than better. It makes them become not just dependent on Windows, but dependent on a specific version. So instead of having them gradually learn and adapt over time to small, incremental changes they instead get whopping amounts of time on a non-evolving version and then follow that with a huge fork lift to a drastically new version.
It both increases the shock of the change by making the change bigger when it comes, it also causes more "settling in" to one thing that normally would not happen.
Yep, I understand what you're talking about, but as with everything each situation needs to be supplied with it's own solution.
The reasoning was, give them W7 as that's what they're familiar with. Then, in a few years when W7 reaches end of life, it was expected that at least 50% of the staff will have had hands on experience, or at least seen W10 via personal devices, friends, schooling etc, thereby reducing the learning curve of a new OS. Also, there would be staff onsite that could at least help others with basic W10 support.
It's also expected that this will remove very basic support requests.
As it turns out, this is exactly what has happened. I'm not concerned that the client's staff will have trouble with W10 as over the past few years I've put a few W10 PCs in as others have died, some staff now have W10 laptops etc. Whereas if I had put W10 in back then, I was concerned.
I ripped the bandaid - I picked a department and moved them to Window 10 1511. They never really had much of an issue. After a few months I started upgrading the rest of the company - wanted to upgrade the entire company before the 1 year anniversary of Windows 10 so we could get the free upgrade - and I did. Sadly I did have to leave 4 computers behind on Windows 7 for an application issue, but that was pretty minor.
Mind you - I only upgraded them to Windows 10 because it was free for the license - of course my time isn't free - but I'm on staff, so - yeah yeah yeah.. whatever.
But I've never before upgraded Windows at a corporate level because MS released a new (Paid) upgrade. Most businesses simply don't do that - no matter what Scott says, thinks or otherwise. They stick with the OS that the hardware came with, and upgrade their OS based on their hardware Refresh cycle.
Another reason I upgraded to Windows 10 is that I'm hoping that my hardware will last longer than Windows 7's EOL date. Granted it won't be much longer after the EOL that Windows 7 machines will likely last - Windows 7 stopped being sold as the primary in Oct 2012 with the release of Windows 8, so if you have a Windows 7 only licensed machine - that's some old ass shit... and Windows 7's EOL will make the computer 8+ years old... yeah, likely time to replace.
If your machines came with Windows 8 (or 8.1) which seems likely because of the stated age of the devices (or they could be Windows 10 licensed if they are under 4 years old), you could upgrade the current devices to Windows 8.1 and live there until 2022 - which will hopefully be after a scheduled hardware replacement, at which time you'll get a Windows 10 license on your new machine.
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@Dashrender said in MS's plans for Windows 10?:
WAT? Windows 10 was released in July 2015, so if he purchased them in March of 2015, no they wouldn't have Windows 10 rights. If he purchased them post July 2015, then maybe, but not 100%, it will have rights for Windows 10 - many manufacturers sold Windows 7 licenses only after the release of Windows 10.
Everyone had full upgrade rights, no complications, for quite a while when first released. Even if your current OS was older.
