New Infrastructure to Replace Scale Cluster



  • OK, Sorry So, Here is there deal. I have a scale cluster that I can't manage. It is 3 years old and the support contract is not affordable, I am a small business. I have no way to maintain it. So I want to build something That I can manage and administer etc. I have 3 Dell R710, That I would Like to setup. I have a D2D4324 - G2 with 96gb for ram and 20tb..

    Thats what I am trying to do I dont like shared storage. Its a single point of failure.



  • @mroth911 said in Ovirt:

    OK, Sorry So, Here is there deal. I have a scale cluster that I can't manage. It is 3 years old and the support contract is not affordable, I am a small business. I have no way to maintain it. So I want to build something That I can manage and administer etc. I have 3 Dell R710, That I would Like to setup. I have a D2D4324 - G2 with 96gb for ram and 20tb..

    Thats what I am trying to do I dont like shared storage. Its a single point of failure.

    The support contact on the Scale is that much more than the support contact on new servers? Or even the extended warranty on the scale servers - assuming Dell will let you get it directly? Or is the plan to run with no warranty support from the hardware vendor at all?



  • the specs for the dell servers are 2 quad core each have 64gb of ram and 4tb of space.



  • @Dashrender No warranty on hardware. I am not big enough to get contracts etc.



  • @mroth911 said in Ovirt:

    @Dashrender No warranty on hardware. I am not big enough to get contracts etc.

    Do you need to host this yourself then? Any chance you can use Vultr or any of the other IPSs we talk about around here?



  • I'm assuming you require HA from a Scale type offering and that is why you are looking at oVirt. But I'm just confirming that you actually require this.

    Since you said you're so small that you can't get support.



  • @Dashrender Yeah I host everything myself. I have a 42U in my office with 500mb fiber. and 30 static



  • @DustinB3403 yes that is correct. I have a scale cluster already 1150. But its 3 years old. Harddrives are failing. And I cant manage it at all. It just runs and that's it.

    Afraid if it craps out I am screwed.



  • @JaredBusch said in Ovirt:

    @DustinB3403 said in Ovirt:

    I'm assuming you require HA from a Scale type offering and that is why you are looking at oVirt. But I'm just confirming that you actually require this.

    Since you said you're so small that you can't get support.

    Thanks for fucking up another thread.

    @scottalanmiller can you split this.

    What the fuck are you on about. He has a scale solution today, and is needing to move to oVirt because he can't afford the support.

    Hence the question, do you actually require HA?



  • @mroth911 said in Ovirt:

    @DustinB3403 yes that is correct. I have a scale cluster already 1150. But its 3 years old. Harddrives are failing. And I cant manage it at all. It just runs and that's it.

    Afraid if it craps out I am screwed.

    Why can't you manage the Scale cluster? The demos I've seen seem to make it super simple. Didn't seem that hard to manage.

    If it's failing drives - buy the drives direct from the manufacturer, done.



  • @mroth911 said in Ovirt:

    @DustinB3403 yes that is correct. I have a scale cluster already 1150. But its 3 years old. Harddrives are failing. And I cant manage it at all. It just runs and that's it.

    Afraid if it craps out I am screwed.

    So to ask a few questions.

    • what about the scale system are you unable to support?
    • is cost the only thing that makes the scale system unsupportable?
    • if you are concerned about the scale solution dieing and support issues for that, how does moving to oVirt fix those concerns besides support contracts?


  • @DustinB3403 said in Ovirt:

    @mroth911 said in Ovirt:

    @DustinB3403 yes that is correct. I have a scale cluster already 1150. But its 3 years old. Harddrives are failing. And I cant manage it at all. It just runs and that's it.

    Afraid if it craps out I am screwed.

    So to ask a few questions.

    • what about the scale system are you unable to support?
    • is cost the only thing that makes the scale system unsupportable?
    • if you are concerned about the scale solution dieing and support issues for that, how does moving to oVirt fix those concerns besides support contracts?

    Thanks for making my point.



  • @Dashrender said in Ovirt:

    If it's failing drives - buy the drives direct from the manufacturer, done

    Exactly my thought, and my question relates directly to the obvious answer. Scale uses hardware raid. So replacing the drives should be the easy part.

    @ScaleLegion if a support contract ends do your customers lose access to system updates? Or do they lose access to the Scale team?



  • @DustinB3403 said in Ovirt:

    So to ask a few questions.

    what about the scale system are you unable to support?
    So here was a situation that I had, A hard drive failed and the system wouldn't recognize the new harddrive I put in. So I had to call them to do something in the backend to active port 2 to reanalyze and make the drive active
    is cost the only thing that makes the scale system unsupportable?
    Yes cost I want to know commands to make sure if something goes wrong I can fix it.

    if you are concerned about the scale solution dieing and support issues for that, how does moving to oVirt fix those concerns besides support contracts?

    I would build it and know the bones and how it function. Beside the hardware I will know how. to fix things if it breaks.m



  • @mroth911 said in Ovirt:

    @DustinB3403 said in Ovirt:

    So to ask a few questions.

    what about the scale system are you unable to support?
    So here was a situation that I had, A hard drive failed and the system wouldn't recognize the new harddrive I put in. So I had to call them to do something in the backend to active port 2 to reanalyze and make the drive active
    is cost the only thing that makes the scale system unsupportable?
    Yes cost I want to know commands to make sure if something goes wrong I can fix it.

    if you are concerned about the scale solution dieing and support issues for that, how does moving to oVirt fix those concerns besides support contracts?

    I would build it and know the bones and how it function. Beside the hardware I will know how. to fix things if it breaks.m

    But no one else will. So the company is in the same place they are now.



  • @JaredBusch Its all me with my company.



  • Posted for formatting

    @mroth911 said in Ovirt:

    @DustinB3403 said in Ovirt:
    So to ask a few questions.

    what about the scale system are you unable to support?

    So here was a situation that I had, A hard drive failed and the system wouldn't recognize the new harddrive I put in. So I had to call them to do something in the backend to active port 2 to reanalyze and make the drive active

    is cost the only thing that makes the scale system unsupportable?

    Yes cost I want to know commands to make sure if something goes wrong I can fix it.

    if you are concerned about the scale solution dieing and support issues for that, how does moving to oVirt fix those concerns besides support contracts?

    I would build it and know the bones and how it function. Beside the hardware I will know how. to fix things if it breaks.m



  • @mroth911 said in Ovirt:

    @JaredBusch Its all me with my company.

    So this is for your own personal business.

    To ask the question again, does your own personal business actually require HA? Or would Near-HA be good enough?



  • @mroth911 said in Ovirt:

    @DustinB3403 said in Ovirt:

    So to ask a few questions.

    what about the scale system are you unable to support?
    So here was a situation that I had, A hard drive failed and the system wouldn't recognize the new harddrive I put in. So I had to call them to do something in the backend to active port 2 to reanalyze and make the drive active
    is cost the only thing that makes the scale system unsupportable?
    Yes cost I want to know commands to make sure if something goes wrong I can fix it.

    if you are concerned about the scale solution dieing and support issues for that, how does moving to oVirt fix those concerns besides support contracts?

    I would build it and know the bones and how it function. Beside the hardware I will know how. to fix things if it breaks.m

    I don't consider this reasonable. Unless you already know oVirt very well - you'll be learning while you have outages. Which means your outages will be longer than they need to be while you're learning - or, you'll be paying someone to help you fix it fast.

    Of course this is your option, but it seems like the wrong place to spend you time. What is your business? Web deving? or providing hosting? or both?

    I know Scott does both with Hostadillo - but he doesn't use his own hardware - he offloads that to Vultr. It's not worth his time/effort, etc to manage the hardware. He resells Vultr(or others) hosting while also selling web deving.



  • To ask the question again, does your own personal business actually require HA? Or would Near-HA be good enough?

    I would like the avaliblity that if one server goes off, the whole things doesn't shit the bed.

    Running web servers, PBX Servers, Jira server, DC's

    and some other custom stuff for doctors to get into .



  • @Dashrender said in Ovirt

    I do both, and it just seems easier when I have build an application, or custom dev, I can just spin up a machine in my own environment and do what I need to do. plus I have all this equipment already.



  • @mroth911 said in Ovirt:

    To ask the question again, does your own personal business actually require HA? Or would Near-HA be good enough?

    I would like the avaliblity that if one server goes off, the whole things doesn't shit the bed.

    Running web servers, PBX Servers, Jira server, DC's

    and some other custom stuff for doctors to get into .

    Okay so you can do this with 2, 3 or 100 hosts and not need hyperconvergence. Pooling in Hyper-V, XCP-ng and even ESXi (but cost licensing) all allow your VMs to migrate in the event of an outage.



  • KVM also has this option but I've not gone through and set it up here.



  • @mroth911 said in Ovirt:

    @Dashrender said in Ovirt

    I do both, and it just seems easier when I have build an application, or custom dev, I can just spin up a machine in my own environment and do what I need to do. plus I have all this equipment already.

    But it's not. It's just as easy to spin up a machine in Vultr, etc.



  • @Dashrender said in Ovirt:

    @mroth911 said in Ovirt:

    @Dashrender said in Ovirt

    I do both, and it just seems easier when I have build an application, or custom dev, I can just spin up a machine in my own environment and do what I need to do. plus I have all this equipment already.

    But it's not. It's just as easy to spin up a machine in Vultr, etc.

    And not ever have to look at or manage any hardware.



  • The obvious issue we have here is Sunk Cost Fallacy.

    You already have all of that current infrastructure, and you don't want to loose the value in that investment. I get that. But likely, your best bet is to let it go - Sell it - sell it now, fast! get as much money for it as you can, and move your hosting to a solution like Vultr.

    You can also kill that huge internet pipe you have, go to something cheap for your location. Internet will be included in the price of the hosting at Vultr.



  • So @mroth911 oVirt is likely a really great option if you required a hyperconverged infrastructure. From the sounds of it though, you don't.

    Going with that premise, why not using XCP-ng and XO, create a pool out of your three hosts? If any host goes offline the VMs get migrated to another host within the pool.

    You might have a minute of downtime while this occurs, but this amount of downtime doesn't appear to be unacceptable based on this topic alone where you are wanting to learn how to setup and manage oVirt for your business.



  • @DustinB3403 said in Ovirt:

    XCP-ng

    I really want a product that works and can be put in productions. I have 24 cpanel servers that I cant have go offline.



  • @mroth911 said in Ovirt:

    Thats what I am trying to do I dont like shared storage. Its a single point of failure.

    No, it is not. It's what protects you against single points of failure.

    You should never "like" or "dislike" things in IT. You should evaluate them logically, not emotionally. Disliking basic building blocks of systems causes big issues.

    Imagine "disliking" hyperthreading or "if" statements! You can't refuse to use basic technological concepts necessary for standard computing.



  • @scottalanmiller understood