VM Suggestions? Best Practice?
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@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
- That you need it in "some form" in no way implies you need it to be the base on the laptop.
- Are you sure that that remote tools requires or even favours Windows?
It requires windows according to developers ( I have customers who use it as well as us only for their sites that us MacOS but have to spin up a windows 10 VM to run it)
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@hobbit666 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
For my own info.
If we went the KVM router. How would this look & get installed?- Install CentOS/Fedora etc with minimum install and a GUI.
- Enable KVM bit (Virtualization role I think?)
- Then use either Cockpit or Virt-Manager to create and "hop" into the consoles of the VM's to use them
@DustinB3403 Just answered it as I posted
:see-no-evil_monkey: :see-no-evil_monkey:I'd definitely not use CentOS, don't even mention it. Fedora or Ubuntu current, only. Nothing else, never an LTS. This is a desktop.
Not minimal at all. Pick the spin you want (Cinnamon for me, Gnome for many, whatever you like) and install the full workstation. This is his desktop, he wants it to act like a nice, gorgeous, robust desktop.
Install KVM, yes. No Cockpit, that's for server people. Use the Virtual Machine Manager or Boxes to manage KVM here.
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@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
Nothing in either case means you can't have windows. The question is do you need it as the primary desktop or can it be run sas a VM for times that you need windows?
It can run as a VM for when i need it.
That means "you don't need Windows 10 on the laptop", it will be just as good on KVM.
sure, After I upgrade ram and SSD - No?
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@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
Sure, telling me to leave for a while. But I'm Still learning and trying to soak up as much as I can, I'm in no position to leave,
This is illogical and makes no sense. You are not soaking up knowledge, you are trying to learn while fighting against a sea of misinformation. You have no teachers, no mentors, and no good technology there. This job is stalling your career, not helping you get ready for the next job.
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@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
Nothing in either case means you can't have windows. The question is do you need it as the primary desktop or can it be run sas a VM for times that you need windows?
It can run as a VM for when i need it.
That means "you don't need Windows 10 on the laptop", it will be just as good on KVM.
sure, After I upgrade ram and SSD - No?
That depends on if you can even upgrade these. What laptop did you buy?
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
Nothing in either case means you can't have windows. The question is do you need it as the primary desktop or can it be run sas a VM for times that you need windows?
It can run as a VM for when i need it.
That means "you don't need Windows 10 on the laptop", it will be just as good on KVM.
sure, After I upgrade ram and SSD - No?
That depends on if you can even upgrade these. What laptop did you buy?
Acer ASpire 1 - 4GB RAM, 32 GB Storage .
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@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
regardless of the politics I enjoy the job I'm doing and helping people, and even if my boss doesnt want smarter employees, that doesnt stop me from Being the hardest working and most involved- it especially doesn't stop me from learning and pushing to learn new things.
No, it just stops you from getting the benefits to yourself and your career that a better job would do. You earn less today, and will earn less forever, as it moves your career success curve to the right and reduces the total area under the curve that you can amass during your career. You are having an emotional reaction to something that should be seen only with logic. The current job is hampering you. And career retardation is something that impacts you for the entire length of your career, it's not a temporary thing.
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@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
Fedora 27? 26?
You never, ever intentionally install anything old (unless you are fixing a known break - and in that case you need to consider a lot more than just which version.) You never need a version number, because you always download and install what is available today (that's Fedora 29.) Once 29 is out, 28 and everything older are dead to you. They are the same OS you have today, just not updated. The only reason you ever need to know the version number is for discussing it, recording what level it was at in a journal to make records, or to verify that your ISO download is current.
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@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
- That you need it in "some form" in no way implies you need it to be the base on the laptop.
- Are you sure that that remote tools requires or even favours Windows?
It requires windows according to developers ( I have customers who use it as well as us only for their sites that us MacOS but have to spin up a windows 10 VM to run it)
Time for some MeshCentral!
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@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
- That you need it in "some form" in no way implies you need it to be the base on the laptop.
- Are you sure that that remote tools requires or even favours Windows?
It requires windows according to developers ( I have customers who use it as well as us only for their sites that us MacOS but have to spin up a windows 10 VM to run it)
Try it with Wine. Good chance it doesn't need Windows at all.
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@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
Nothing in either case means you can't have windows. The question is do you need it as the primary desktop or can it be run sas a VM for times that you need windows?
It can run as a VM for when i need it.
That means "you don't need Windows 10 on the laptop", it will be just as good on KVM.
sure, After I upgrade ram and SSD - No?
Definitely upgrade them, but no reason to wait. But lots of reasons not to wait. At least on the RAM. but why not install on the old, smaller drive while you wait so that you can learn it some before the rest arrives?
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@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
Nothing in either case means you can't have windows. The question is do you need it as the primary desktop or can it be run sas a VM for times that you need windows?
It can run as a VM for when i need it.
That means "you don't need Windows 10 on the laptop", it will be just as good on KVM.
sure, After I upgrade ram and SSD - No?
That depends on if you can even upgrade these. What laptop did you buy?
Acer ASpire 1 - 4GB RAM, 32 GB Storage .
4GB of RAM? Ouch. Those look like specs for Chromebook, Windows will barely limp at 4GB. And 32GB of storage, can Windows even work in that little? I tend to see 80GB as the minimum to function with Windows and we have customers with their Windows 7 installs at 160GB from all of the crap that Windows accumulates!
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The model you got is below any available model from Acer today. Must be an older one. Looks like this is probably a Celeron N4000 processor? This thing is going to be PAINFUL. This is way, way below the level of machines we normally throw out. I've thrown out 3-4 laptops with 300% the power of these just this month.
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@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
Nothing in either case means you can't have windows. The question is do you need it as the primary desktop or can it be run sas a VM for times that you need windows?
It can run as a VM for when i need it.
That means "you don't need Windows 10 on the laptop", it will be just as good on KVM.
sure, After I upgrade ram and SSD - No?
That depends on if you can even upgrade these. What laptop did you buy?
Acer ASpire 1 - 4GB RAM, 32 GB Storage .
4GB of RAM? Ouch. Those look like specs for Chromebook, Windows will barely limp at 4GB. And 32GB of storage, can Windows even work in that little? I tend to see 80GB as the minimum to function with Windows and we have customers with their Windows 7 installs at 160GB from all of the crap that Windows accumulates!
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@WrCombs that thing is a joke and a half.
To run Windows 10 this just barely meets the minimal requirements.
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs that thing is a joke and a half.
To run Windows 10 this just barely meets the minimal requirements.
Good to know - cause its on the way to my house.
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The RAM and SSD are soldered into place as well. So you can't upgrade it.
I'd say return this unit and look at something else.
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
The RAM and SSD are soldered into place as well. So you can't upgrade it.
Wonderful
I'd say return this unit and look at something else.
Guess I will have to.
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It sounds like you're on a super tight budget. So you might be better off getting an older laptop that can be upgraded with more RAM and a better SSD.
You can deal with a slower CPU so long as it is "modern", current would be great but it seems like that is out of the price range you were previously looking to spend.
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@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
You mentioned you're using Windows on the desktop - use Hyper-V in Windows 10 Pro. Hopefully your boss didn't cheap out and get you a laptop with Windows 10 Home on it.
You also likely want at least 16 GB of RAM so you make sure you have plenty to share between your VMs and the main Windows 10 host OS.
You can download the trial version of Windows 10 and Windows Server to setup a lab environment in your VM setup on your machine.
The other issue you're likely to run into today is disk space. Windows 10 like 40+ GB of space, so your base(host) OS will need a min of 40 GB, and each new VM will likely want that much as well. I'd see about getting a 512 GB SSD in your new laptop if possible - you could even replace whatever it comes with an aftermarket drive if needed, they are getting pretty cheap now.
so upgrade Ram - get a Larger SSD and set up Hyper-v to run Vm's .
Sweet.
You have Pro?
yes, The laptop I am getting is Windows 10 Pro.
"Am getting?"
Why are you getting Pro for home? Home lab AD use?
Okay - Just looked at the amazon order - It is Windows 10 home (which is frustrating cause I thought it said pro)
"Am getting" as in in the mail - potentially going to be there tonight by 8:00 pm according to the Order tracking.,Home makes more sense. Why have Pro at home unless you plan to do AD testing? If I was building an AD lab that was a permanent fixture of my home (and I have), then Pro all day, every day. If not, don't. It's just wasted money.
Sometimes the machine you want just comes with Pro. So you end up with it.. Clearly not his case though.
