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    Thinking of starting a home minecraft server

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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @Donahue
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      @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

      only because I don't want to lose a valid windows 10 installation unless I do it on purpose.

      HUH? That's sunk cost thinking.

      You're making this into a server, then do what makes it sing as a server best. Installing Windows 10, then using Hyper-V on (actually likely under) windows 10, you still can't turn off the Win10 VM, so you'll be giving up resources to it for no reason.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender
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        Plus, you could always install normal Hyper-V, then make a Windows 10 VM on that box if you needed it. You're license would still be valid because you're running it on that hardware.

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        • DonahueD
          Donahue
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          @Dashrender said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

          @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

          only because I don't want to lose a valid windows 10 installation unless I do it on purpose.

          HUH? That's sunk cost thinking.

          You're making this into a server, then do what makes it sing as a server best. Installing Windows 10, then using Hyper-V on (actually likely under) windows 10, you still can't turn off the Win10 VM, so you'll be giving up resources to it for no reason.

          I might want a windows VM. If I install KVM, I can't get windows for a later workload without paying for it. It is sunk cost, but it's also just a home project. The most it would do is probably share some storage inside the home LAN.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @Donahue
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            @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

            The PC already has licensed windows 10, which is why I would consider hyper-v, but part of me wants to try out KVM and play around with it.

            Hyper-V is free. That it has a Windows 10 license gets you nothing. And if it is Windows 10 Home, you have to remove it to use Hyper-V, anyway.

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            • DonahueD
              Donahue @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

              @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

              The PC already has licensed windows 10, which is why I would consider hyper-v, but part of me wants to try out KVM and play around with it.

              Hyper-V is free. That it has a Windows 10 license gets you nothing. And if it is Windows 10 Home, you have to remove it to use Hyper-V, anyway.

              It's pro.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Donahue
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                @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                @Dashrender said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                only because I don't want to lose a valid windows 10 installation unless I do it on purpose.

                HUH? That's sunk cost thinking.

                You're making this into a server, then do what makes it sing as a server best. Installing Windows 10, then using Hyper-V on (actually likely under) windows 10, you still can't turn off the Win10 VM, so you'll be giving up resources to it for no reason.

                I might want a windows VM. If I install KVM, I can't get windows for a later workload without paying for it. It is sunk cost, but it's also just a home project. The most it would do is probably share some storage inside the home LAN.

                That's not at all how that works. No matter what you use for virtualization, Windows licensing is never affected.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Donahue
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                  @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                  @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                  The PC already has licensed windows 10, which is why I would consider hyper-v, but part of me wants to try out KVM and play around with it.

                  Hyper-V is free. That it has a Windows 10 license gets you nothing. And if it is Windows 10 Home, you have to remove it to use Hyper-V, anyway.

                  It's pro.

                  So it exists, but still has no benefits. You get the same benefits from KVM here.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Donahue
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                    @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                    @Dashrender said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                    Why would you care about the Windows 10 licenses? If you're going to run Hyper-V, you should run the completely unencumbered free version. Download it from the MS trial website - FYI, it's not a trial.

                    only because I don't want to lose a valid windows 10 installation unless I do it on purpose.

                    Understandable. but you don't lose it, hence why we are recommending KVM.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Donahue
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                      @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                      The most it would do is probably share some storage inside the home LAN.

                      Even if you have Windows already, wouldn't it be nicer to do that with Linux, too? This is a perfect place for Linux at home.

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                      • DonahueD
                        Donahue
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                        If I blow away windows and install KVM, and then later decide that I want a windows 10 VM, won't it have to be licensed? Or will it somehow know that it was once licensed on that machine, even as a later VM? I dont think it would know, and would therefore need a new license.

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                        • JaredBuschJ
                          JaredBusch @Donahue
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                          @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                          If I blow away windows and install KVM, and then later decide that I want a windows 10 VM, won't it have to be licensed? Or will it somehow know that it was once licensed on that machine, even as a later VM? I dont think it would know, and would therefore need a new license.

                          Pull the key from BIOS. You can use it to activate the VM.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Donahue
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                            @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                            If I blow away windows and install KVM, and then later decide that I want a windows 10 VM, won't it have to be licensed?

                            No, this is never the case. There is no situation where deleting Windows requires relicensing to put back on the same hardware.

                            Or will it somehow know that it was once licensed on that machine, even as a later VM? I dont think it would know, and would therefore need a new license.

                            Yes, it knows normally. Even if it doesn't know, that doesn't change the license requirements. Under no condition can you have a legit license now and lose it in this fashion.

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                            • DonahueD
                              Donahue @JaredBusch
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                              @JaredBusch said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                              @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                              If I blow away windows and install KVM, and then later decide that I want a windows 10 VM, won't it have to be licensed? Or will it somehow know that it was once licensed on that machine, even as a later VM? I dont think it would know, and would therefore need a new license.

                              Pull the key from BIOS. You can use it to activate the VM.

                              I had no idea you could do that. Thats awesome.

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                                bnrstnr @Donahue
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                                @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                @JaredBusch said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                If I blow away windows and install KVM, and then later decide that I want a windows 10 VM, won't it have to be licensed? Or will it somehow know that it was once licensed on that machine, even as a later VM? I dont think it would know, and would therefore need a new license.

                                Pull the key from BIOS. You can use it to activate the VM.

                                I had no idea you could do that. Thats awesome.

                                choco install keyfinder

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                                • JaredBuschJ
                                  JaredBusch @bnrstnr
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                                  @bnrstnr said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                  @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                  @JaredBusch said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                  @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                  If I blow away windows and install KVM, and then later decide that I want a windows 10 VM, won't it have to be licensed? Or will it somehow know that it was once licensed on that machine, even as a later VM? I dont think it would know, and would therefore need a new license.

                                  Pull the key from BIOS. You can use it to activate the VM.

                                  I had no idea you could do that. Thats awesome.

                                  choco install keyfinder

                                  Does that work on BIOS keys now? I thought that only showed the "key" Windows reported. That is not the BIOS key.

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                                    bnrstnr @JaredBusch
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                                    @JaredBusch said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                    @bnrstnr said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                    @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                    @Donahue said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                    If I blow away windows and install KVM, and then later decide that I want a windows 10 VM, won't it have to be licensed? Or will it somehow know that it was once licensed on that machine, even as a later VM? I dont think it would know, and would therefore need a new license.

                                    Pull the key from BIOS. You can use it to activate the VM.

                                    I had no idea you could do that. Thats awesome.

                                    choco install keyfinder

                                    Does that work on BIOS keys now? I thought that only showed the "key" Windows reported. That is not the BIOS key.

                                    I believe the key it shows will activate. I'm not 100% positive though.

                                    I don't even have anything around that I can test this on right now either.

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                                    • RojoLocoR
                                      RojoLoco
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                                      So the Win10 VM can't pull the key from BIOS itself in this scenario?

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                                      • JaredBuschJ
                                        JaredBusch @RojoLoco
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                                        @RojoLoco said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                        So the Win10 VM can't pull the key from BIOS itself in this scenario?

                                        No, because its BIOS is the virtual BIOS of whatever hypervisor he ends up using.

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                                        • RojoLocoR
                                          RojoLoco @JaredBusch
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                                          @JaredBusch said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                          @RojoLoco said in Thinking of starting a home minecraft server:

                                          So the Win10 VM can't pull the key from BIOS itself in this scenario?

                                          No, because its BIOS is the virtual BIOS of whatever hypervisor he ends up using.

                                          Ah, I see. Haven't tried to activate one like this yet.

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                                          • JaredBuschJ
                                            JaredBusch
                                            last edited by JaredBusch

                                            Google result: https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/125321-pull-windows-key-from-uefi-bios
                                            powershell version worked for me.

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