Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.
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@DustinB3403 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Seems like a lot of tie in. What if you don't want to use the backup appliance any longer, but want to use the cloud or vice versa?
Great point. This is the kind of insight I'm looking for.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@travisdh1 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@DustinB3403 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@DustinB3403 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
As others have said Unitrends is likely out of your affordable range. To ask more questions, what kind of systems are you needing to protect and backup, how does your backup environment look today?
What functionality do you required?
What would be nice to have?I'm running VMware and backing up Windows VM's. Need the software to be MS SQL application aware. Would like a dashboard, like I currently have with Carbonite to view backup status and management of jobs. It would be nice to also have the ability to complete granular backup of AD. I know Unitrends currently does not support that granular AD backup. I don't need any fancy retentions. I'm happy with 30 day daily retention (locally) and maybe 6-12 months monthly retentions.
This sounds like Veeam would be a really good option then. Have you used it and found some issue or is it simply not an option for some reason?
I should have mentioned that I want a cloud storage backup for disaster recovery as well. I've used Veeam before and know it's good software. I was just looking at all my options. Unitrends is coming in lower than Veeam for local and cloud storage. I priced out a Veeam cloud connect partner.
For the online storage, Wasabi or Backblaze B2. Wasabi is cheaper, but I haven't used it myself yet like have B2.
B2 has come down, they are pretty close.
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@travisdh1 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@DustinB3403 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@DustinB3403 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
As others have said Unitrends is likely out of your affordable range. To ask more questions, what kind of systems are you needing to protect and backup, how does your backup environment look today?
What functionality do you required?
What would be nice to have?I'm running VMware and backing up Windows VM's. Need the software to be MS SQL application aware. Would like a dashboard, like I currently have with Carbonite to view backup status and management of jobs. It would be nice to also have the ability to complete granular backup of AD. I know Unitrends currently does not support that granular AD backup. I don't need any fancy retentions. I'm happy with 30 day daily retention (locally) and maybe 6-12 months monthly retentions.
This sounds like Veeam would be a really good option then. Have you used it and found some issue or is it simply not an option for some reason?
I should have mentioned that I want a cloud storage backup for disaster recovery as well. I've used Veeam before and know it's good software. I was just looking at all my options. Unitrends is coming in lower than Veeam for local and cloud storage. I priced out a Veeam cloud connect partner.
For the online storage, Wasabi or Backblaze B2. Wasabi is cheaper, but I haven't used it myself yet like have B2.
B2 has come down, they are pretty close.
B2 is $0.005/GB storage per month and $0.01/gb download. So the price is about as cheap as I could expect for the amazing service they provide.
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@travisdh1 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
For the online storage, Wasabi or Backblaze B2. Wasabi is cheaper, but I haven't used it myself yet like have B2.
Very familiar with Backblaze B2. I'm using it at home for my offsite backup. I was looking for a more polished integration with my backup software. This is why I looked at a Veeam cloud connect partner. Maybe I overlooked Backblaze integration with Veeam. I know Backblaze is nicely integrated with Cloudberry. How does that look on the Veeam side?
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@DustinB3403 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Seems like a lot of tie in. What if you don't want to use the backup appliance any longer, but want to use the cloud or vice versa?
Except backups themselves are tied to the backup solution.
You have to have Unitrends to read Unitrends backups stored anywehre. Cloud or not.
Same for Veeam.
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@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@DustinB3403 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Seems like a lot of tie in. What if you don't want to use the backup appliance any longer, but want to use the cloud or vice versa?
Except backups themselves are tied to the backup solution.
You have to have Unitrends to read Unitrends backups stored anywehre. Cloud or not.
Same for Veeam.
No, you need to have a solution that can read the backup file(s). The cloud has literally nothing to do with what is producing and restoring the backup.
The storage provider could be Amazon, Microsoft, B2 or any other # of providers.
So I agree that the backup software should work, and have some integration to a provider, but not the type of tie in that is being looked at currently.
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@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@DustinB3403 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Seems like a lot of tie in. What if you don't want to use the backup appliance any longer, but want to use the cloud or vice versa?
Except backups themselves are tied to the backup solution.
You have to have Unitrends to read Unitrends backups stored anywehre. Cloud or not.
Same for Veeam.
And worth clarifying as I'm sure you're typing it now. Yes Veeam or Unitrends could also be the cloud provider. But changing one piece shouldn't restrict your options for using or changing the other pieces either.
Like Going from Veeam as the backup tool to Unitrends and then losing access to your Veeam Cloud backups.
Uncoupling these services is a positive, not a negative and any backup solutions provider knows this. It's when they are building and promoting their own backup and cloud solutions.
To make it more difficult to uncouple your services or migrate away entirely.
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Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
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@magicmarker you could easily use the CLI it's a single line command and just have it run daily/weekly or whatever.
Alternatives include any solution that works with BackBlaze. Like CloudBerry (Not an endorsement, just one I recall off the top of my head)
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@DustinB3403 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker you could easily use the CLI it's a single line command and just have it run daily/weekly or whatever.
Alternatives include any solution that works with BackBlaze. Like CloudBerry (Not an endorsement, just one I recall off the top of my head)
I use Duplicati. The lazy me likes the web based interface it provides.
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@travisdh1 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@DustinB3403 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker you could easily use the CLI it's a single line command and just have it run daily/weekly or whatever.
Alternatives include any solution that works with BackBlaze. Like CloudBerry (Not an endorsement, just one I recall off the top of my head)
I use Duplicati. The lazy me likes the web based interface it provides.
With duplicati aren't you forced to use duplicati to restore because it isn't a sync client. But a backup client?
Q: Can Duplicati store plain files instead of inside compressed folders? A: No. Duplicati is a backup tool, not a file sync tool. If you simply sync your files, you need to be certain that the system that you are storing the files on can handle the same as your local files. For example you cannot store data from a case-sensitive filesystem on a server with a case-insensitive file system. -
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/resource-library/starwind-vtl-for-backblaze-b2-and-veeam
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@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/resource-library/starwind-vtl-for-backblaze-b2-and-veeam
Thanks Jared. I was already on the website reading this when you posted this link.
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@magicmarker If you look at amazon s3/glacier you can use their VTL that integrates directly with Veeam. I am currently just using a local NAS with a utility running on Windows that maps a drive to an S3 bucket. I then have a comparison software (Beyond Compare) that will copy the backup files to S3 based on scheduled tasks. It works well, but I would like to move to the VTL option.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/resource-library/starwind-vtl-for-backblaze-b2-and-veeam
Thanks Jared. I was already on the website reading this when you posted this link.
https://rhyshammond.com/veeam-backblaze-b2-create-the-backblaze-b2-bucket/
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@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
https://rhyshammond.com/veeam-backblaze-b2-create-the-backblaze-b2-bucket/
This link is for when backing up to a Synology though. I plan on using a SAM-SD.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
https://rhyshammond.com/veeam-backblaze-b2-create-the-backblaze-b2-bucket/
This link is for when backing up to a Synology though. I plan on using a SAM-SD.
Didn't see that when I skimmed the headline.
Clicked in and saw the screens of B2 and jsut posted. my bad. -
I'm now doing a U-turn and looking at Veeam again. My new plan is to go with Veeam Enterprise. My Veeam repository will be a SAM-SD for local backups. Then for $80 I can install Cloudberry on the SAM-SD and replicate Veeam local backups to BackBlaze B2. Thanks everyone for the insight. Thanks for steering me in the right direction. The Unitrends deal was looking good on paper, and didn't like having to make a decision based on the Unitrends sales rep year end numbers. Let me mention that the Unitrends sales staff are absolutely relentless. Almost as annoying as Know4Be before sales reps.
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@wrx7m said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker If you look at amazon s3/glacier you can use their VTL that integrates directly with Veeam. I am currently just using a local NAS with a utility running on Windows that maps a drive to an S3 bucket. I then have a comparison software (Beyond Compare) that will copy the backup files to S3 based on scheduled tasks. It works well, but I would like to move to the VTL option.
Have you attempted to restore from glacier yet? If so how well did it go?
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Yeah I use pip on our windows servers and upload directories constantly.
