How do YOU demo VDI?



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    @scottalanmiller They want to see the "little box" show them the Windows interface that lives elsewhere.

    I'm confused. Thin client is what views remote sessions. Anything that does that is a thin client.

    Do you mean a hardware thin client (like the Wyse box) as opposed to the thin client software (like Reminna?)



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    @scottalanmiller You can't access AWS with RDP. The Thin clients we prefer only have RDP and Citrix

    Yes, you can. I just provided Amazon's how to.



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    @scottalanmiller They want to see the "little box" show them the Windows interface that lives elsewhere.

    What?

    What Scott is saying is that with a Thin client, all of the processing is being done remotely. A user using RDP to access to Thin client doesn't "show" them anything. They simply have a Windows environment to work with.



  • @scottalanmiller You need to type SLOWER, I was answering your earlier comment when you posted again, and again, and again.... 🙂



  • Some quick terms because this is NECESSARY to avoid a cluster F of confusion.

    VDI = one to one virtualization accessed remotely (via RDP, ICA, NX, Xterm, Amazon's client, etc.)
    Thin Client = the software that accesses any of these protocols.
    Thin Client Hardware = the box that does nothing but run the software above.

    Let's stick to these and clarify if we diverge so that we are all on the same page.



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    @scottalanmiller You need to type SLOWER, I was answering your earlier comment when you posted again, and again, and again.... 🙂

    No, but he does need to stop spewing bullshit until the OP replies.



  • @DustinB3403 Maybe we should get back to the base question, since I already know how VDI works. I'll rephrase the question. When you walk in the door to demo VDI, what do you have with you?



  • If you have a Wyse client, as an example, and want to demo VDI, basically any VDI solution will support that (virtually, mine doesn't, but most do) so just have the "box" ready, and attach to any service you want to demo.



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    When you walk in the door to demo VDI, what do you have with you?

    Never considered doing something like that before, you mean like a sales call where you just want to show it off? I'd be wary of doing that as firewalls and ISP issues might make it look really bad when it might not be.

    And you can only show hosted VDI in that case, unless you are bringing a full demo rig with you with the server AND the client with you. Which you CAN do, even an Intel NUC and a Wyse laptop style thin client hardware together could make for a viable demo.



  • @JaredBusch said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    @scottalanmiller You need to type SLOWER, I was answering your earlier comment when you posted again, and again, and again.... 🙂

    No, but he does need to stop spewing bullshit until the OP replies.

    There wasn't any BS to avoid. All important info.



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    @DustinB3403 Maybe we should get back to the base question, since I already know how VDI works. I'll rephrase the question. When you walk in the door to demo VDI, what do you have with you?

    A remote desktop client like Microsoft RDP or Reminna, or even https://guacamole.apache.org/



  • Hard to imagine a case where I'd want to demo with a full hardware set under my arm. Everyone knows what VDI looks like and how it acts, hard to find anyone that doesn't use it or something that looks identical regularly. Since VDI and TS are indistinguishable from the end user.

    Showing off a physical thin client hardware device is kind of pointless as you can describe it perfectly... it's exactly like a normal computer running the thin client software, but with a smaller computer that costs "less" (often they cost more.)



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    and without looking at cost for VDI v. simple SMB hosted Windows VMs with a direct 1-to-1 usage

    That is VDI, BTW. Those aren't two different things.



  • @scottalanmiller You spend the vast majority of your days with IT professionals. I spend the vast majority of my days with people who aren't completely certain of the difference between a mouse and a keyboard, or SD and HD, or a copier and a printer.

    If I had a nickle for every customer that "...knows what VDI looks like and how it acts, hard to find anyone that doesn't use it or something that looks identical regularly." I could buy a single piece of nickle candy.

    Not in the real world: "Showing off a physical thin client hardware device is kind of pointless as you can describe it perfectly... it's exactly like a normal computer running the thin client software, but with a smaller computer that costs "less" (often they cost more.)"



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    @scottalanmiller You spend the vast majority of your days with IT professionals. I spend the vast majority of my days with people who aren't completely certain of the difference between a mouse and a keyboard, or SD and HD, or a copier and a printer.

    I spend my days with those people, I do the same in the trenches work as everyone else.

    But even those people, they use things like RDP all of the time.



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    Not in the real world: "Showing off a physical thin client hardware device is kind of pointless as you can describe it perfectly... it's exactly like a normal computer running the thin client software, but with a smaller computer that costs "less" (often they cost more.)"

    What do you mean not in the real world? Thin clients are often pricey. And they are identical to using a normal computer to demo it.



  • My real point there, though, is that if the goal is to demo something, do they really need to see the box?

    Because it's identical, to the end user, the only difference is the box and if the end user isn't technical (like you said) then they can't tell the difference between the boxes, either.



  • I'm literally setting up VDI for a new user right now.



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    @scottalanmiller You spend the vast majority of your days with IT professionals. I spend the vast majority of my days with people who aren't completely certain of the difference between a mouse and a keyboard, or SD and HD, or a copier and a printer.

    If I had a nickle for every customer that "...knows what VDI looks like and how it acts, hard to find anyone that doesn't use it or something that looks identical regularly." I could buy a single piece of nickle candy.

    Not in the real world: "Showing off a physical thin client hardware device is kind of pointless as you can describe it perfectly... it's exactly like a normal computer running the thin client software, but with a smaller computer that costs "less" (often they cost more.)"

    So what you'll have to do is explain that VDI is a means of connecting to a remote computer. That no additional physical hardware need be present at the user workstation to connect to the remote computer.

    Once you do that, RDP to your server and explain that the Microsoft RDP client is a Thin client. All of the processing is being done on the remote system and the user simply needs to be setup to use it.





  • @scottalanmiller The customer MUST see their local printer, Electronic Signature Device, Meter Reader Scanner, Barcode Scanner, and a sundry of other business specific peripherals, Software and workflows function correctly before they agree to anything. The demo need to function for a time of up to a few weeks.

    I'm not looking to argue about ANY aspect of VDI, just curious how others are doing it.



  • These days, though, I would hypothesize that those kinds of thin clients are seeing the end. Chromebooks have so much more volume, and can often do thin client tasks better than thin clients, that I bet the thin client market is at an end.

    Now that Chomebooks can run Android and Linux apps, there is no one making a cost effective thin client any longer. So full Chromebooks are cheaper, and more flexible, and more powerful with constant software patches and hardware refreshes.

    I bet the traditional thin client market is all but gone.



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    I'm not looking to argue about ANY aspect of VDI, just curious how others are doing it.

    I'm not either. Just trying to say that I think that there is a reason why no one else is doing it in that way, it's so easy to demo in other ways.



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    @scottalanmiller The customer MUST see their local printer, Electronic Signature Device, Meter Reader Scanner, Barcode Scanner, and a sundry of other business specific peripherals, Software and workflows function correctly before they agree to anything. The demo need to function for a time of up to a few weeks.

    Okay, so NOT a walk in sales demo. This is more a proof of concept demo.



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    @scottalanmiller The customer MUST see their local printer, Electronic Signature Device, Meter Reader Scanner, Barcode Scanner, and a sundry of other business specific peripherals, Software and workflows function correctly before they agree to anything. The demo need to function for a time of up to a few weeks.

    If you don't need it to be mobile, they any computer or any thin client will do. Assuming you sell some specific thin client, or want to, use that for the demo to show it off. If not, use whatever makes sense.

    Setting up and demoing all of that stuff can be down with or without a hardware thin client. Because of how thin clients work, you can demo either way equally and interchangeably.



  • I guess that the real question, though, is which part are you asking about? It sounds like you require...

    1. A working VDI system to show the back end working.
    2. A physical box for the end user to touch, poke, prod, taste, etc.
    3. A full set up of the system working as if it was in production.

    If I'm understanding that correctly, what pieces are you asking about? This sounds totally dependent on the customer. Like, if it is extremely light demo, bringing in a Nuc like I said, will work to create a single VDI instance (or maybe a couple) from the back end. And bring in as many thin client hardware units as they need to show it working (and show mobility and stuff, I'd always do at least two.) Put them on full desks, do a full roll out.

    Only downside is basically you have to do all of the engineering for free, while still in sales mode.

    If hosted is okay, then the Nuc could be replaced with a central VDI solution of your choice that you host, or a hosted one like AWS WordSpaces.



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    @scottalanmiller The customer MUST see their local printer, Electronic Signature Device, Meter Reader Scanner, Barcode Scanner, and a sundry of other business specific peripherals, Software and workflows function correctly before they agree to anything. The demo need to function for a time of up to a few weeks.

    I'm not looking to argue about ANY aspect of VDI, just curious how others are doing it.

    So what you want is a thin client manager. Where someone puts in thin.domain.com:142 and they get a specific set of preconfigured things for them that they would have as if they were at the office.



  • I'm on to other things now. This one seemingly simple and casual question has resulted in a rise in blood pressure and anxiety that I find completely unnecessary and unproductive.

    I have found no helpful or beneficial responses so far here. Only argumentative replies suggesting I have already pigeon-holed my demo tactic and that I chose wrong.



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    I'm on to other things now. This one seemingly simple and casual question has resulted in a rise in blood pressure and anxiety that I find completely unnecessary and unproductive.

    I have found no helpful or beneficial responses so far here. Only argumentative replies suggesting I have already pigeon-holed my demo tactic and that I chose wrong.

    While you may have explained what you are looking for incorrectly that is for sure. If you wanted VDI solutions, VMWare has one, Citrix XenServer another.

    So I believe I'm on the most accurate topic in that you want to be able to demo a VDI solution, and need to know what to recommend.

    Rather than how can you demo VDI.



  • @JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:

    I'm on to other things now. This one seemingly simple and casual question has resulted in a rise in blood pressure and anxiety that I find completely unnecessary and unproductive.

    I have found no helpful or beneficial responses so far here. Only argumentative replies suggesting I have already pigeon-holed my demo tactic and that I chose wrong.

    Who is arguing? We are just clarifying what you are asking for. No one argued, just pointed out ways to demo that would be really simple. It was all an attempt to answer exactly what we thought you were asking.

    None of it was disagreeing with something that you had said.


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