How do YOU demo VDI?
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Some quick terms because this is NECESSARY to avoid a cluster F of confusion.
VDI = one to one virtualization accessed remotely (via RDP, ICA, NX, Xterm, Amazon's client, etc.)
Thin Client = the software that accesses any of these protocols.
Thin Client Hardware = the box that does nothing but run the software above.Let's stick to these and clarify if we diverge so that we are all on the same page.
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@JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:
@scottalanmiller You need to type SLOWER, I was answering your earlier comment when you posted again, and again, and again....
No, but he does need to stop spewing bullshit until the OP replies.
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@DustinB3403 Maybe we should get back to the base question, since I already know how VDI works. I'll rephrase the question. When you walk in the door to demo VDI, what do you have with you?
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If you have a Wyse client, as an example, and want to demo VDI, basically any VDI solution will support that (virtually, mine doesn't, but most do) so just have the "box" ready, and attach to any service you want to demo.
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@JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:
When you walk in the door to demo VDI, what do you have with you?
Never considered doing something like that before, you mean like a sales call where you just want to show it off? I'd be wary of doing that as firewalls and ISP issues might make it look really bad when it might not be.
And you can only show hosted VDI in that case, unless you are bringing a full demo rig with you with the server AND the client with you. Which you CAN do, even an Intel NUC and a Wyse laptop style thin client hardware together could make for a viable demo.
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@JaredBusch said in How do YOU demo VDI?:
@JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:
@scottalanmiller You need to type SLOWER, I was answering your earlier comment when you posted again, and again, and again....
No, but he does need to stop spewing bullshit until the OP replies.
There wasn't any BS to avoid. All important info.
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@JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:
@DustinB3403 Maybe we should get back to the base question, since I already know how VDI works. I'll rephrase the question. When you walk in the door to demo VDI, what do you have with you?
A remote desktop client like Microsoft RDP or Reminna, or even https://guacamole.apache.org/
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Hard to imagine a case where I'd want to demo with a full hardware set under my arm. Everyone knows what VDI looks like and how it acts, hard to find anyone that doesn't use it or something that looks identical regularly. Since VDI and TS are indistinguishable from the end user.
Showing off a physical thin client hardware device is kind of pointless as you can describe it perfectly... it's exactly like a normal computer running the thin client software, but with a smaller computer that costs "less" (often they cost more.)
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@JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:
and without looking at cost for VDI v. simple SMB hosted Windows VMs with a direct 1-to-1 usage
That is VDI, BTW. Those aren't two different things.
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@scottalanmiller You spend the vast majority of your days with IT professionals. I spend the vast majority of my days with people who aren't completely certain of the difference between a mouse and a keyboard, or SD and HD, or a copier and a printer.
If I had a nickle for every customer that "...knows what VDI looks like and how it acts, hard to find anyone that doesn't use it or something that looks identical regularly." I could buy a single piece of nickle candy.
Not in the real world: "Showing off a physical thin client hardware device is kind of pointless as you can describe it perfectly... it's exactly like a normal computer running the thin client software, but with a smaller computer that costs "less" (often they cost more.)"
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@JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:
@scottalanmiller You spend the vast majority of your days with IT professionals. I spend the vast majority of my days with people who aren't completely certain of the difference between a mouse and a keyboard, or SD and HD, or a copier and a printer.
I spend my days with those people, I do the same in the trenches work as everyone else.
But even those people, they use things like RDP all of the time.
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@JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:
Not in the real world: "Showing off a physical thin client hardware device is kind of pointless as you can describe it perfectly... it's exactly like a normal computer running the thin client software, but with a smaller computer that costs "less" (often they cost more.)"
What do you mean not in the real world? Thin clients are often pricey. And they are identical to using a normal computer to demo it.
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My real point there, though, is that if the goal is to demo something, do they really need to see the box?
Because it's identical, to the end user, the only difference is the box and if the end user isn't technical (like you said) then they can't tell the difference between the boxes, either.
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I'm literally setting up VDI for a new user right now.
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@JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:
@scottalanmiller You spend the vast majority of your days with IT professionals. I spend the vast majority of my days with people who aren't completely certain of the difference between a mouse and a keyboard, or SD and HD, or a copier and a printer.
If I had a nickle for every customer that "...knows what VDI looks like and how it acts, hard to find anyone that doesn't use it or something that looks identical regularly." I could buy a single piece of nickle candy.
Not in the real world: "Showing off a physical thin client hardware device is kind of pointless as you can describe it perfectly... it's exactly like a normal computer running the thin client software, but with a smaller computer that costs "less" (often they cost more.)"
So what you'll have to do is explain that VDI is a means of connecting to a remote computer. That no additional physical hardware need be present at the user workstation to connect to the remote computer.
Once you do that, RDP to your server and explain that the Microsoft RDP client is a Thin client. All of the processing is being done on the remote system and the user simply needs to be setup to use it.
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You certainly can carry around a thin client. This one is made for that...
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81jfFWl1pzL.SX679.jpg
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@scottalanmiller The customer MUST see their local printer, Electronic Signature Device, Meter Reader Scanner, Barcode Scanner, and a sundry of other business specific peripherals, Software and workflows function correctly before they agree to anything. The demo need to function for a time of up to a few weeks.
I'm not looking to argue about ANY aspect of VDI, just curious how others are doing it.
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These days, though, I would hypothesize that those kinds of thin clients are seeing the end. Chromebooks have so much more volume, and can often do thin client tasks better than thin clients, that I bet the thin client market is at an end.
Now that Chomebooks can run Android and Linux apps, there is no one making a cost effective thin client any longer. So full Chromebooks are cheaper, and more flexible, and more powerful with constant software patches and hardware refreshes.
I bet the traditional thin client market is all but gone.
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@JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:
I'm not looking to argue about ANY aspect of VDI, just curious how others are doing it.
I'm not either. Just trying to say that I think that there is a reason why no one else is doing it in that way, it's so easy to demo in other ways.
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@JasGot said in How do YOU demo VDI?:
@scottalanmiller The customer MUST see their local printer, Electronic Signature Device, Meter Reader Scanner, Barcode Scanner, and a sundry of other business specific peripherals, Software and workflows function correctly before they agree to anything. The demo need to function for a time of up to a few weeks.
Okay, so NOT a walk in sales demo. This is more a proof of concept demo.
