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    • DustinB3403
      DustinB3403 @JaredBusch last edited by

      @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

      @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

      @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

      1. What is the goal

      An Access point for every cabin.

      No it is not. That was never stated, nor even in the picture.

      Yeah I know. . But it certainly looks like that based on the diagram.

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      • Mike Davis
        Mike Davis @DustinB3403 last edited by

        @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

        @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

        1. What is the goal

        An Access point for every cabin.

        coverage for every cabin. The row of cabins Pine Maple Spruce are so close that doing every other one should work.

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        • coliver
          coliver @JaredBusch last edited by

          @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

          @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

          @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

          1. What is the goal

          An Access point for every cabin.

          No it is not. That was never stated, nor even in the picture.

          That's what I was thinking. Is the goal to have wireless access throughout the camp?

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          • Mike Davis
            Mike Davis @coliver last edited by

            @coliver said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

            That's what I was thinking. Is the goal to have wireless access throughout the camp?

            just in the cottages. Not all over the grounds.

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            • coliver
              coliver @Mike Davis last edited by

              @Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

              @coliver said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

              That's what I was thinking. Is the goal to have wireless access throughout the camp?

              just in the cottages. Not all over the grounds.

              Got it.

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              • DustinB3403
                DustinB3403 last edited by DustinB3403

                Just looking up generic fiber optic, for 400' you're looking at around $70 per cable.

                You could very likely just service loop the rest of the cable back at the main cabin.

                Edit: non-terminated.

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                • JaredBusch
                  JaredBusch @Mike Davis last edited by

                  @Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                  @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                  @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                  1. What is the goal

                  An Access point for every cabin.

                  coverage for every cabin. The row of cabins Pine Maple Spruce are so close that doing every other one should work.

                  Defined Goal: WiFi coverage for every cabin.

                  Things to determine:
                  What are the Cabins constructed from. This will seriously affect signal strength. You think you can skip putting an AP in each cabin because some are close? Are you sure signal will actually penetrate and be usable srtength? Are you sure the camper's cell phones will be able to reply through walls with usable strength?

                  Then what are the real distances? This is not something that should be calculated on "feels like" or "should work".

                  What kind of weather does the area get? Storms are a safe bet for most regions of the US. Putting that much copper in the ground is certainly a risk. A single lightning strike in the area can easily take out everything.

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                  • travisdh1
                    travisdh1 @DustinB3403 last edited by

                    @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                    Just looking up generic fiber optic, for 400' you're looking at around $70 per cable.

                    You could very likely just service loop the rest of the cable back at the main cabin.

                    Edit: non-terminated.

                    Monoprice has 50m pre-terminated cables, if ~160' is long enough for most runs.

                    https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=11833

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                    • JaredBusch
                      JaredBusch last edited by

                      Now, the objection to the WISP model.

                      Why do you think you need an 80' tower?

                      This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.

                      But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.

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                      • JaredBusch
                        JaredBusch @travisdh1 last edited by

                        @travisdh1 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                        @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                        Just looking up generic fiber optic, for 400' you're looking at around $70 per cable.

                        You could very likely just service loop the rest of the cable back at the main cabin.

                        Edit: non-terminated.

                        Monoprice has 50m pre-terminated cables, if ~160' is long enough for most runs.

                        https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=11833

                        FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.

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                        • coliver
                          coliver @JaredBusch last edited by

                          @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                          @travisdh1 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                          @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                          Just looking up generic fiber optic, for 400' you're looking at around $70 per cable.

                          You could very likely just service loop the rest of the cable back at the main cabin.

                          Edit: non-terminated.

                          Monoprice has 50m pre-terminated cables, if ~160' is long enough for most runs.

                          https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=11833

                          FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.

                          Not to mention many local ISPs will actually do the terminations for you for a reasonable price.

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                          • DustinB3403
                            DustinB3403 @JaredBusch last edited by

                            @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                            Now, the objection to the WISP model.

                            Why do you think you need an 80' tower?

                            This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.

                            But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.

                            Wasn't the objection to service the cabins, not the entire grounds?

                            Which I took as a means of forcing people to disconnect and enjoy their vacation.

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                            • Mike Davis
                              Mike Davis @JaredBusch last edited by

                              @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                              FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.

                              Do you mean you can't have couplers in the conduit? I would agree. On the other hand, as long as the fiber was outdoor rated, it seems like premade cables like that for the shorter runs makes sense.

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                              • Mike Davis
                                Mike Davis @JaredBusch last edited by

                                @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                Now, the objection to the WISP model.

                                Why do you think you need an 80' tower?

                                This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.

                                But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.

                                The trees are about that tall. The cottages have metal roofs on them.

                                So you're thinking a NanoBeam 5AC-G2 on each cottage connected to a UAP AC lite/pro? What would be needed at the main house? Rocket AC and then (3) airMAX AC Sector Antennas? Does a single Rocket AC support 3 antennas?

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                                • JaredBusch
                                  JaredBusch @Mike Davis last edited by

                                  @Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                  @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                  FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.

                                  Do you mean you can't have couplers in the conduit? I would agree. On the other hand, as long as the fiber was outdoor rated, it seems like premade cables like that for the shorter runs makes sense.

                                  How in the hell would you pull a terminated fiber through a pipe?

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                                  • JaredBusch
                                    JaredBusch @DustinB3403 last edited by

                                    @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                    @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                    Now, the objection to the WISP model.

                                    Why do you think you need an 80' tower?

                                    This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.

                                    But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.

                                    Wasn't the objection to service the cabins, not the entire grounds?

                                    Which I took as a means of forcing people to disconnect and enjoy their vacation.

                                    WTF? Just go away...

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                                    • JaredBusch
                                      JaredBusch @Mike Davis last edited by

                                      @Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                      @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                      Now, the objection to the WISP model.

                                      Why do you think you need an 80' tower?

                                      This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.

                                      But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.

                                      The trees are about that tall. The cottages have metal roofs on them.

                                      So you're thinking a NanoBeam 5AC-G2 on each cottage connected to a UAP AC lite/pro? What would be needed at the main house? Rocket AC and then (3) airMAX AC Sector Antennas? Does a single Rocket AC support 3 antennas?

                                      Something like this, yes. I wold have to look up exact model specs, etc.

                                      I am most definitely not saying it is the answer. But it should be relatively low cost to test. You only need the antenna for the main office and a single one to roam around with to test by each cabin.

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                                      • Dashrender
                                        Dashrender @JaredBusch last edited by

                                        @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                        @Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                        @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                        Now, the objection to the WISP model.

                                        Why do you think you need an 80' tower?

                                        This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.

                                        But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.

                                        The trees are about that tall. The cottages have metal roofs on them.

                                        So you're thinking a NanoBeam 5AC-G2 on each cottage connected to a UAP AC lite/pro? What would be needed at the main house? Rocket AC and then (3) airMAX AC Sector Antennas? Does a single Rocket AC support 3 antennas?

                                        Something like this, yes. I wold have to look up exact model specs, etc.

                                        I am most definitely not saying it is the answer. But it should be relatively low cost to test. You only need the antenna for the main office and a single one to roam around with to test by each cabin.

                                        And testing should only be done in the summer when the trees are fully leafed up. Unless all the trees are pines, then - I guess it doesn't matter.

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                                        • scottalanmiller
                                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender last edited by

                                          @Dashrender said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                          @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                          @Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                          @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                          Now, the objection to the WISP model.

                                          Why do you think you need an 80' tower?

                                          This hardware is designed to go miles. You are going like 600 feet max. It is highly likely that a solid omni-directional antenna on the roof of the main building will provide signal to most of the facilities.

                                          But even should you have a section of bad service, you can put another one on another building. Likely Lakeview based on the picture.

                                          The trees are about that tall. The cottages have metal roofs on them.

                                          So you're thinking a NanoBeam 5AC-G2 on each cottage connected to a UAP AC lite/pro? What would be needed at the main house? Rocket AC and then (3) airMAX AC Sector Antennas? Does a single Rocket AC support 3 antennas?

                                          Something like this, yes. I wold have to look up exact model specs, etc.

                                          I am most definitely not saying it is the answer. But it should be relatively low cost to test. You only need the antenna for the main office and a single one to roam around with to test by each cabin.

                                          And testing should only be done in the summer when the trees are fully leafed up. Unless all the trees are pines, then - I guess it doesn't matter.

                                          "Leafed up" should be a Vermont website.

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                                          • Mike Davis
                                            Mike Davis @JaredBusch last edited by

                                            @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                            @Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                            @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                            FFS. You cannot used pre-terminated cables in pipe.

                                            Do you mean you can't have couplers in the conduit? I would agree. On the other hand, as long as the fiber was outdoor rated, it seems like premade cables like that for the shorter runs makes sense.

                                            How in the hell would you pull a terminated fiber through a pipe?

                                            The last time I did this inside a building, I ordered the interduct with a pull string in it, and then ordered the fiber with a pull eye on it.

                                            In this case here, I'd have to use my mouse (conduit piston) to pull a pull string through the conduit, and then pull the fiber in behind it. That's why it has to be 1". With LC connectors and a pull eye it will fit.

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