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    • DustinB3403
      DustinB3403 last edited by DustinB3403

      Doesn't the second port on these AP's act as a bridge only?

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      • JaredBusch
        JaredBusch last edited by

        This sounds like a horrible solution. There are better solutions for things like this that are designed for this.

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        • DustinB3403
          DustinB3403 last edited by

          Here's some more detail on this.

          https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/204959454-UniFi-How-do-secondary-Ethernet-ports-work-on-UAPs-

          You'll need a PoE injector for every AP.

          PoE, AP > Bridge >Ethernet run > PoE, AP > Bridge >Ethernet run > PoE, AP > Bridge >Ethernet run > PoE, AP

          Etc

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          • JaredBusch
            JaredBusch last edited by

            The correct solution here is likely a PtMP solution like this

            https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/205197750-airMAX-Which-product-should-I-use-#3

            UniFi is not designed for this purpose. Could you shoehorn it? Sure. But it is not the design.

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            • DustinB3403
              DustinB3403 @JaredBusch last edited by

              @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

              The correct solution here is likely a PtMP solution like this

              https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/205197750-airMAX-Which-product-should-I-use-#3

              UniFi is not designed for this purpose. Could you shoehorn it? Sure. But it is not the design.

              So you're thinking have a central unit that services each of the cottages, rather than an AP per cottage.

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              • Mike Davis
                Mike Davis @DustinB3403 last edited by

                @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                The correct solution here is likely a PtMP solution like this

                https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/205197750-airMAX-Which-product-should-I-use-#3

                UniFi is not designed for this purpose. Could you shoehorn it? Sure. But it is not the design.

                So you're thinking have a central unit that services each of the cottages, rather than an AP per cottage.

                If I understand @JaredBusch correctly, he is thinking more like a WISP solution where you put a multi point antenna on a mast and then at each cottage have a rocket mounted outside to link with the multi point and then a AC on the inside of the cottage. That was a thought too, but there are trees all over and that adds a lot of gear, which drives up the cost.

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                • travisdh1
                  travisdh1 @Mike Davis last edited by

                  @Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                  I'm looking at doing a wireless project for a group of cottages. Due to the layout, running a homerun cable to each AP isn't practical. To keep the costs down, I was thinking about doing this in each cottage:
                  Ubiquiti ETH-SP-G2 Surge Suppressor/Protector
                  PoE injector
                  UAP-AC-PRO
                  Ubiquiti ETH-SP-G2 Surge Suppressor/Protector

                  and on to the next cottage.

                  This will save on the expense of a switch in each cottage. It will also save on the expense of running home runs. Does anyone see a problem with this? The longest chain would be 3 in a row.

                  I'm a little confused by this. Are you planning to run a network wire through the cottages and not doing a single run for each cottage? Seems silly compared to doing Point to Multipoint wireless like @JaredBusch already gave you a link to.

                  TLDNR: All the wires or no wires, no in between there is.

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                  • DustinB3403
                    DustinB3403 @travisdh1 last edited by

                    @travisdh1 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                    @Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                    I'm looking at doing a wireless project for a group of cottages. Due to the layout, running a homerun cable to each AP isn't practical. To keep the costs down, I was thinking about doing this in each cottage:
                    Ubiquiti ETH-SP-G2 Surge Suppressor/Protector
                    PoE injector
                    UAP-AC-PRO
                    Ubiquiti ETH-SP-G2 Surge Suppressor/Protector

                    and on to the next cottage.

                    This will save on the expense of a switch in each cottage. It will also save on the expense of running home runs. Does anyone see a problem with this? The longest chain would be 3 in a row.

                    I'm a little confused by this. Are you planning to run a network wire through the cottages and not doing a single run for each cottage? Seems silly compared to doing Point to Multipoint wireless like @JaredBusch already gave you a link to.

                    TLDNR: All the wires or no wires, no in between there is.

                    Well, there are wires to the mast or high point where the equipment would be centrally located. But due to the tree coverage he'd be limited to the "900MHz, Better tolerance for trees and small obstacles"

                    Which may not even be allowed in the area.

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                    • Mike Davis
                      Mike Davis last edited by

                      Here is an image. The drawing is wildy not to scale. From the Main House to Birch is about 600', thus the multi mode fiber. From Lakeshore 1,2,3 to Lakeview is 115'.0_1541434307574_WirelessPlan.png

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                      • Mike Davis
                        Mike Davis @DustinB3403 last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                        Well, there are wires to the mast or high point where the equipment would be centrally located. But due to the tree coverage he'd be limited to the "900MHz, Better tolerance for trees and small obstacles"
                        Which may not even be allowed in the area.

                        Due to the trees we would probably be talking 80' towers before taking the fresnel zone in to consideration.

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                        • DustinB3403
                          DustinB3403 @Mike Davis last edited by

                          @Mike-Davis at AP6 are you planning to have a switch there? You said there would only be 3 AP's for the longest chain, but that's 5.

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                          • DustinB3403
                            DustinB3403 last edited by

                            AP 12 is just floating out there on the lake, which would mean at least a second 3 link chain.

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                            • Mike Davis
                              Mike Davis @DustinB3403 last edited by

                              @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                              @Mike-Davis at AP6 are you planning to have a switch there? You said there would only be 3 AP's for the longest chain, but that's 5.

                              Yes, switch at AP 6, so 7 and 8 would daisy chain to 9. I would probably be possible to run straight from the Main House to 7 and then go from 7 back to 6 and 5.

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                              • Mike Davis
                                Mike Davis @DustinB3403 last edited by

                                @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                AP 12 is just floating out there on the lake, which would mean at least a second 3 link chain.

                                12 is just the legend. Sorry, should have labeled that. Used GreenShot for my napkin sketch.

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                                • scottalanmiller
                                  scottalanmiller @Mike Davis last edited by

                                  @Mike-Davis said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                  @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                  @JaredBusch said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                  The correct solution here is likely a PtMP solution like this

                                  https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/205197750-airMAX-Which-product-should-I-use-#3

                                  UniFi is not designed for this purpose. Could you shoehorn it? Sure. But it is not the design.

                                  So you're thinking have a central unit that services each of the cottages, rather than an AP per cottage.

                                  If I understand @JaredBusch correctly, he is thinking more like a WISP solution where you put a multi point antenna on a mast and then at each cottage have a rocket mounted outside to link with the multi point and then a AC on the inside of the cottage. That was a thought too, but there are trees all over and that adds a lot of gear, which drives up the cost.

                                  Yes, that sounds like a better solution if you can do it.

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                                  • coliver
                                    coliver last edited by coliver

                                    Seems like it wouldn't be difficult to setup a secure location outside of cabin Maple, or cabin Spruce and then home run everything there... you're pretty much already running the conduit. Then run a fiber (or Cat6e if the distance isn't that large) back to the main office. Otherwise treating this as a WISP and each cabin as a subscriber would be the best solution.

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                                    • dafyre
                                      dafyre last edited by

                                      @Mike-Davis -- What makes the home run not practical?

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                                      • DustinB3403
                                        DustinB3403 last edited by DustinB3403

                                        I still only count 11 AP's @Mike-Davis. Your legend is stating 12. Where would the last one be?

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                                        • coliver
                                          coliver @DustinB3403 last edited by

                                          @DustinB3403 said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                          I still only count 11 AP's then @Mike-Davis. Your legend is stating 12. Where would the last one be?

                                          I think 12 is just a reference to denote the symbol for the APs. It's not the actual number.

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                                          • DustinB3403
                                            DustinB3403 @dafyre last edited by

                                            @dafyre said in daisy chain Ubiquiti AC Pros?:

                                            @Mike-Davis -- What makes the home run not practical?

                                            Conduit, digging, man power etc.

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