What flavor of linux to replace windows?



  • With all this discussion about linux, what would be a good distro to experiment with if I am coming from purely windows background? I have dabbled with a few different ubuntu versions, but that was several years ago and I did not get very much into it.

    But I have taken to heart the information presented here on ML and from conversations with @scottalanmiller and I am going to look into our dependency on MS. Any suggestions on what could be a suitable desktop replacement for my users who only know windows7/10? There are still several workflow areas where I have not found any suitable replacement applications, or other workflow modifications that would allow me to abandon windows, but I need to start evaluating the incorporation of linux where applicable.

    The two main workflows we have that I have not found viable solutions for yet are ERP and CAD. The ERP is dependent on both windows and SQL. CAD, specifically both Autocad and Solidworks, are both dependent on windows at this point, but I hear that cloud versions are in development and that may eventually allow both to be run in browsers, removing the windows limitation.

    Practically all my users fall into one of those workflows, but I've got to start somewhere.



  • Ubuntu or Fedora with Cinnamon Desktop.



  • @Donahue said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    The two main workflows we have that I have not found viable solutions for yet are ERP and CAD. The ERP is dependent on both windows and SQL.

    It doesn't matter what the ERP runs on (Windows + MS SQL).

    It matters how it is accessed.

    @Donahue said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    CAD, specifically both Autocad and Solidworks, are both dependent on windows at this point,

    Pretty much screwed here without changing solutions. To what, I have no idea as no one has asked me to look.



  • Fedora Cinnamon and Ubuntu are really the main contenders. Best range of support.



  • @JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @Donahue said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    The two main workflows we have that I have not found viable solutions for yet are ERP and CAD. The ERP is dependent on both windows and SQL.

    It doesn't matter what the ERP runs on (Windows + MS SQL).

    It matters how it is accessed.

    @Donahue said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    CAD, specifically both Autocad and Solidworks, are both dependent on windows at this point,

    Pretty much screwed here without changing solutions. To what, I have no idea as no one has asked me to look.

    our current ERP has to be accessed from windows. It needs SQL on the back end, and windows endpoints for the clients. I am already looking into my options for what might replace it, but I cannot at the moment.

    what about wine, is that still a thing? In a similar vein, I had been talking with @scottalanmiller about video games and he mentioned something about steam basically reverse engineering windows to be able to play games without windows. I had wondered at the time if some sort of emulation like that may be able to run these types of applications. Honestly, I doubt it.



  • @Donahue HOW are you interfacing with your ERP? Client programs on client computers? RDP? VNC?



  • a mix of client programs on the computers, and client programs on an RDS server.



  • I woudn't bother even trying until you work out your ERP solution to not be dependent on Windows.



  • @JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    I woudn't bother even trying until you work out your ERP solution to not be dependent on Windows.

    I want to start looking into it now, by getting used to it from personal use. I know we are a long way off before we could run linux at any sort of scale, but I can personally start.



  • @Donahue said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    I woudn't bother even trying until you work out your ERP solution to not be dependent on Windows.

    I want to start looking into it now, by getting used to it from personal use. I know we are a long way off before we could run linux at any sort of scale, but I can personally start.

    You can run Fedora + Cinnamon and use a Windows 10 VM for your ERP needs. I assume you do not need CAD.



  • @JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @Donahue said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    I woudn't bother even trying until you work out your ERP solution to not be dependent on Windows.

    I want to start looking into it now, by getting used to it from personal use. I know we are a long way off before we could run linux at any sort of scale, but I can personally start.

    You can run Fedora + Cinnamon and use a Windows 10 VM for your ERP needs. I assume you do not need CAD.

    unfortunately, I do use CAD. I still make drawings from time to time. back in the other thread, when I explained where we were 4 years ago, I was a mechanical engineer with this company. I have been doing the IT thing full time for only the last two years or so.



  • @Donahue I like Fedora and Suse but what you need will depend on your environment.



  • If you can move all of your apps into RDS or hosted desktops, then you could put Linux on the desktop, but the users wouldn't spend any time there, so not sure it would really matter.



  • @Donahue : Steam uses their own implementation of Wine called Proton and it's OSS.
    Perhaps this can be compiled for other applications?
    https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton



  • Thanks guys, I will check fedora cinnamon and ubuntu out. One question, cinnamon with just fedora, or both?



  • I love linux but linux can't replace Windows. There are many thousands applications that are only available on Windows. Some of them are available on macOS.

    It's almost impossible to run a company of size without windows. People who think you can are just not aware of everything.



  • @Pete-S said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    I love linux but linux can't replace Windows. There are many thousands applications that are only available on Windows. Some of them are available on macOS.

    It's almost impossible to run a company of size without windows. People who think you can are just not aware of everything.

    No, I think you are just deluded, or refuse to see reality only because you are paid to push Windows solutions.

    It is easily and simply possible to be completely OS agnostic in the modern era for any size of corporation.



  • What are the ERP application's dependencies?

    .Net requires a Windows licence, but I believe Mono is supposed to be able to replace .Net 4.5 with feature parity



  • @JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @Pete-S said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    I love linux but linux can't replace Windows. There are many thousands applications that are only available on Windows. Some of them are available on macOS.

    It's almost impossible to run a company of size without windows. People who think you can are just not aware of everything.

    No, I think you are just deluded, or refuse to see reality only because you are paid to push Windows solutions.

    It is easily and simply possible to be completely OS agnostic in the modern era for any size of corporation.

    I hope that was sarcasm. In that case it was pretty funny.



  • @JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    No, I think you are just deluded, or refuse to see reality only because you are paid to push Windows solutions.

    It is easily and simply possible to be completely OS agnostic in the modern era for any size of corporation.

    Completely Agree



  • @aaronstuder said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    No, I think you are just deluded, or refuse to see reality only because you are paid to push Windows solutions.

    It is easily and simply possible to be completely OS agnostic in the modern era for any size of corporation.

    Completely Agree

    OK, so if it's so easy then how do @Donahue and the people he supports go about doing their jobs when Autocad is what they are using and AutoCAD doesn't run under linux? Find another equivalent app?

    Well, you are aware that AutoCAD are industry leaders in their field? There are no equivalents and it's not just the software itself, it's the ecosystem of add-ons and small programs. It's also the fact that subcontractors and consultants have the same software and you need 100% compatibility when exchanging files. It's also the fact that AutoCAD is what people are trained to use and what you can get training and support on.

    It's exactly the same with SolidWorks. And then if they are running manufacturing as well in the company they will have software that prepares the design files and convert them into instructions for the machines to manufacture. CAD/CAM and g-code files, management software for workflow and batch handling for machining centers and what not. It's all going to be software that runs under windows.

    To some degree you can change software, say from SolidWorks to SolidEdge and retrain people maybe to save on licensing costs but like SolidEdge, any competing software on the same level will also be Windows.

    So windows, windows, windows. Ain't no way around it. Not in 2018.



  • @Donahue said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    a mix of client programs on the computers, and client programs on an RDS server.

    If you access via RDP, then you can use Windows for RDS, and Linux of any flavour for end points. That the ERP needs Windows doesn't affect you really if you have the RDS abtraction layer.



  • @jmoore said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @Donahue I like Fedora and Suse but what you need will depend on your environment.

    Bit Suse fan here, too.



  • @Donahue said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    Thanks guys, I will check fedora cinnamon and ubuntu out. One question, cinnamon with just fedora, or both?

    I've not had great luck with Cinnamon on Ubuntu. This is mostly because Ubuntu users who want CInnamon go with Mint. A little complex to explain, but Mint is basically a redistribution of Ubuntu LTS. But Mint is who makes Cinnamon, so you can the latest and greatest there.



  • @Pete-S said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    I love linux but linux can't replace Windows. There are many thousands applications that are only available on Windows. Some of them are available on macOS.

    It's almost impossible to run a company of size without windows. People who think you can are just not aware of everything.

    Since many of us have and do do this, I think it's impossible to claim that we are delusional. We can prove that it can be done. And some of the world's biggest companies don't use Windows. So that Windows is a requirement essentially always is a pretty hard claim to make.

    That many companies have entrenched software and processes and don't have the management skills to change anything is different. That companies won't change, sure. But can't change? That's rare.



  • @flaxking said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    What are the ERP application's dependencies?

    .Net requires a Windows licence, but I believe Mono is supposed to be able to replace .Net 4.5 with feature parity

    .NET not only doesn't require Windows, it's officially platform agnostic. Mono is basically dead because Microsoft moved .NET to being universally available. Not that Mono was bad, it was just never as good as "real" .NET. But now that both .NET and Visual Studio tools for it are available on Linux and MacOS too, there is no call for Mono really (and it will essentially vanish soon.)



  • @Pete-S said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @aaronstuder said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    No, I think you are just deluded, or refuse to see reality only because you are paid to push Windows solutions.

    It is easily and simply possible to be completely OS agnostic in the modern era for any size of corporation.

    Completely Agree

    OK, so if it's so easy then how do @Donahue and the people he supports go about doing their jobs when Autocad is what they are using and AutoCAD doesn't run under linux? Find another equivalent app?

    Well, you are aware that AutoCAD are industry leaders in their field? There are no equivalents and it's not just the software itself, it's the ecosystem of add-ons and small programs. It's also the fact that subcontractors and consultants have the same software and you need 100% compatibility when exchanging files. It's also the fact that AutoCAD is what people are trained to use and what you can get training and support on.

    https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/

    In the US AutoCAD is popular enough that people forget that alternatives even exist. But Dassault (yeah, the big aerospace giant) makes a competitor, and yes it runs on Linux.



  • @scottalanmiller said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @Pete-S said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @aaronstuder said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    No, I think you are just deluded, or refuse to see reality only because you are paid to push Windows solutions.

    It is easily and simply possible to be completely OS agnostic in the modern era for any size of corporation.

    Completely Agree

    OK, so if it's so easy then how do @Donahue and the people he supports go about doing their jobs when Autocad is what they are using and AutoCAD doesn't run under linux? Find another equivalent app?

    Well, you are aware that AutoCAD are industry leaders in their field? There are no equivalents and it's not just the software itself, it's the ecosystem of add-ons and small programs. It's also the fact that subcontractors and consultants have the same software and you need 100% compatibility when exchanging files. It's also the fact that AutoCAD is what people are trained to use and what you can get training and support on.

    https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/

    In the US AutoCAD is popular enough that people forget that alternatives even exist. But Dassault (yeah, the big aerospace giant) makes a competitor, and yes it runs on Linux.

    Draftsight is not even close to AutoCAD. It might be ok for simple projects, but anything more complex, and you're sol. And that's just 2D. Most shops will use Inventor, Revit, perhaps 3ds Max, variants of AutoCAD (Electrical, Mechanical) and store files in Autodesk Vault. Add CAM to the mix, Mastercam for example, and you're stuck with windows, doesn't matter how much you try to move away from it.



  • @scottalanmiller said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @Pete-S said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @aaronstuder said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    No, I think you are just deluded, or refuse to see reality only because you are paid to push Windows solutions.

    It is easily and simply possible to be completely OS agnostic in the modern era for any size of corporation.

    Completely Agree

    OK, so if it's so easy then how do @Donahue and the people he supports go about doing their jobs when Autocad is what they are using and AutoCAD doesn't run under linux? Find another equivalent app?

    Well, you are aware that AutoCAD are industry leaders in their field? There are no equivalents and it's not just the software itself, it's the ecosystem of add-ons and small programs. It's also the fact that subcontractors and consultants have the same software and you need 100% compatibility when exchanging files. It's also the fact that AutoCAD is what people are trained to use and what you can get training and support on.

    https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/

    In the US AutoCAD is popular enough that people forget that alternatives even exist. But Dassault (yeah, the big aerospace giant) makes a competitor, and yes it runs on Linux.

    IIRC Draftsight is their basic offering for people that don't need to pay for the licensing of Solidworks. It's a decent system but no where near as powerful or feature rich as even Dassault's other offerings.



  • @coliver said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @scottalanmiller said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @Pete-S said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @aaronstuder said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    @JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:

    No, I think you are just deluded, or refuse to see reality only because you are paid to push Windows solutions.

    It is easily and simply possible to be completely OS agnostic in the modern era for any size of corporation.

    Completely Agree

    OK, so if it's so easy then how do @Donahue and the people he supports go about doing their jobs when Autocad is what they are using and AutoCAD doesn't run under linux? Find another equivalent app?

    Well, you are aware that AutoCAD are industry leaders in their field? There are no equivalents and it's not just the software itself, it's the ecosystem of add-ons and small programs. It's also the fact that subcontractors and consultants have the same software and you need 100% compatibility when exchanging files. It's also the fact that AutoCAD is what people are trained to use and what you can get training and support on.

    https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/

    In the US AutoCAD is popular enough that people forget that alternatives even exist. But Dassault (yeah, the big aerospace giant) makes a competitor, and yes it runs on Linux.

    IIRC Draftsight is their basic offering for people that don't need to pay for the licensing of Solidworks. It's a decent system but no where near as powerful or feature rich as even Dassault's other offerings.

    My understanding is that DraftSight is 2D and SolidWorks is 3D.


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