I have to change cloud drive service yet again
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@black3dynamite said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Or secondly, completely change to Google Docs or MS online and tell people to edit docs in the browser, because they support multiple users editing at once. That's never going to happen though.
Why not? The users don't want use a browser to work on documents? Cost to much?
Does anybody like working on documents entirely in the browser? Besides MS docs, how would you work on other stuff like Photoshop files, CAD files, flowcharts, any other doc types, those would still require to download/do work/upload which is not an enjoyable process compared to just opening a folder with a shortcut on the desktop and then double-clicking a file.
Plus they lose all the local computer shortcuts for renaming and moving files around, creating them etc. They have to learn a whole new series of tasks for working with files in the web.If that were the only choice, then sure, but it's not the only choice. There should be such a thing in existence called a file sync tool. And there are such things. I'm trying to find one that works solid.
@obsolesce said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Have you tried SharePoint via O365?
Our account level of O365 doesn't include Sharepoint, just 1TB of OneDrive space.
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So I was checking out WebDAV, I have one connected on a Win7 computer and one on Win10.
Except for the Win10 not connecting until I changed registry entries, they are both connected, but no file locks. In fact this appears to be a big deal in NC still:
https://help.nextcloud.com/t/webdav-lock-on-file-doesnt-work/21451
https://github.com/nextcloud/server/issues/1308
https://github.com/nextcloud/desktop/issues/83#issuecomment-377030532Then some people have problems with the default Win10 WebDAV client:
https://help.nextcloud.com/t/windows-10-and-webdav-access/9091
Not sure what's going on here.On top of that, whenever I open a MS Office documents, it prompts for credentials every.single.time.
https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/27213603/How-to-stop-webdav-from-prompting-for-credentials-when-accessing-a-public-internet-based-webdav-site.html
That's annoying, boss would never allow this ridiculous extra step.
So is WebDAV the answer? Kinda meh on that right now. Sure it's not doing local sync, which saves some drive space, but we can't do any work if offline, and annoying prompts, and still no file locks, so really of little benefit it seems. Unless there is a better server than NC which has better support for file locks.
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@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Our account level of O365 doesn't include Sharepoint, just 1TB of OneDrive space.
What are you on the "Business" plan?
Maybe it's worth upgrading someone to the $4 a month more plan and getting a sharepoint site.
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@brrabill said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Our account level of O365 doesn't include Sharepoint, just 1TB of OneDrive space.
What are you on the "Business" plan?
Maybe it's worth upgrading someone to the $4 a month more plan and getting a sharepoint site.
Just one user? Or all users need higher plan to get it?
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@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@brrabill said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Our account level of O365 doesn't include Sharepoint, just 1TB of OneDrive space.
What are you on the "Business" plan?
Maybe it's worth upgrading someone to the $4 a month more plan and getting a sharepoint site.
Just one user? Or all users need higher plan to get it?
All who are going to use it need to have the plan.
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But I mean you can start with one user (or a few) to see if it fits the bill.
Also, depending on what it is, you could just share the stuff out.
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@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I came in the office this morning immediately greeted with "you need to check the cloud..." because once again, somebody claims they moved files from one folder to another, and they DID move and sync, they saw it happen, but 3 days later all the files were magically moved back to their original location.
I don't even know under what conditions something like this could happen, it's like an "undo" event or something. My thoughts are that some other computer which was maybe turned off or hadn't synced in a while, uploaded its files back? Some kind of time stamp issue? I've checked all the computer's clocks but who knows.This sounds like somebody had their computer off for 3 days, and once they powered it on it synced their local files with the NC server, thus putting back files that were once moved/deleted/whatever... Does this sound possible? Is that how the sync client works?
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@bnrstnr said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I came in the office this morning immediately greeted with "you need to check the cloud..." because once again, somebody claims they moved files from one folder to another, and they DID move and sync, they saw it happen, but 3 days later all the files were magically moved back to their original location.
I don't even know under what conditions something like this could happen, it's like an "undo" event or something. My thoughts are that some other computer which was maybe turned off or hadn't synced in a while, uploaded its files back? Some kind of time stamp issue? I've checked all the computer's clocks but who knows.This sounds like somebody had their computer off for 3 days, and once they powered it on it synced their local files with the NC server, thus putting back files that were once moved/deleted/whatever... Does this sound possible? Is that how the sync client works?
That's exactly what I think. I just don't know how that is possible if NC is checking time stamps. Surely it has the knowledge to go the other way around. Telling the lagging computer to remove those files, rather than the computer putting them back.
Not only that, but why isn't NC recording that in the audit trails? It doesn't say such-and-so user moved file here. I can't find any trace of the reversal. -
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I came in the office this morning immediately greeted with "you need to check the cloud..." because once again, somebody claims they moved files from one folder to another, and they DID move and sync, they saw it happen, but 3 days later all the files were magically moved back to their original location.
I don't even know under what conditions something like this could happen, it's like an "undo" event or something. My thoughts are that some other computer which was maybe turned off or hadn't synced in a while, uploaded its files back? Some kind of time stamp issue? I've checked all the computer's clocks but who knows.Wouldn't this create two files at worst? It's not going to overwrite a file or folder in a different folder
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@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I came in the office this morning immediately greeted with "you need to check the cloud..." because once again, somebody claims they moved files from one folder to another, and they DID move and sync, they saw it happen, but 3 days later all the files were magically moved back to their original location.
I don't even know under what conditions something like this could happen, it's like an "undo" event or something. My thoughts are that some other computer which was maybe turned off or hadn't synced in a while, uploaded its files back? Some kind of time stamp issue? I've checked all the computer's clocks but who knows.Wouldn't this create two files at worst? It's not going to overwrite a file or folder in a different folder
You'd think. At worst computer 2 would upload those files back to original folders, and not touch the 2nd folder where they were moved to. But nay nay.
Almost everything connected to NC is an always-on workstation. But we do have have a couple home laptops that come on every once in again. But if this were the case, we'd be dealing with dozens of messed up files, not just occasional reversals like this event.
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@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I came in the office this morning immediately greeted with "you need to check the cloud..." because once again, somebody claims they moved files from one folder to another, and they DID move and sync, they saw it happen, but 3 days later all the files were magically moved back to their original location.
I don't even know under what conditions something like this could happen, it's like an "undo" event or something. My thoughts are that some other computer which was maybe turned off or hadn't synced in a while, uploaded its files back? Some kind of time stamp issue? I've checked all the computer's clocks but who knows.Wouldn't this create two files at worst? It's not going to overwrite a file or folder in a different folder
You'd think. At worst computer 2 would upload those files back to original folders, and not touch the 2nd folder where they were moved to. But nay nay.
Almost everything connected to NC is an always-on workstation. But we do have have a couple home laptops that come on every once in again. But if this were the case, we'd be dealing with dozens of messed up files, not just occasional reversals like this event.
I have never seen a reversal of anything I've ever done in Nextcloud. How many users are accessing it?
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@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I came in the office this morning immediately greeted with "you need to check the cloud..." because once again, somebody claims they moved files from one folder to another, and they DID move and sync, they saw it happen, but 3 days later all the files were magically moved back to their original location.
I don't even know under what conditions something like this could happen, it's like an "undo" event or something. My thoughts are that some other computer which was maybe turned off or hadn't synced in a while, uploaded its files back? Some kind of time stamp issue? I've checked all the computer's clocks but who knows.Wouldn't this create two files at worst? It's not going to overwrite a file or folder in a different folder
You'd think. At worst computer 2 would upload those files back to original folders, and not touch the 2nd folder where they were moved to. But nay nay.
Almost everything connected to NC is an always-on workstation. But we do have have a couple home laptops that come on every once in again. But if this were the case, we'd be dealing with dozens of messed up files, not just occasional reversals like this event.
I have never seen a reversal of anything I've ever done in Nextcloud. How many users are accessing it?
About 11 users, maybe 18 devices. NC was latest version up until 14 dropped recently. Runs on a VULTR Ubuntu box.
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@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I came in the office this morning immediately greeted with "you need to check the cloud..." because once again, somebody claims they moved files from one folder to another, and they DID move and sync, they saw it happen, but 3 days later all the files were magically moved back to their original location.
I don't even know under what conditions something like this could happen, it's like an "undo" event or something. My thoughts are that some other computer which was maybe turned off or hadn't synced in a while, uploaded its files back? Some kind of time stamp issue? I've checked all the computer's clocks but who knows.Wouldn't this create two files at worst? It's not going to overwrite a file or folder in a different folder
You'd think. At worst computer 2 would upload those files back to original folders, and not touch the 2nd folder where they were moved to. But nay nay.
Almost everything connected to NC is an always-on workstation. But we do have have a couple home laptops that come on every once in again. But if this were the case, we'd be dealing with dozens of messed up files, not just occasional reversals like this event.
I have never seen a reversal of anything I've ever done in Nextcloud. How many users are accessing it?
About 11 users, maybe 18 devices. NC was latest version up until 14 dropped recently. Runs on a VULTR Ubuntu box.
That's very few. I was assuming hundreds here.
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@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I came in the office this morning immediately greeted with "you need to check the cloud..." because once again, somebody claims they moved files from one folder to another, and they DID move and sync, they saw it happen, but 3 days later all the files were magically moved back to their original location.
I don't even know under what conditions something like this could happen, it's like an "undo" event or something. My thoughts are that some other computer which was maybe turned off or hadn't synced in a while, uploaded its files back? Some kind of time stamp issue? I've checked all the computer's clocks but who knows.Wouldn't this create two files at worst? It's not going to overwrite a file or folder in a different folder
You'd think. At worst computer 2 would upload those files back to original folders, and not touch the 2nd folder where they were moved to. But nay nay.
Almost everything connected to NC is an always-on workstation. But we do have have a couple home laptops that come on every once in again. But if this were the case, we'd be dealing with dozens of messed up files, not just occasional reversals like this event.
I have never seen a reversal of anything I've ever done in Nextcloud. How many users are accessing it?
About 11 users, maybe 18 devices. NC was latest version up until 14 dropped recently. Runs on a VULTR Ubuntu box.
That's very few. I was assuming hundreds here.
Same
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Hard to imagine NextCloud having these kinds of issues at that kind of scale.
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Ya nothing makes sense. I can't imagine any file operations being "reversed" that aren't user-caused, except for some kind of bug in NC. A glitch in the database or some kind of operation performing maintenance?
I made sure the server met all specs and requirements, I even upgraded the VULTR box once already, performance wise it's running like a champ as far as CPU and RAM.
Last week I connected a couple computers to WebDav, and naturally I come in this morning to a big error that Windows can't connect to the network location, bla bla. I have to go troubleshoot and then delete and recreate the connection.
This is the kinda crap I'm trying to avoid, I can't have people coming in and randomly losing the whole thing. I keep stressing "robust".
I need a cloud that's built as if people actually need to use it. -
@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
except for some kind of bug in NC
What you are experiencing none of us have experienced though
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@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I need a cloud that's built as if people actually need to use it.
I don't think Vultr is part of your issues.
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@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Ya nothing makes sense. I can't imagine any file operations being "reversed" that aren't user-caused..
Safe to assume that this is the issue. If you've not witnessed it first hand, that's definitely what it is.
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@guyinpv said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Ya nothing makes sense. I can't imagine any file operations being "reversed" that aren't user-caused, except for some kind of bug in NC. A glitch in the database or some kind of operation performing maintenance?
If you're using the sync client for everyone. It doesn't take rocket science.
Server -> Client 1 -> Original files ->
-> Client 2 -> Original files -> edits file1.xml -> syncs to Server
-> Client 1 sees different file -> check timestamps -> 'newest' file is kept. Only in this case, the "newest" file is Client1's version because time/date is not correct somewhere.Not always the case, but happens often. Which is one reason everyone is saying to not use the Nextcloud client to sync shared files.
