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    • scottalanmiller
      scottalanmiller @PenguinWrangler last edited by

      @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

      @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

      @scottalanmiller said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

      Here we are, moved the GBI discussion out here.

      So are we talking about GBI? My main point was it was obvious that the author looks down on blue collar jobs, why else would you call them shit jobs? I agree there are useless jobs. I don't agree that there are people that actively work to create these jobs to keep people from being idle. I believe they are an outgrowth of human inefficiency, government bureaucracy, and people trying to protect their jobs from automation. Just to sum up my points.

      So what I want to know is this and I am trying to approach GBI with an open mind so these are my genuine questions.

      1.) If everyone has GBI, do other government benefits go away? Food stamps, SNAP, etc since you should have the money to buy food and basic needs?

      2.) where does the money come from? The government gets it money from taxing. People's income, sale's tax, etc. If someone works are they excluded from GBI? Is your GBI taxed? Are they taxed higher than those of GBI in order to pay for GBI.

      3.) On a philosophical note, does the government not control you once they give you a GBI?

      4.) Also what about child support? Considering the government is now giving you income for your basic needs and I would assume your children, child support wouldn't be needed after a divorce.

      Correct, all of that type of stuff would be unnecessary. And part of the positives there are that the handing out of money is EASY. Takes like no effort to get people their money.

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      • JaredBusch
        JaredBusch last edited by

        Yeah this post proves he doens't understand the entire concept of GBI

        @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

        1.) If everyone has GBI, do other government benefits go away? Food stamps, SNAP, etc since you should have the money to buy food and basic needs?

        2.) where does the money come from? The government gets it money from taxing. People's income, sale's tax, etc. If someone works are they excluded from GBI? Is your GBI taxed? Are they taxed higher than those of GBI in order to pay for GBI.

        3.) On a philosophical note, does the government not control you once they give you a GBI?

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        • PenguinWrangler
          PenguinWrangler @JaredBusch last edited by

          @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

          Yeah this post proves he doens't understand the entire concept of GBI

          @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

          1.) If everyone has GBI, do other government benefits go away? Food stamps, SNAP, etc since you should have the money to buy food and basic needs?

          2.) where does the money come from? The government gets it money from taxing. People's income, sale's tax, etc. If someone works are they excluded from GBI? Is your GBI taxed? Are they taxed higher than those of GBI in order to pay for GBI.

          3.) On a philosophical note, does the government not control you once they give you a GBI?

          There are different competing theories to GBI.

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          • scottalanmiller
            scottalanmiller @PenguinWrangler last edited by

            @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

            1.) If everyone has GBI, do other government benefits go away? Food stamps, SNAP, etc since you should have the money to buy food and basic needs?

            Right, all of these programs would be unnecessary. Because no one would qualify. Everyone has enough money for basic needs like food and shelter.

            And without loads of cost to oversee those programs, you save a fortune in doing this, too.

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            • PenguinWrangler
              PenguinWrangler last edited by

              Still wondering where the money comes from.

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              • scottalanmiller
                scottalanmiller @PenguinWrangler last edited by

                @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                3.) On a philosophical note, does the government not control you once they give you a GBI?

                No, far less. Because today, government money is discretionary. But with GBI, it is not, it is guaranteed. So it is specifically removing the government from a lot of potential meddling.

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                • JaredBusch
                  JaredBusch @PenguinWrangler last edited by

                  @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                  Still wondering where the money comes from.

                  /sigh

                  FFS, the same place it does now.

                  No one has ever stated that no one would work. That would be species stagnation.

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                  • scottalanmiller
                    scottalanmiller @PenguinWrangler last edited by

                    @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                    2.) where does the money come from? The government gets it money from taxing. People's income, sale's tax, etc. If someone works are they excluded from GBI? Is your GBI taxed? Are they taxed higher than those of GBI in order to pay for GBI.

                    No magic here. Where does the money come from today? GBI theory says that LESS money is needed, not more. You never tax government pay, makes no sense.

                    So there is no need for as much money as there is today. You reduce the total government financial needs. Then you take discretionary income (that above GBI) potentially, tax property, tax sales, tax business. Basically, other than simplifying tax laws just to be practical, taxes don't really need to change.

                    That's the magic of GBI, there is really no need for the money to "come from somewhere". We already have a surplus.

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                    • scottalanmiller
                      scottalanmiller last edited by

                      Part of the goal of GBI is to grow, not shrink the economy, while lowering the overhead.

                      Think of any company becoming more lean and efficient. Spend less, earn more.

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                      • DustinB3403
                        DustinB3403 @PenguinWrangler last edited by

                        @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                        Still wondering where the money comes from.

                        By taxing corporations that make billions and maybe pay a few million in taxes, by taxing the positions that can't go away (at an appropriate amount).

                        From the same taxing methods used today, but no you can't tax GBI because then you're defeating the point of it. I already asked this, and was answered on it. really it was more a NYS complaint

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                        • PenguinWrangler
                          PenguinWrangler @JaredBusch last edited by PenguinWrangler

                          @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                          @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                          Still wondering where the money comes from.

                          /sigh

                          FFS, the same place it does now.

                          No one has ever stated that no one would work. That would be species stagnation.

                          I am sorry that I want details, before I get on a bandwagon to totally change my ideas and how things have worked in my country since my country was founded.

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                          • JaredBusch
                            JaredBusch @PenguinWrangler last edited by

                            @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                            @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                            @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                            Still wondering where the money comes from.

                            /sigh

                            FFS, the same place it does now.

                            No one has ever stated that no one would work. That would be species stagnation.

                            I am sorry that I want details, before I get on a bandwagon to totally change my ideas and how things have worked in my country since well my country was founded.

                            Worked well in this country? Bullshit.

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                            • scottalanmiller
                              scottalanmiller @JaredBusch last edited by

                              @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                              @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                              @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                              @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                              Still wondering where the money comes from.

                              /sigh

                              FFS, the same place it does now.

                              No one has ever stated that no one would work. That would be species stagnation.

                              I am sorry that I want details, before I get on a bandwagon to totally change my ideas and how things have worked in my country since well my country was founded.

                              Worked well in this country? Bullshit.

                              He didn't say that. He was pausing for effect.

                              Since... well since the country was founded.

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                              • PenguinWrangler
                                PenguinWrangler @JaredBusch last edited by

                                @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                Still wondering where the money comes from.

                                /sigh

                                FFS, the same place it does now.

                                No one has ever stated that no one would work. That would be species stagnation.

                                I am sorry that I want details, before I get on a bandwagon to totally change my ideas and how things have worked in my country since well my country was founded.

                                Worked well in this country? Bullshit.

                                that was a typo.

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                                • scottalanmiller
                                  scottalanmiller last edited by scottalanmiller

                                  They might have worded poorly since it was founded, so it COULD be worded as...

                                  They've worked poorly since, well... since the country was founded.

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                                  • JaredBusch
                                    JaredBusch @PenguinWrangler last edited by

                                    @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                    @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                    @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                    @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                    @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                    Still wondering where the money comes from.

                                    /sigh

                                    FFS, the same place it does now.

                                    No one has ever stated that no one would work. That would be species stagnation.

                                    I am sorry that I want details, before I get on a bandwagon to totally change my ideas and how things have worked in my country since well my country was founded.

                                    Worked well in this country? Bullshit.

                                    that was a typo.

                                    Ok.

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                                    • DustinB3403
                                      DustinB3403 last edited by

                                      Jobs such as editorial services, could disappear and never be needed again. So long as your software was proficient enough with the language to understand the nuances.

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                                      • scottalanmiller
                                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403 last edited by

                                        @dustinb3403 said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                        Jobs such as editorial services, could disappear and never be needed again. So long as your software was proficient enough with the language to understand the nuances.

                                        That's a tough one, but potential someday. Grammarly isn't cutting it today for that, though.

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                                        • dafyre
                                          dafyre @DustinB3403 last edited by

                                          @dustinb3403 said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                          Jobs such as editorial services, could disappear and never be needed again. So long as your software was proficient enough with the language to understand the nuances.

                                          Jobs like that that need the human nuance to complete them could be done by people that enjoy that kind of work.

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                                          • DustinB3403
                                            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller last edited by

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                            @dustinb3403 said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                            Jobs such as editorial services, could disappear and never be needed again. So long as your software was proficient enough with the language to understand the nuances.

                                            That's a tough one, but potential someday. Grammarly isn't cutting it today for that, though.

                                            Sure, but it's an example of a field that is already being faded out. As Grammarly is being improved the world as a whole would need less bodies.

                                            Just a few bodies to provide input to produce a better piece of software.

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