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    What Microsoft OS is best for business?

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    • Mike Ralston
      Mike Ralston last edited by

      So the consensus is buy 7 or 8 on a prebuilt?

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      • scottalanmiller
        scottalanmiller @Mike Ralston last edited by

        @Mike-Ralston said:

        Now what about a Hackintosh running Windows alongside MacOS?

        There is no license for that.

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        • Mike Ralston
          Mike Ralston last edited by

          Not officially, no.

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          • scottalanmiller
            scottalanmiller @Mike Ralston last edited by

            @Mike-Ralston said:

            Not officially, no.

            Licenses, by definition, are official. Pirated software is unlicensed.

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            • Mike Ralston
              Mike Ralston @scottalanmiller last edited by

              @scottalanmiller You don't need to do anything illegal, you can buy a copy of Mac OS, and a copy of Windows.

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              • scottalanmiller
                scottalanmiller @Mike Ralston last edited by

                @Mike-Ralston said:

                @scottalanmiller You don't need to do anything illegal, you can buy a copy of Mac OS, and a copy of Windows.

                That's pirating. Completely illegal. Buying something unlicensed isn't buying it. The Mac hardware is required for a license. No different legally than shoplifting. It's using something you didn't pay for. The media is all you are buying. The right to use is quite expensive.

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                • Mike Ralston
                  Mike Ralston last edited by

                  Last I knew, you could go out and buy a copy of Mac OS directly from Apple.

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                  • scottalanmiller
                    scottalanmiller @Mike Ralston last edited by

                    @Mike-Ralston said:

                    Last I knew, you could go out and buy a copy of Mac OS directly from Apple.

                    That has never been the case. You can buy the media. The license only applies if it is installed on Mac hardware.

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                    • scottalanmiller
                      scottalanmiller last edited by

                      Remember "buying software" means buying a license. The box at the store means nothing. The disk means nothing. Windows is a free download. The license is where the money goes.

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                      • garak0410
                        garak0410 @Mike Ralston last edited by

                        @Mike-Ralston said:

                        So the consensus is buy 7 or 8 on a prebuilt?

                        I am still buying 7 on my prebuilt machines "just because." I do agree 8.1 is more stable and secure...my users here live off of short cuts and not really the start menu, so going to 8.1 won't be hard if they still just want shortcuts...I really wish "Threshhold" was coming out this fall... 😞

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                        • Dashrender
                          Dashrender last edited by

                          I agree with Scott, for a business environment you should go with mainstream manufactured laptops/desktop specifically business models.
                          As for the OS, most if not all of us should be reimaging the computers as soon as they hit our floor - ditch that OEM installed crap! Moving on - I love Windows 8(.1), but if you have legitimate compatibility issues, then by all means use WIndows 7, but I have yet to find anything that won't run on Windows 8(.1) that will on Windows 7. Granted you may have to ensure you have x86 vs x64, but when you reimage you can take care of that.

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                          • scottalanmiller
                            scottalanmiller last edited by

                            Dash is completely correct. Prebuilt, enterprise hardware with our own, standard images. That's the way to do it for business. Even pretty tiny businesses.

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                              Carnival Boy last edited by

                              @Dashrender said:

                              most if not all of us should be reimaging the computers as soon as they hit our floor - ditch that OEM installed crap!

                              I've never done that, and have never really understood the reasoning behind it. I can see that creating a custom image might save time if you're setting up dozens of PCs at a time, but like a lot of SMEs I tend to only buy PCs a handful at time, if that. I've had headaches in the past installing the correct drivers after doing a vanilla OS install, whereas the pre-installed OEM image always includes the correct drivers.

                              I also buy from the bottom end of HP's business PC range. I don't think these models count as enterprise hardware. The range has a much shorter lifecycle, for example, so a model purchased today might be replaced with a different model in 6 months time with different components, making it impractical to use standard images.

                              So, as usual, I'm probably the odd one out on ML. Well, it's worked for me 🙂

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                              • Mike Ralston
                                Mike Ralston last edited by

                                Can an AD system push out a fresh install? Or must that be done physically?

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                                • scottalanmiller
                                  scottalanmiller @Mike Ralston last edited by

                                  @Mike-Ralston a fresh install of what?

                                  AD is a directory and authentication system. That's all that AD does. AD doesn't have any "actions".

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                                  • Mike Ralston
                                    Mike Ralston last edited by

                                    AD can be used to remotely install programs and updates on a whole network of PC's, can it do fresh Windows installs?

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                                    • Dashrender
                                      Dashrender last edited by

                                      As @scottalanmiller mentioned, AD doesn't do those things, the add-on components do. Does Microsoft have tools that can deploy a Fresh OS to machines, yes it does, several in fact, and they are free. Windows Deployment Services, Microsoft Deployment Tools, etc. Of course they have paid tools, and the names have all changed since I used them, so I won't name any.

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                                      • Dashrender
                                        Dashrender last edited by

                                        But you really don't need MS tools for image creation.

                                        You can build your base machine, sysprep it, then create an image copy of it using Clonezilla (FREE) or setup a FOG server.

                                        With Clonezilla you can have a USB 3.0 drive, put your image on there and attach it to the new units when you need to reimage. I store my images on a network fileshare.

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                                        • scottalanmiller
                                          scottalanmiller @Mike Ralston last edited by

                                          @Mike-Ralston said:

                                          AD can be used to remotely install programs and updates on a whole network of PC's, can it do fresh Windows installs?

                                          AD can't. You can use GPO for that but not AD.

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                                          • Mike Ralston
                                            Mike Ralston last edited by

                                            Ahhhhhhhh, okay.

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