NAS for file server backup
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Does it make sense to have NAS to backup files of File Server even the file server is a VM?
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@justin867 said in NAS for file server backup:
Does it make sense to have NAS to backup files of File Server even the file server is a VM?
Sure you can backup JUST the files directly to a NAS, or you could backup the entire VM to a remote host if you need the ability to spin up in a disaster recovery scenario.
Or you could backup the entire VM to the NAS and restore from there.
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@justin867 said in NAS for file server backup:
Does it make sense to have NAS to backup files of File Server even the file server is a VM?
That it is a file server or a VM are not factors in whether a NAS is the sensible back up medium.
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@scottalanmiller said in NAS for file server backup:
@justin867 said in NAS for file server backup:
Does it make sense to have NAS to backup files of File Server even the file server is a VM?
That it is a file server or a VM are not factors in whether a NAS is the sensible back up medium.
Right. The entire discussion should revolve around what type of backup you need and then what makes a good target for that backup.
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Is it correct to have file level backup of the files of the File Server even the File Server is backup on VM level? I'm planning to have weekly, monthly and yearly backup of the files.
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@justin867 said in NAS for file server backup:
Is it correct to have file level backup of the files of the File Server even the File Server is backup on VM level? I'm planning to have weekly, monthly and yearly backup of the files.
It's not wrong to want it, but it adds to the amount of storage you'd need for your backups. It gives you some more options as well when you need to restore.
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Personally I wouldn't invest in a NAS just because I can go take another desktop and make it a hypervisor /w VM for a backup target for free.
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@justin867 said in NAS for file server backup:
Is it correct to have file level backup of the files of the File Server even the File Server is backup on VM level? I'm planning to have weekly, monthly and yearly backup of the files.
It's not correct or incorrect. They are all aspects of a larger strategy. But some questions...
- Why are you backing up the file server at all? Is there something there that can't be created easily without a backup? if so, what?
- Why are you taking a VM level backup at all?
- Why are you looking to take file level backups if you already took a backup of that data?
There is a lot of unknowns here. Your proposals aren't crazy, but we don't know they are based on. Compare to the following...
"Is it reasonable to drive two miles, take the next right, and eat at the first restaurant on the left?"
Those are "reasonable sounding directions", but we can only answer usefully if we know where you are starting from, what food you like to eat, and what restaurants are in the area. You are asking us about directions without us knowing where you are now, or where you want to go.
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@krisleslie said in NAS for file server backup:
Personally I wouldn't invest in a NAS just because I can go take another desktop and make it a hypervisor /w VM for a backup target for free.
Not many desktops support hot swap drives, few have reasonable RAID options, etc. Desktops are generally not very good for this, and often consumer too much power.
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@scottalanmiller said in NAS for file server backup:
y desktops support hot swap drives, few have reasonable RAID options, etc. Desktops are generally not very good for this, and often consumer too much power.
True, but I'd be in business now lol and would be able to switch to a proper server. I mean you know how I feel, if you can afford a NAS you might as well buy a used server. My champion is the Dell PowerEdge R710 which is cheaper up front cost and better than any nas you could name lol!
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With "NAS" are we talking about:
- the concept "Network Attached Storage"
- a box from some manufacturer that they say is a NAS?
A file server is a NAS y'know.
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@pete-s NAS is netgear readynas or synology. There are others as well.
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@murpheous said in NAS for file server backup:
@pete-s NAS is netgear readynas or synology. There are others as well.
No. . .
NAS is literally any network attached storage device. It could be a desktop with FreeNAS installed on it, or a Synology or a Dell R710 or any other number of devices.
The question that matters for this topic; does a NAS fit the business needs appropriately.
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@krisleslie said in NAS for file server backup:
@scottalanmiller said in NAS for file server backup:
y desktops support hot swap drives, few have reasonable RAID options, etc. Desktops are generally not very good for this, and often consumer too much power.
True, but I'd be in business now lol and would be able to switch to a proper server. I mean you know how I feel, if you can afford a NAS you might as well buy a used server. My champion is the Dell PowerEdge R710 which is cheaper up front cost and better than any nas you could name lol!
Not really, you can get a decent NAS for $250 at a minimum. I have one right here. Works like a champ. Pays for itself over time in reduced power consumption and reduced heat generation. Plus it saves hours of my time. So it's profitable pretty much instantly in ROI terms vs. a desktop.
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@krisleslie said in NAS for file server backup:
My champion is the Dell PowerEdge R710 which is cheaper up front cost and better than any nas you could name lol!
No, that has high drive cost, high power cost, high set up cost. Better than a desktop, but doesn't compete with many NAS.
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@pete-s said in NAS for file server backup:
With "NAS" are we talking about:
- the concept "Network Attached Storage"
- a box from some manufacturer that they say is a NAS?
A file server is a NAS y'know.
No, NAS is a file server, a file server is not a NAS. A NAS is a specific type of file server.
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@dustinb3403 said in NAS for file server backup:
@murpheous said in NAS for file server backup:
@pete-s NAS is netgear readynas or synology. There are others as well.
No. . .
NAS is literally any network attached storage device. It could be a desktop with FreeNAS installed on it, or a Synology or a Dell R710 or any other number of devices.
That's incorrect. NAS is a file server that is sold as an appliance. Building it in some other way cannot be a NAS. NAS means something specific. File server is the general term. And still only applies to devices serving network file protocols.
A SAN is neither a NAS nor a file server, for example, but is network attached, and storage.
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@scottalanmiller said in NAS for file server backup:
Not really, you can get a decent NAS for $250 at a minimum. I have one right here. Works like a champ. Pays for itself over time in reduced power consumption and reduced heat generation. Plus it saves hours of my time. So it's profitable pretty much instantly in ROI terms vs. a desktop.
What do you have?
What's it running? I know it ain't running FreeNAS! -
@fateknollogee said in NAS for file server backup:
@scottalanmiller said in NAS for file server backup:
Not really, you can get a decent NAS for $250 at a minimum. I have one right here. Works like a champ. Pays for itself over time in reduced power consumption and reduced heat generation. Plus it saves hours of my time. So it's profitable pretty much instantly in ROI terms vs. a desktop.
What do you have?
What's it running? I know it ain't running FreeNAS!ReadyNAS and Synology both when I want a "real" NAS rather than a file server that I've built myself.
When building a file server, I typically use Fedora.
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When building a file server, I typically use Fedora.
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@scottalanmiller I'm Curious, Why Fedora? ( i have no other reason than to be curious, Cause i have no idea what it take to build a File server)
