GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group



  • I am trying to deploy shared (on Server 2012 R2) printers via GPP to users in a specific AD group (CheckPrinterUsers), while limiting printing etc to only that group. It only works, if I give the Authenticated Users group print permissions on the print device on the server.

    CheckPrinterUsers group has print and manage permissions on the printer.
    I have added read delegation on the GPO for the CheckPrinterUsers group.

    How can I deploy printers with GPP to a group, but restrict printing to the shared printer to that same group?



  • @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    I am trying to deploy shared (on Server 2012 R2) printers via GPP to users in a specific AD group (CheckPrinterUsers), while limiting printing etc to only that group. It only works, if I give the Authenticated Users group print permissions on the print device on the server.

    CheckPrinterUsers group has print and manage permissions on the printer.
    I have added read delegation on the GPO for the CheckPrinterUsers group.

    How can I deploy printers with GPP to a group, but restrict printing to the shared printer to that same group?

    I assume when you said you added read delegation on the GPO you still had the Authenticated Users Groups as part of read delegation correct?

    As for the access to the printer, you will need to add the Group under Security permissions of that printer
    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/it-pro/windows-server-2003/cc776374(v=ws.10)



  • @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    How can I deploy printers with GPP to a group, but restrict printing to the shared printer to that same group?

    Not sure if I understand this...

    You want to deploy printers to a group of users but not let them use it?



  • @obsolesce I want to deploy 2 printers via GPP/GPO to a group of users called the CheckPrinterUsers. I have limited access to printing to those printers exclusively to CheckPrinterUsers group via the shared printers' security tabs.

    What happens is - The GPP doesn't get applied to the users who are members of that group unless I allow the "Authenticated Users" group print access in the shared printers' security tabs.



  • @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @obsolesce I want to deploy 2 printers via GPP/GPO to a group of users called the CheckPrinterUsers. I have limited access to printing to those printers exclusively to CheckPrinterUsers group via the shared printers' security tabs.

    What happens is - The GPP doesn't get applied to the users who are members of that group unless I allow the "Authenticated Users" group print access in the shared printers' security tabs.

    In the advanced permissions, you can set it to read permissions, just make sure to remove print permissions for authenticated users or everyone group.



  • @black3dynamite Thanks. I tried that, but it didn't seem to work. I am guessing that it is only to read the ACL permissions themselves and not actually grant the "Read" permission.



  • Can't someone just connect directly to the printer and bypass your lockdown share printer?



  • @black3dynamite said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    Can't someone just connect directly to the printer and bypass your lockdown share printer?

    Not if I enable the ACL/firewall on the printer.



  • @black3dynamite said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    Can't someone just connect directly to the printer and bypass your lockdown share printer?

    If that was a concern, you would VLAN the printers so only the print server had access to the VLAN.



  • @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @black3dynamite Thanks. I tried that, but it didn't seem to work. I am guessing that it is only to read the ACL permissions themselves and not actually grant the "Read" permission.

    Does it work when you add the shared printer manually (\\server\shareprinter) from the one of the users in the CheckPrinterUsers group?



  • @black3dynamite said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @black3dynamite Thanks. I tried that, but it didn't seem to work. I am guessing that it is only to read the ACL permissions themselves and not actually grant the "Read" permission.

    Does it work when you add the shared printer manually (\\server\shareprinter) from the one of the users in the CheckPrinterUsers group?

    Yes, I can add the printer via the UNC path.



  • @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @black3dynamite said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @black3dynamite Thanks. I tried that, but it didn't seem to work. I am guessing that it is only to read the ACL permissions themselves and not actually grant the "Read" permission.

    Does it work when you add the shared printer manually (\\server\shareprinter) from the one of the users in the CheckPrinterUsers group?

    Yes, I can add the printer via the UNC path.

    What do you have set for the group policy for security group?



  • @black3dynamite Under security filtering, I first tried authenticated users. Next, I tried the CheckPrintersUsers group and adding the authenticated users with read permissions to the Delegation tab. Right now, it is setup with both groups in the Delegation tab as Read and Authenticated users in security filtering.



  • @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @obsolesce I want to deploy 2 printers via GPP/GPO to a group of users called the CheckPrinterUsers. I have limited access to printing to those printers exclusively to CheckPrinterUsers group via the shared printers' security tabs.

    What happens is - The GPP doesn't get applied to the users who are members of that group unless I allow the "Authenticated Users" group print access in the shared printers' security tabs.

    Okay, there's 3 aspects to this:

    1. Group Policy
    2. Group Policy Targeting
    3. Printer Permissions
    • Printer Permissions:
      • On the print server, in "Devices and Printers", go into the "Printer Properties" of the printer in question, then to the Security tab. Remove "Everyone", and then add the "CheckPrinterUsers" group with Print = Allow checked.
    • Group Policy:
      • Using Group Policy Preferences, under "User Configuration -> Preferences -> Control Panel Settings -> Printers", add a new "Shared Printer".
        • Action = Update
        • Share Path = \\printserver\Printername (click the browse button to find it)
    • Group Policy Targeting:
      • In the above group policy printer window, click the "Common Tab", check "Item-level targeting", then the Targeting button.
      • Click "New Item", then "security group"... select the "CheckPrinterUsers" group, then OK/Apply/OK out of the windows.
      • Make sure this group policy is added in the AD hierarchy so that it is above all the users it's supposed to effect.


  • @obsolesce said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @obsolesce I want to deploy 2 printers via GPP/GPO to a group of users called the CheckPrinterUsers. I have limited access to printing to those printers exclusively to CheckPrinterUsers group via the shared printers' security tabs.

    What happens is - The GPP doesn't get applied to the users who are members of that group unless I allow the "Authenticated Users" group print access in the shared printers' security tabs.

    Okay, there's 3 aspects to this:

    1. Group Policy
    2. Group Policy Targeting
    3. Printer Permissions
    • Printer Permissions:
      • On the print server, in "Devices and Printers", go into the "Printer Properties" of the printer in question, then to the Security tab. Remove "Everyone", and then add the "CheckPrinterUsers" group with Print = Allow checked.
    • Group Policy:
      • Using Group Policy Preferences, under "User Configuration -> Preferences -> Control Panel Settings -> Printers", add a new "Shared Printer".
        • Action = Update
        • Share Path = \\printserver\Printername (click the browse button to find it)
    • Group Policy Targeting:
      • In the above group policy printer window, click the "Common Tab", check "Item-level targeting", then the Targeting button.
      • Click "New Item", then "security group"... select the "CheckPrinterUsers" group, then OK/Apply/OK out of the windows.
      • Make sure this group policy is added in the AD hierarchy so that it is above all the users it's supposed to effect.

    Thanks for breaking it down. This is how it was configured initially, as item-level targeting is my normal way to deploy shared printers. When all that is set that way, it won't install the printers to the users unless I add allow printing to authenticated users group on the printers' ACLs.



  • When item-level targeting is enabled, the RSOP shows that the GPO is applied, but doesn't go into detail beyond that. I guess the item-level targeting-specific info doesn't show up on the RSOP.



  • @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @obsolesce said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @obsolesce I want to deploy 2 printers via GPP/GPO to a group of users called the CheckPrinterUsers. I have limited access to printing to those printers exclusively to CheckPrinterUsers group via the shared printers' security tabs.

    What happens is - The GPP doesn't get applied to the users who are members of that group unless I allow the "Authenticated Users" group print access in the shared printers' security tabs.

    Okay, there's 3 aspects to this:

    1. Group Policy
    2. Group Policy Targeting
    3. Printer Permissions
    • Printer Permissions:
      • On the print server, in "Devices and Printers", go into the "Printer Properties" of the printer in question, then to the Security tab. Remove "Everyone", and then add the "CheckPrinterUsers" group with Print = Allow checked.
    • Group Policy:
      • Using Group Policy Preferences, under "User Configuration -> Preferences -> Control Panel Settings -> Printers", add a new "Shared Printer".
        • Action = Update
        • Share Path = \\printserver\Printername (click the browse button to find it)
    • Group Policy Targeting:
      • In the above group policy printer window, click the "Common Tab", check "Item-level targeting", then the Targeting button.
      • Click "New Item", then "security group"... select the "CheckPrinterUsers" group, then OK/Apply/OK out of the windows.
      • Make sure this group policy is added in the AD hierarchy so that it is above all the users it's supposed to effect.

    Thanks for breaking it down. This is how it was configured initially, as item-level targeting is my normal way to deploy shared printers. When all that is set that way, it won't install the printers to the users unless I add allow printing to authenticated users group on the printers' ACLs.

    Don't know... that's how i've done it and it works without Authenticated users group in there.

    What if you add authenticated users, leave "Print" unchecked, but make sure "Read permissions" is checked?



  • @obsolesce said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @obsolesce said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @obsolesce I want to deploy 2 printers via GPP/GPO to a group of users called the CheckPrinterUsers. I have limited access to printing to those printers exclusively to CheckPrinterUsers group via the shared printers' security tabs.

    What happens is - The GPP doesn't get applied to the users who are members of that group unless I allow the "Authenticated Users" group print access in the shared printers' security tabs.

    Okay, there's 3 aspects to this:

    1. Group Policy
    2. Group Policy Targeting
    3. Printer Permissions
    • Printer Permissions:
      • On the print server, in "Devices and Printers", go into the "Printer Properties" of the printer in question, then to the Security tab. Remove "Everyone", and then add the "CheckPrinterUsers" group with Print = Allow checked.
    • Group Policy:
      • Using Group Policy Preferences, under "User Configuration -> Preferences -> Control Panel Settings -> Printers", add a new "Shared Printer".
        • Action = Update
        • Share Path = \\printserver\Printername (click the browse button to find it)
    • Group Policy Targeting:
      • In the above group policy printer window, click the "Common Tab", check "Item-level targeting", then the Targeting button.
      • Click "New Item", then "security group"... select the "CheckPrinterUsers" group, then OK/Apply/OK out of the windows.
      • Make sure this group policy is added in the AD hierarchy so that it is above all the users it's supposed to effect.

    Thanks for breaking it down. This is how it was configured initially, as item-level targeting is my normal way to deploy shared printers. When all that is set that way, it won't install the printers to the users unless I add allow printing to authenticated users group on the printers' ACLs.

    Don't know... that's how i've done it and it works without Authenticated users group in there.

    What if you add authenticated users, leave "Print" unchecked, but make sure "Read permissions" is checked?

    I tried that too. Does not work 😞



  • If I add "Domain Computers" group to the printer security settings with allow print, it will deploy the printer to the user.



  • @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    If I add "Domain Computers" group to the printer security settings with allow print, it will deploy the printer to the user.

    That's because the computer needs to read the printer before the user can, which is why Authenticated users is used on GPOs as well to be applied.



  • I'm guessing I should create a group of computers then, too.



  • @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @black3dynamite said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    Can't someone just connect directly to the printer and bypass your lockdown share printer?

    Not if I enable the ACL/firewall on the printer.

    what printer has that?



  • Yeah I'm lost now... sounds like a lot of adding/removing general groups that I never had to do.

    Remove/delete the printer and GPOs and start over IMO.



  • I've never had to remove authenticated users from the printer itself, so that seems like an odd issue, but sounds like @dbeato has as good a reasoning as any for why it's not working.



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  • @dashrender said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    I've never had to remove authenticated users from the printer itself, so that seems like an odd issue, but sounds like @dbeato has as good a reasoning as any for why it's not working.

    If I leave authenticated users with print permissions, then anyone will be able to print to the printers, which are for printing out checks.



  • @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @dashrender said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    I've never had to remove authenticated users from the printer itself, so that seems like an odd issue, but sounds like @dbeato has as good a reasoning as any for why it's not working.

    If I leave authenticated users with print permissions, then anyone will be able to print to the printers, which are for printing out checks.

    Try removing authenticated users and everyone. Then add the check printers users group and alsi a check printers computer group, to the printer properties security tab.



  • @obsolesce said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @dashrender said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    I've never had to remove authenticated users from the printer itself, so that seems like an odd issue, but sounds like @dbeato has as good a reasoning as any for why it's not working.

    If I leave authenticated users with print permissions, then anyone will be able to print to the printers, which are for printing out checks.

    Try removing authenticated users and everyone. Then add the check printers users group and alsi a check printers computer group, to the printer properties security tab.

    Yeah, per my previous post, that is what I am doing, as it seems that the GPO needs the computer accounts to have access to the shared printer in order to apply the GPP.



  • @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @obsolesce said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @wrx7m said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    @dashrender said in GPP - Deploying Printers To AD Group:

    I've never had to remove authenticated users from the printer itself, so that seems like an odd issue, but sounds like @dbeato has as good a reasoning as any for why it's not working.

    If I leave authenticated users with print permissions, then anyone will be able to print to the printers, which are for printing out checks.

    Try removing authenticated users and everyone. Then add the check printers users group and alsi a check printers computer group, to the printer properties security tab.

    Yeah, per my previous post, that is what I am doing, as it seems that the GPO needs the computer accounts to have access to the shared printer in order to apply the GPP.

    The GPO applies to the computer regardless of the printer permissions. GPO permissions are completely separate and different from the printer permissions on the print server. I was unsure which you were talking about sometimes.

    The shared printer permissions on the print server must allow the computer (and user) access for it to be "installed" on the computer.

    You don't need to touch the GPO permissions. Just make sure it's applied to Authenticated Users, and linked in Group Policy above the users and computers it shoudl apply to. The "targeting" option within the GPP for that shared printer takes care of who the GPO applies to.

    Perhaps you already knew this and I was just unclear which "permissions" you were referring to sometimes.



  • @obsolesce Right, I am having to add a group of computers to the printers' security permissions with allow printing enabled to get the GPP to actually deploy the printer to the user.

    UNC pathing to the printer by a member of the PrintersChecksUsers (while the user is logged in) allows them to install and print to the printer.

    The GPO shows as applied in the RSOP, but with item level targeting, I don't see any info on why it wasn't actually installed/applied. Maybe it shows it somewhere else.

    The key is the shared printer's security tab on the print server, itself. That is where I have to allow the specific group of computers, as well as the specific group of users. I need both, the computers and users groups to have at least printing allowed.