Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?
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@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
I'd really like to think that a bank doesn't stick with i Series shit solely because of kick backs - but I suppose you'll tell me I'm wrong now.
It's how you'd expect it to have gotten there in the first place. Why would keeping it around be any different?
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@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I have to more likely situation that the cost of moving to new/different systems is mega expensive, custom code, custom exports of old data - custom new solution because no off the self solution exists to fill the needs, etc.
The cost of not moving is more expensive. The sooner you move, the cheaper it is. So.... sounds like something someone getting a kickback would have told you.
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Doesn't it seem impossible and fishy that banking, of all industries, would claim that they had no option but to use ancient, dead platforms and bizarrely proprietary systems? It's not really plausible. Of all industries, banking has choices.
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DB2 will even run on Sparc!
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@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
> Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
You seem to constantly be saying this, and I'm sure it's somewhat common... but knowing the people I know at my company (a very close circle of friends and family) I am very inclined to think that this is not the case -- and if anything, it's only ignorance that lead to these choices. I could be wrong though.
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@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
> Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
You seem to constantly be saying this, and I'm sure it's somewhat common...
It's one of the most common things we see in the industry. Someone taking a personal benefit in order to justify making a horrible decision for the business. I say it constantly because it is constantly what we see. Whether it is a direct financial kickback, or just getting favours of some sort.
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@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
DB2 will even run on Sparc!
BTW, is there any relation between Sparc and Sparak? Our previous system was Sparak, running on a similar looking IBM hardware system.. not sure what the details are though..
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@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
I'd really like to think that a bank doesn't stick with i Series shit solely because of kick backs - but I suppose you'll tell me I'm wrong now.
It's how you'd expect it to have gotten there in the first place. Why would keeping it around be any different?
Because I don't buy it. In the case where my customer has it.. the owner wasn't given a check for buying this - he likely called the company he bought his shit from, they said we use AS/400, so that's what he bought.
Let's assume he dropped 15K on in, do you think he could have hired a programmer to create a from scratch solution on Linux OS with free DB solution for that kind of money?Current solution is Daly & Wilcott Order Entry front-end to DMAS type solution.
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@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
but knowing the people I know at my company (a very close circle of friends and family) I am very inclined to think that this is not the case -- and if anything, it's only ignorance that lead to these choices. I could be wrong though.
That's a scenario I see this happen in a LOT. "Close friend" doesn't know what to do. Vendor offers to cover for them and do their IT job on their behalf and not let the company find out that they were in over their head. The vendor provides a way for the "friend" to keep their job and get paid. Then the "friend" fixes it so that the vendor makes a fortune selling something insanely inappropriate. The "kickback" is handled in the form of the paycheck, but the paycheck is enabled by the vendor playing along and not exposing the gap. The vendor ensures that the "friend" keeps getting money, the "friend" makes sure that the vendor makes 200% - 1,000% of the money that they should.
Incompetence really isn't an excuse. If someone doesn't know what they are doing, they should admit it. Pretending and selling the company out to the vendor to cover for them is the problem. So if you feel someone was incompetent and threw the company under the bus.... well we can discuss semantics if that is truly a kickback or another mechanism, but the result is the same.
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@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
DB2 will even run on Sparc!
BTW, is there any relation between Sparc and Sparak? Our previous system was Sparak, running on a similar looking IBM hardware system.. not sure what the details are though..
Sparc is one of the most important processor families like Power, Itanium, AMD64 and ARM. No clue what a Sparak is.
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Did a search on Sparak, nothnig came up.
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@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
> Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
You seem to constantly be saying this, and I'm sure it's somewhat common... but knowing the people I know at my company (a very close circle of friends and family) I am very inclined to think that this is not the case -- and if anything, it's only ignorance that lead to these choices. I could be wrong though.
To which Scott will simply say that the owners/buyers of this solution then failed at business because they didn't hire proper IT personal to get the correct solution for the company.
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@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
> Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
You seem to constantly be saying this, and I'm sure it's somewhat common...
It's one of the most common things we see in the industry. Someone taking a personal benefit in order to justify making a horrible decision for the business. I say it constantly because it is constantly what we see. Whether it is a direct financial kickback, or just getting favours of some sort.
So do you mean someone like a CIO/CTO would be contacted by a vendor and be offered some sort of compensation in order to steer their company into contracting that vendor? Isn't that 100% illegal?
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@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
I'd really like to think that a bank doesn't stick with i Series shit solely because of kick backs - but I suppose you'll tell me I'm wrong now.
It's how you'd expect it to have gotten there in the first place. Why would keeping it around be any different?
Because I don't buy it. In the case where my customer has it.. the owner wasn't given a check for buying this - he likely called the company he bought his shit from, they said we use AS/400, so that's what he bought.
And? You are thinking that not getting a check directly means no kickback? He DIDN'T have to pay for any IT pro to do the IT work, the vendor did the IT work for "free" and used the position to screw him. Whether the kickback is taking the money spent and handing it back, or not taking it in the first place, the result is identical.
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@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
> Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
You seem to constantly be saying this, and I'm sure it's somewhat common...
It's one of the most common things we see in the industry. Someone taking a personal benefit in order to justify making a horrible decision for the business. I say it constantly because it is constantly what we see. Whether it is a direct financial kickback, or just getting favours of some sort.
So do you mean someone like a CIO/CTO would be contacted by a vendor and be offered some sort of compensation in order to steer their company into contracting that vendor? Isn't that 100% illegal?
Ever heard of a VAR? This is the business model for nearly the entire IT industry. It's never said in so many words, because it doesn't have to be. Every CIO/CTO knows the game, every vendor plays it, and it is 100% legal. It's so common, so accepted in fact, that I've seen people on other IT communities get openly mad when caught doing it and openly said that they would retaliate against their employers for expecting them NOT to do this!
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@dashrender said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
Let's assume he dropped 15K on in, do you think he could have hired a programmer to create a from scratch solution on Linux OS with free DB solution for that kind of money?
You can't buy this stuff for ANYWHERE close to $15K.
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@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
> Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
You seem to constantly be saying this, and I'm sure it's somewhat common...
It's one of the most common things we see in the industry. Someone taking a personal benefit in order to justify making a horrible decision for the business. I say it constantly because it is constantly what we see. Whether it is a direct financial kickback, or just getting favours of some sort.
So do you mean someone like a CIO/CTO would be contacted by a vendor and be offered some sort of compensation in order to steer their company into contracting that vendor? Isn't that 100% illegal?
Ever heard of a VAR? This is the business model for nearly the entire IT industry. It's never said in so many words, because it doesn't have to be. Every CIO/CTO knows the game, every vendor plays it, and it is 100% legal. It's so common, so accepted in fact, that I've seen people on other IT communities get openly mad when caught doing it and openly said that they would retaliate against their employers for expecting them NOT to do this!
Yeah I have heard of a VAR. The only VAR I know of is my Dell VAR and I usually only deal with him a few times a year. I don't doubt that you are wrong, but I don't really understand the game you are talking about. Can you sort of elaborate?
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@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
So do you mean someone like a CIO/CTO would be contacted by a vendor and be offered some sort of compensation in order to steer their company into contracting that vendor?
The money comes directly from the employer. But it is enabled by the vendor. The vendor reaches out and offers to do the CIO's job for them, silently for free, in exchange for the CIO looking the other way while they screw the company. This is how nearly every company operates because IT is so hard to hire.
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@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
but knowing the people I know at my company (a very close circle of friends and family) I am very inclined to think that this is not the case -- and if anything, it's only ignorance that lead to these choices. I could be wrong though.
That's a scenario I see this happen in a LOT. "Close friend" doesn't know what to do. Vendor offers to cover for them and do their IT job on their behalf and not let the company find out that they were in over their head. The vendor provides a way for the "friend" to keep their job and get paid. Then the "friend" fixes it so that the vendor makes a fortune selling something insanely inappropriate. The "kickback" is handled in the form of the paycheck, but the paycheck is enabled by the vendor playing along and not exposing the gap. The vendor ensures that the "friend" keeps getting money, the "friend" makes sure that the vendor makes 200% - 1,000% of the money that they should.
Incompetence really isn't an excuse. If someone doesn't know what they are doing, they should admit it. Pretending and selling the company out to the vendor to cover for them is the problem. So if you feel someone was incompetent and threw the company under the bus.... well we can discuss semantics if that is truly a kickback or another mechanism, but the result is the same.
I never remember to keep this example at the tip of my tongue... Scott - I think you should completely drop the kickback statement from your discussion and ONLY use this lengthy, yet easy to understand example instead.
Though you should expand upon it to include something like, the owner was to lazy, incompetent to ensure he hired the correct vendor/consultant, etc to get the right thing for the company.
In many, I have to assume my customer's case as well, the owner went to a VAR and said - I need a solution for my new distribution company - and the VAR said -- hey, I sell these IBM things. The owner not knowing ANYTHING about IT, said - um ok.. and bought it. end of story. -
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@scottalanmiller said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
@dave247 said in Disaster Recovery as a service companies that support IBM iSeries / AS400 systems?:
I will need to make sure I remember that and try to correct everyone I work with who calls it that... lol
They'll just be confused. If they are calling it that, they are pretty lost and are just repeating things they've heard and have no idea what it really is. Most people don't know the first thing about them and call them that. Avoid those people
mmm yeah well that is the lady who's in charge of the main application for which the iSeries is the back-end of. She does not know anything and calls it AS400 on the reg.
Well... yes, the people who know nothing always call it AS/400
Well it is confusing as shit how IBM has changed names and stuff..
There is a reason. These systems are absolute garbage and people only buy them when they have no choice (therefore the confusing bit doesn't matter) or they are confused (so the confusion is the REASON that they get sold.) The confusion, I assure you, is intentional. The entire "i" market is people that were seriously confused.
How in the effing hell would they not have a choice???
> Politics. Someone higher up got a kickback for using the gear is a very common scenario.
You seem to constantly be saying this, and I'm sure it's somewhat common...
It's one of the most common things we see in the industry. Someone taking a personal benefit in order to justify making a horrible decision for the business. I say it constantly because it is constantly what we see. Whether it is a direct financial kickback, or just getting favours of some sort.
So do you mean someone like a CIO/CTO would be contacted by a vendor and be offered some sort of compensation in order to steer their company into contracting that vendor? Isn't that 100% illegal?
Ever heard of a VAR? This is the business model for nearly the entire IT industry. It's never said in so many words, because it doesn't have to be. Every CIO/CTO knows the game, every vendor plays it, and it is 100% legal. It's so common, so accepted in fact, that I've seen people on other IT communities get openly mad when caught doing it and openly said that they would retaliate against their employers for expecting them NOT to do this!
Yeah I have heard of a VAR. The only VAR I know of is my Dell VAR and I usually only deal with him a few times a year. I don't doubt that you are wrong, but I don't really understand the game you are talking about. Can you sort of elaborate?
I'll put it in a different thread.
