Do we dislike Ubuntu



  • Re: Install Nextcloud 13.0.0 on Fedora 27

    @brandon220 said in Install Nextcloud 13.0.0 on Fedora 27:

    I have a 2 Tb Nextcloud install on Ubuntu (16.04) from a couple years ago. I need to migrate everything to a new server using Fedora but a migration seems harder than it should be. Hopefully I will tackle it soon. I've not had any issues with Ubuntu but everyone here seems to dislike it.

    @scottalanmiller said in Install Nextcloud 13.0.0 on Fedora 27:

    "Dislike" is strong. "Don't like compared to common alternatives" is better.

    I do not think dislike is strong. Hate would be strong. Not preferring is disliking I feel.

    I prefer Fedora and RHEL/CentOS. If I need the LTS unchanging base, I use CentOS or RHEL. Otherwise I use Fedora.

    When it comes to solutions that all but require Ubuntu (looking at oyu Ubiquiti), I try to use Debian first if possible.

    But if the application requires Ubuntu, I have no problems running it there.

    I will likely bitch about it because it is not my preference, but I will not hate it.



  • @jaredbusch speaking of Ubuntu and Debian have you ever tested XS and XO yet?



  • @jaredbusch said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    Re: Install Nextcloud 13.0.0 on Fedora 27

    @brandon220 said in Install Nextcloud 13.0.0 on Fedora 27:

    I have a 2 Tb Nextcloud install on Ubuntu (16.04) from a couple years ago. I need to migrate everything to a new server using Fedora but a migration seems harder than it should be. Hopefully I will tackle it soon. I've not had any issues with Ubuntu but everyone here seems to dislike it.

    @scottalanmiller said in Install Nextcloud 13.0.0 on Fedora 27:

    "Dislike" is strong. "Don't like compared to common alternatives" is better.

    I do not think dislike is strong. Hate would be strong. Not preferring is disliking I feel.

    I prefer Fedora and RHEL/CentOS. If I need the LTS unchanging base, I use CentOS or RHEL. Otherwise I use Fedora.

    When it comes to solutions that all but require Ubuntu (looking at oyu Ubiquiti), I try to use Debian first if possible.

    But if the application requires Ubuntu, I have no problems running it there.

    I will likely bitch about it because it is not my preference, but I will not hate it.

    I feel exactly the same way.



  • @jaredbusch

    I will take the floor and rant:

    Well Ubuntu, actually Canonical are acting alot like MS with recent innovation, I dont like the way they are heading and taking the community.

    For example snap packages, what stupid concept and abit shady, it creates abstraction layer that should not be there in the first place, and it is tied to their OS and only recently it got open to other distros, but it open grounds for newer way of apps that are paid, I dont mind paid apps and supporting the devs, but not knowing what is inside , why they want to push the user more and more away from manually installing packages and be in charge, instead with snaps this allows others in charge which is usually a bad thing + snap apps are not like "real" apps they have poor performance, try running rocketchat in a snap, sure it takes 1 min to setup but its very slow and laggy, which gives the wrong impression on linux, and what more that I can say when skype gets released as snap package in quick manner.

    Secondly why reinvent the wheel with docker and create lxd, really who would use number 2 ? when they can use number 1, i feel canonical stopped innovating since 8.04 and 8.10, and with that big fiasco of UNity UI and forcing on users same way Win10 does. The problem is not with Ubuntu desktop or server, Its with the management that have to fork everything and make it canonical, I think the crisis started when Ubuntu stopped down-streaming on Debian unstable, and created their own stuff that does not benefit the community, and I dont see any scenario to use ubuntu server or desktop, when there are other OS actually by just using them you benefit the community in the upsteam/downstream cycle, when ubuntu was based on debian unstable, using ubuntu helped debian and visa versa.

    Now with Fedora workstation, no real need for Ubuntu desktop, same goes for the server, the only reason to use ubuntu server is cause there is software that is tied to ubuntu server like openstack or MAAS, not from innovations but from money that made those software closer to ubuntu.



  • @emad-r said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    Secondly why reinvent the wheel with docker and create lxd, really who would use number 2 ?

    Actually Docker is the reinvented wheel there. LXC predates it by a LONG time and for the first few years Docker was just extra stuff on top of LXC. LXD is just a really nice interface for LXC.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    LXD is just a really nice interface for LXC.

    Huh? LXD still uses LXC under the hood...



  • I like Ubuntu

    (gets vegetables thrown at me)



  • @irj said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    I like Ubuntu

    (gets vegetables thrown at me)

    Throws a Windows 8 box at @aaronstuder, that for your silly "desktop acting like a tablet" gui!

    Yeah, I never understood the appeal of having a desktop interface that could also run on a tablet or phone. Made the large monitor feel so dis-used.



  • I use RHEL and CentOS for production stuff at work since we have support, but I have no problem with Unbuntu for my personal stuff



  • It has been a while since I have deployed Ubuntu Server with the exception of my Unifi Controller. I honestly did not try it on Cent or Fedora. I can't say that I ever had any real issues with Ubuntu. Years ago, it seemed very popular and that is most likely why I started using it.



  • @brandon220 said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    It has been a while since I have deployed Ubuntu Server with the exception of my Unifi Controller. I honestly did not try it on Cent or Fedora. I can't say that I ever had any real issues with Ubuntu. Years ago, it seemed very popular and that is most likely why I started using it.

    It was (and probably still is) a hugely popular desktop OS for those that want to run desktop Linux.

    But I was always a RHEL and CentOS OS user for my servers.



  • I started my Linux career with Mandriva but soon moved to Debian and Ubuntu. I am still a fan of Debian instead of ubuntu but the setup of Selinux with Fedora, CentOS and others which Ubuntu still has which is going to move me there soon.



  • @dbeato You arent a fan of apparmor? Neither am I. At least selinux can be installed on deb/ubu rather easily.



  • @momurda said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    @dbeato You arent a fan of apparmor? Neither am I. At least selinux can be installed on deb/ubu rather easily.

    I am not a fan of apparmor for sure.



  • @momurda said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    @dbeato You arent a fan of apparmor? Neither am I. At least selinux can be installed on deb/ubu rather easily.

    I knew about selinux way before I knew about apparmor.



  • What's the reason for Ubuntu not having firewall enabled by default these days?



  • @black3dynamite said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    What's the reason for Ubuntu not having firewall enabled by default these days?

    Simplicity for the user base. . .



  • @black3dynamite said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    What's the reason for Ubuntu not having firewall enabled by default these days?

    UFW is enabled on Ubuntu by default.



  • @dbeato said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    @black3dynamite said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    What's the reason for Ubuntu not having firewall enabled by default these days?

    UFW is enabled on Ubuntu by default.

    What's the default rules for inbounds?



  • @black3dynamite said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    @dbeato said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    @black3dynamite said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    What's the reason for Ubuntu not having firewall enabled by default these days?

    UFW is enabled on Ubuntu by default.

    What's the default rules for inbounds?

    It is supposed to be incoming deny and outgoing allow.



  • Don't like the desktop really, but I actually quite like the server edition.



  • Really like what I'm reading here and the other threads/community...but I'm still a linux newbie (for several years)..I do not claim to know it all or anything to be advanced, but has stuck with what we have here (Ubuntu server) which I know enough on how to manage.

    On the desktop side, I've had it in my personal laptop which is now decommissioned due to hardware failure. I actually liked the desktop (have not tried other ones though...aside from Windows 🤣 ).



  • My default is normally CentOS no real reason apart from it's what I've always used. But as I'm a newbie as such with Linux if the install guide shows Ubuntu then I'll use that.



  • @vhinzsanchez said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    Really like what I'm reading here and the other threads/community...but I'm still a linux newbie (for several years)..I do not claim to know it all or anything to be advanced, but has stuck with what we have here (Ubuntu server) which I know enough on how to manage.

    I'm with you here. While I know Ubuntu isn't the favoured distro here, there is SO much documentation out there that it was the easiest for me to begin learning Linux and it's been a huge help getting me out of the Windows comfort zone. I've just now started down the path of other distros.



  • @nashbrydges said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    @vhinzsanchez said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    Really like what I'm reading here and the other threads/community...but I'm still a linux newbie (for several years)..I do not claim to know it all or anything to be advanced, but has stuck with what we have here (Ubuntu server) which I know enough on how to manage.

    I'm with you here. While I know Ubuntu isn't the favoured distro here, there is SO much documentation out there that it was the easiest for me to begin learning Linux and it's been a huge help getting me out of the Windows comfort zone. I've just now started down the path of other distros.

    Although it needs way more documnetation that some others 😉

    One of the reasons that I dislike Ubuntu is that their own docs weren't correct and information was not reliable.



  • No thanks on Ubuntu. I prefer Fedora for workstations and CentOS/RHEL for servers. I haven't tried Fedora on servers but have needed more stability and less bleeding edge features. Curious to start trying it out as a server instance in a lab though.



  • @bbigford said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    No thanks on Ubuntu. I prefer Fedora for workstations and CentOS/RHEL for servers. I haven't tried Fedora on servers but have needed more stability and less bleeding edge features. Curious to start trying it out as a server instance in a lab though.

    Fedora is not bleeding edge, that's not the right way to think of it. It's just current, if anything, I'd say that it is probably the more stable of the two. CentOS is "old", not "stable". The two are not the same thing. CentOS is for specific cases where you need to maintain unchanging libraries - not something you ideally want. We specifically want Fedora for better stability over CentOS.



  • @bbigford said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    No thanks on Ubuntu. I prefer Fedora for workstations and CentOS/RHEL for servers. I haven't tried Fedora on servers but have needed more stability and less bleeding edge features. Curious to start trying it out as a server instance in a lab though.

    The way I've been using CentOS and Fedora. Is that I would use Fedora by default unless there some weird setup that can break easily because of upgrading to a new version of Fedora or requires more effort to get it working correctly.



  • @black3dynamite said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    @bbigford said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    No thanks on Ubuntu. I prefer Fedora for workstations and CentOS/RHEL for servers. I haven't tried Fedora on servers but have needed more stability and less bleeding edge features. Curious to start trying it out as a server instance in a lab though.

    The way I've been using CentOS and Fedora. Is that I would use Fedora by default unless there some weird setup that can break easily because of upgrading to a new version of Fedora or requires more effort to get it working correctly.

    Yeah, CentOS only as a "fallback".



  • @scottalanmiller said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    @black3dynamite said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    @bbigford said in Do we dislike Ubuntu:

    No thanks on Ubuntu. I prefer Fedora for workstations and CentOS/RHEL for servers. I haven't tried Fedora on servers but have needed more stability and less bleeding edge features. Curious to start trying it out as a server instance in a lab though.

    The way I've been using CentOS and Fedora. Is that I would use Fedora by default unless there some weird setup that can break easily because of upgrading to a new version of Fedora or requires more effort to get it working correctly.

    Yeah, CentOS only as a "fallback".

    Would you consider the same for Ubuntu? Latest Ubuntu release, LTS as a fallback?