Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin





  • I'm not sure how wildly the other crypto coins are fluctuating, but that can't be really usable.



  • I wonder which one they see as not going berserk like Bitcoin?



  • They're all swinging back an forth pretty big. Today they are up, yesterday, it varied.

    Ethereum seems to be killing it today. UP ~10% against Euro and USD. Up 7% against BTC.



  • @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    I'm not sure how wildly the other crypto coins are fluctuating, but that can't be really usable.

    From what I businesses that accept it currently have an agreement with the payment solution that exchanges for cash instantly. They lock in the rate for 60 seconds during the transaction and honor in the locked in rate while the exchange completes. Business gets cash.



  • @irj said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    I'm not sure how wildly the other crypto coins are fluctuating, but that can't be really usable.

    From what I businesses that accept it currently have an agreement with the payment solution that exchanges for cash instantly. They lock in the rate for 60 seconds during the transaction and honor in the locked in rate while the exchange completes. Business gets cash.

    god knows that couldn't be bitcoin then.. I heard it can take over 10 hrs to lock in a transaction.



  • @irj

    Makes sense, I am tired of crypto currency being equal to bitcoin.

    Bitcoin is the first version of it, think x86, and then other versions like x86-x64 with enhancements.

    Bitcoin gave unfair advantage to greed instead of community, it allowed people to get GPU + special mining ASIC modules and gave them power up.

    My money is on MONERO, it actually tried to punish and limit people that use GPU, and that makes sense, instead of wasting earth electricity, we all have computers, and if you ran task (you can only make it 1 core task from your quad or hexa or 8 cpu) on that computer and you believed in something that is value, then guess what we will have 1,000,000 computer running in network that belives the same thing, and that creates value, and stable network, instead +of ASIC and GPU Farms belonging to 1 person or country and it is hell alot better than Banks, cause you learn cause it is open to some degree, cause you can be teller + miner + receiver +sender all using computer + internet which makes sense, I dont know why we have to deal with current system that instead of focus on security just throws all the money on insurance, so it is okay if bank gets robbed or hacked, when we can learn how to secure it yourself and be involved. Hell if you think about it what makes 50 dollar bill, a 50 dollar instead of 1 additional number than 5 dollar bill. so we can create value to those currencies, but it is abit weird having to believe in all of the variations, just like dealing us US dollar or Canada dollar or EURO, most people will just deal with the US dollar (like bitcoin) even though there are better choices outthere.



  • @emad-r said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @irj

    Makes sense, I am tired of crypto currency being equal to bitcoin.

    Bitcoin is the first version of it, think x86, and then other versions like x86-x64 with enhancements.

    Bitcoin gave unfair advantage to greed instead of community, it allowed people to get GPU + special mining ASIC modules and gave them power up.

    My money is on MONERO, it actually tried to punish and limit people that use GPU, and that makes sense, instead of wasting earth electricity, we all have computers, and if you ran task (you can only make it 1 core task from your quad or hexa or 8 cpu) on that computer and you believed in something that is value,

    I wonder if this is a misunderstanding?
    Perhaps MONERO does do these limits, but really, how practical are they? So you have a six core system, you just virtualize it and run 6 processes.
    This seems like the thinking of the record companies - in their attempts to use DRM to keep pirates from making copies of songs. I just don't expect it to really work as people will always try to find ways to game the system.

    There was no difference in the gold rush days - those with money could afford to buy the land and hire the help to find the gold, today they buy the ASICs to mine the bitcoin.



  • @emad-r said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @irj

    Makes sense, I am tired of crypto currency being equal to bitcoin.

    Bitcoin is the first version of it, think x86, and then other versions like x86-x64 with enhancements.

    Bitcoin gave unfair advantage to greed instead of community, it allowed people to get GPU + special mining ASIC modules and gave them power up.

    My money is on MONERO, it actually tried to punish and limit people that use GPU, and that makes sense, instead of wasting earth electricity, we all have computers, and if you ran task (you can only make it 1 core task from your quad or hexa or 8 cpu) on that computer and you believed in something that is value, then guess what we will have 1,000,000 computer running in network that belives the same thing, and that creates value, and stable network, instead +of ASIC and GPU Farms belonging to 1 person or country and it is hell alot better than Banks, cause you learn cause it is open to some degree, cause you can be teller + miner + receiver +sender all using computer + internet which makes sense, I dont know why we have to deal with current system that instead of focus on security just throws all the money on insurance, so it is okay if bank gets robbed or hacked, when we can learn how to secure it yourself and be involved. Hell if you think about it what makes 50 dollar bill, a 50 dollar instead of 1 additional number than 5 dollar bill. so we can create value to those currencies, but it is abit weird having to believe in all of the variations, just like dealing us US dollar or Canada dollar or EURO, most people will just deal with the US dollar (like bitcoin) even though there are better choices outthere.

    @dafyre and I have been working together to find the best CPU mineable coin. For us it has been electroneum for many of the reasons mentioned above. Monero is what most people beleive is the one to target if you use CPU to mine, but electroneum is even easier to mine than Monero for the devices I have.



  • @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @emad-r said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @irj

    Makes sense, I am tired of crypto currency being equal to bitcoin.

    Bitcoin is the first version of it, think x86, and then other versions like x86-x64 with enhancements.

    Bitcoin gave unfair advantage to greed instead of community, it allowed people to get GPU + special mining ASIC modules and gave them power up.

    My money is on MONERO, it actually tried to punish and limit people that use GPU, and that makes sense, instead of wasting earth electricity, we all have computers, and if you ran task (you can only make it 1 core task from your quad or hexa or 8 cpu) on that computer and you believed in something that is value,

    I wonder if this is a misunderstanding?
    Perhaps MONERO does do these limits, but really, how practical are they? So you have a six core system, you just virtualize it and run 6 processes.

    That doesnt work. I am mining with a celeron right now and it is shit at best lol.



  • @irj said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @emad-r said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @irj

    Makes sense, I am tired of crypto currency being equal to bitcoin.

    Bitcoin is the first version of it, think x86, and then other versions like x86-x64 with enhancements.

    Bitcoin gave unfair advantage to greed instead of community, it allowed people to get GPU + special mining ASIC modules and gave them power up.

    My money is on MONERO, it actually tried to punish and limit people that use GPU, and that makes sense, instead of wasting earth electricity, we all have computers, and if you ran task (you can only make it 1 core task from your quad or hexa or 8 cpu) on that computer and you believed in something that is value,

    I wonder if this is a misunderstanding?
    Perhaps MONERO does do these limits, but really, how practical are they? So you have a six core system, you just virtualize it and run 6 processes.

    That doesnt work. I am mining with a celeron right now and it is shit at best lol.

    I understand there are algorithms that are somehow just time intensive, if not actually processor intensive. Is that what's going on here? And can't you short circuit that by simply running more and more threads? Or is an account limited to a single thread?



  • @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    I'm not sure how wildly the other crypto coins are fluctuating, but that can't be really usable.

    Why wouldn't it be usable?



  • @scottalanmiller said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    I'm not sure how wildly the other crypto coins are fluctuating, but that can't be really usable.

    Why wouldn't it be usable?

    Because if I buy a cup of coffee from you right this second, and 1 BTC is worth $6, but in 10 seconds, it's suddenly worth 60 cents... That's losing the business money, until BTC goes back up.



  • @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @irj said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    I'm not sure how wildly the other crypto coins are fluctuating, but that can't be really usable.

    From what I businesses that accept it currently have an agreement with the payment solution that exchanges for cash instantly. They lock in the rate for 60 seconds during the transaction and honor in the locked in rate while the exchange completes. Business gets cash.

    god knows that couldn't be bitcoin then.. I heard it can take over 10 hrs to lock in a transaction.

    That's why no one sees it as heavily viable.



  • @dafyre said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    I'm not sure how wildly the other crypto coins are fluctuating, but that can't be really usable.

    Why wouldn't it be usable?

    Because if I buy a cup of coffee from you right this second, and 1 BTC is worth $6, but in 10 seconds, it's suddenly worth 60 cents... That's losing the business money, until BTC goes back up.

    So....

    1. They specifically aren't using BTC for that reason.
    2. It doesn't fluctuate like that, even on crazy days.
    3. That it DOES come back up means that they can just wait a few minutes and make a fortune - if the problem exists, then so does a solution.


  • @scottalanmiller said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dafyre said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    I'm not sure how wildly the other crypto coins are fluctuating, but that can't be really usable.

    Why wouldn't it be usable?

    Because if I buy a cup of coffee from you right this second, and 1 BTC is worth $6, but in 10 seconds, it's suddenly worth 60 cents... That's losing the business money, until BTC goes back up.

    So....

    1. They specifically aren't using BTC for that reason.
    2. It doesn't fluctuate like that, even on crazy days.
    3. That it DOES come back up means that they can just wait a few minutes and make a fortune - if the problem exists, then so does a solution.

    I know with property the bank is able to guarantee cash at the time of sale once they lock in the price. I would expect something similiar in this situation. A guaranteed lock in that comes with a slight fee of course....



  • @dafyre said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    I'm not sure how wildly the other crypto coins are fluctuating, but that can't be really usable.

    Why wouldn't it be usable?

    Because if I buy a cup of coffee from you right this second, and 1 BTC is worth $6, but in 10 seconds, it's suddenly worth 60 cents... That's losing the business money, until BTC goes back up.

    exactly!



  • @scottalanmiller said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @irj said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    I'm not sure how wildly the other crypto coins are fluctuating, but that can't be really usable.

    From what I businesses that accept it currently have an agreement with the payment solution that exchanges for cash instantly. They lock in the rate for 60 seconds during the transaction and honor in the locked in rate while the exchange completes. Business gets cash.

    god knows that couldn't be bitcoin then.. I heard it can take over 10 hrs to lock in a transaction.

    That's why no one sees it as heavily viable.

    Hense my statement... I don't see how StarBucks can use it, unless as someone else pointed out.. that the transaction is locked with a "crypto converter" to USD the moment the transaction happens. Starbucks doesn't likely care about hanging onto crypto currency.. they likely want USD (for US customers).



  • @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dafyre said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    I'm not sure how wildly the other crypto coins are fluctuating, but that can't be really usable.

    Why wouldn't it be usable?

    Because if I buy a cup of coffee from you right this second, and 1 BTC is worth $6, but in 10 seconds, it's suddenly worth 60 cents... That's losing the business money, until BTC goes back up.

    exactly!

    But that makes NO sense.



  • @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @irj said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    I'm not sure how wildly the other crypto coins are fluctuating, but that can't be really usable.

    From what I businesses that accept it currently have an agreement with the payment solution that exchanges for cash instantly. They lock in the rate for 60 seconds during the transaction and honor in the locked in rate while the exchange completes. Business gets cash.

    god knows that couldn't be bitcoin then.. I heard it can take over 10 hrs to lock in a transaction.

    That's why no one sees it as heavily viable.

    Hense my statement... I don't see how StarBucks can use it, unless as someone else pointed out.. that the transaction is locked with a "crypto converter" to USD the moment the transaction happens. Starbucks doesn't likely care about hanging onto crypto currency.. they likely want USD (for US customers).

    That's not how currency works. You are using a completely false assumption, that currencies you don't use fluctuate at an insane rate that has never been witnessed anywhere ever, and that currencies you do use do not do this - and then using that false assumption as the basis for further logic. But your starting point is invalid. Even the craziest currencies with any liquidity do not do that at all.



  • @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @emad-r said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @irj

    Makes sense, I am tired of crypto currency being equal to bitcoin.

    Bitcoin is the first version of it, think x86, and then other versions like x86-x64 with enhancements.

    Bitcoin gave unfair advantage to greed instead of community, it allowed people to get GPU + special mining ASIC modules and gave them power up.

    My money is on MONERO, it actually tried to punish and limit people that use GPU, and that makes sense, instead of wasting earth electricity, we all have computers, and if you ran task (you can only make it 1 core task from your quad or hexa or 8 cpu) on that computer and you believed in something that is value,

    I wonder if this is a misunderstanding?
    Perhaps MONERO does do these limits, but really, how practical are they? So you have a six core system, you just virtualize it and run 6 processes.
    This seems like the thinking of the record companies - in their attempts to use DRM to keep pirates from making copies of songs. I just don't expect it to really work as people will always try to find ways to game the system.

    There was no difference in the gold rush days - those with money could afford to buy the land and hire the help to find the gold, today they buy the ASICs to mine the bitcoin.

    The limit is not on the CPU, the limit they put are on GPU and ASIC .

    You can run MONERO mining on all of your CPU threads, or only 1, or 2,3,4 ...etc

    However they try to limit GPU mining and ASIC mining, which gives unfair advantage, and helps create market for greed mining, like mining farms, but when you do CPU only mine, it kinda gives everyone somewhat of fair chance, or it makes it realistic for normal users to get involved and be part of something, instead of someone else hijacking all the coins.



  • @emad-r said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @emad-r said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @irj

    Makes sense, I am tired of crypto currency being equal to bitcoin.

    Bitcoin is the first version of it, think x86, and then other versions like x86-x64 with enhancements.

    Bitcoin gave unfair advantage to greed instead of community, it allowed people to get GPU + special mining ASIC modules and gave them power up.

    My money is on MONERO, it actually tried to punish and limit people that use GPU, and that makes sense, instead of wasting earth electricity, we all have computers, and if you ran task (you can only make it 1 core task from your quad or hexa or 8 cpu) on that computer and you believed in something that is value,

    I wonder if this is a misunderstanding?
    Perhaps MONERO does do these limits, but really, how practical are they? So you have a six core system, you just virtualize it and run 6 processes.
    This seems like the thinking of the record companies - in their attempts to use DRM to keep pirates from making copies of songs. I just don't expect it to really work as people will always try to find ways to game the system.

    There was no difference in the gold rush days - those with money could afford to buy the land and hire the help to find the gold, today they buy the ASICs to mine the bitcoin.

    The limit is not on the CPU, the limit they put are on GPU and ASIC .

    You can run MONERO mining on all of your CPU threads, or only 1, or 2,3,4 ...etc

    However they try to limit GPU mining and ASIC mining, which gives unfair advantage, and helps create market for greed mining, like mining farms, but when you do CPU only mine, it kinda gives everyone somewhat of fair chance, or it makes it realistic for normal users to get involved and be part of something, instead of someone else hijacking all the coins.

    But it makes mining take WAY more electricity and time.



  • @emad-r said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @emad-r said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @irj

    Makes sense, I am tired of crypto currency being equal to bitcoin.

    Bitcoin is the first version of it, think x86, and then other versions like x86-x64 with enhancements.

    Bitcoin gave unfair advantage to greed instead of community, it allowed people to get GPU + special mining ASIC modules and gave them power up.

    My money is on MONERO, it actually tried to punish and limit people that use GPU, and that makes sense, instead of wasting earth electricity, we all have computers, and if you ran task (you can only make it 1 core task from your quad or hexa or 8 cpu) on that computer and you believed in something that is value,

    I wonder if this is a misunderstanding?
    Perhaps MONERO does do these limits, but really, how practical are they? So you have a six core system, you just virtualize it and run 6 processes.
    This seems like the thinking of the record companies - in their attempts to use DRM to keep pirates from making copies of songs. I just don't expect it to really work as people will always try to find ways to game the system.

    There was no difference in the gold rush days - those with money could afford to buy the land and hire the help to find the gold, today they buy the ASICs to mine the bitcoin.

    The limit is not on the CPU, the limit they put are on GPU and ASIC .

    You can run MONERO mining on all of your CPU threads, or only 1, or 2,3,4 ...etc

    However they try to limit GPU mining and ASIC mining, which gives unfair advantage, and helps create market for greed mining, like mining farms, but when you do CPU only mine, it kinda gives everyone somewhat of fair chance, or it makes it realistic for normal users to get involved and be part of something, instead of someone else hijacking all the coins.

    What is greed mining? To me greed requires that someone must be doing something illegal. So - is there an illegal component to ASIC mining?



  • @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @emad-r said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @emad-r said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @irj

    Makes sense, I am tired of crypto currency being equal to bitcoin.

    Bitcoin is the first version of it, think x86, and then other versions like x86-x64 with enhancements.

    Bitcoin gave unfair advantage to greed instead of community, it allowed people to get GPU + special mining ASIC modules and gave them power up.

    My money is on MONERO, it actually tried to punish and limit people that use GPU, and that makes sense, instead of wasting earth electricity, we all have computers, and if you ran task (you can only make it 1 core task from your quad or hexa or 8 cpu) on that computer and you believed in something that is value,

    I wonder if this is a misunderstanding?
    Perhaps MONERO does do these limits, but really, how practical are they? So you have a six core system, you just virtualize it and run 6 processes.
    This seems like the thinking of the record companies - in their attempts to use DRM to keep pirates from making copies of songs. I just don't expect it to really work as people will always try to find ways to game the system.

    There was no difference in the gold rush days - those with money could afford to buy the land and hire the help to find the gold, today they buy the ASICs to mine the bitcoin.

    The limit is not on the CPU, the limit they put are on GPU and ASIC .

    You can run MONERO mining on all of your CPU threads, or only 1, or 2,3,4 ...etc

    However they try to limit GPU mining and ASIC mining, which gives unfair advantage, and helps create market for greed mining, like mining farms, but when you do CPU only mine, it kinda gives everyone somewhat of fair chance, or it makes it realistic for normal users to get involved and be part of something, instead of someone else hijacking all the coins.

    What is greed mining? To me greed requires that someone must be doing something illegal.

    To you. But in no way whatsoever does greed imply illegality. In some very important cases, like fiduciary responsibility, greed is incorporated into business law in America. Greed is the law of the land itself.



  • @dashrender the word greed has nothing to do with legality.



  • Greed means "intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food."

    Greed only means desire, not action. Doing something illegal almost always means that they can't be greedy because, most of the time, illegal actions end up making you lose in the long run, not win.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    Greed means "intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food."

    Greed only means desire, not action. Doing something illegal almost always means that they can't be greedy because, most of the time, illegal actions end up making you lose in the long run, not win.

    OK fine - I'll accept that- so where does greed run into issues?

    Oh.. you're saying it doesn't run into issues - it's what incorporated businesses want. 😉



  • Back to @Emad-R post about unfair advantage and greed mining..

    Still don't know what he means?

    These crypto mining seems to be the most fair thing you can do - assuming you have net neutrality.

    i.e. if you have the funds, you can build at many miners as you can afford.

    If as Scott said:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    But it makes mining take WAY more electricity and time.

    The rich will still be able to afford WAY more electricity and the poor, even better, the rich can afford to be mobile and do their work where power is cheaper, where the poor often can't move to that area.



  • @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    Back to @Emad-R post about unfair advantage and greed mining..

    Still don't know what he means?

    These crypto mining seems to be the most fair thing you can do - assuming you have net neutrality.

    i.e. if you have the funds, you can build at many miners as you can afford.

    If as Scott said:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    But it makes mining take WAY more electricity and time.

    The rich will still be able to afford WAY more electricity and the poor, even better, the rich can afford to be mobile and do their work where power is cheaper, where the poor often can't move to that area.

    It seems CPU reached a limit regarding Parallel processing. especially x86 arch. which creates the equal playing field.



  • @dashrender said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    @scottalanmiller said in Starbucks says it will accept crypto currency, but not bitcoin:

    Greed means "intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food."

    Greed only means desire, not action. Doing something illegal almost always means that they can't be greedy because, most of the time, illegal actions end up making you lose in the long run, not win.

    OK fine - I'll accept that- so where does greed run into issues?

    Oh.. you're saying it doesn't run into issues - it's what incorporated businesses want. 😉

    Real greed doesn't really run into issues.