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@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
One is a blogging platform that can do static sites.
WordPress is a full CMS.
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
The modules in Drupal are more powerful than the plugins for WordPress.
I do agree with this.
Right they're a CMS that does blogging and static pages. Drupal is a full CMF.
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@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
One is a blogging platform that can do static sites.
WordPress is a full CMS.
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
The modules in Drupal are more powerful than the plugins for WordPress.
I do agree with this.
Right they're a CMS that does blogging and static pages.
All CMSs do...
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@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
One is a blogging platform that can do static sites.
WordPress is a full CMS.
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
The modules in Drupal are more powerful than the plugins for WordPress.
I do agree with this.
Right they're a CMS that does blogging and static pages.
All CMSs do...
That was my point. Drupal does a ton more since it's not just a CMS.
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@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
One is a blogging platform that can do static sites.
WordPress is a full CMS.
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
The modules in Drupal are more powerful than the plugins for WordPress.
I do agree with this.
Right they're a CMS that does blogging and static pages.
All CMSs do...
That was my point. Drupal does a ton more since it's not just a CMS.
What's some things Drupal does besides static pages and blogging, that you just can't have WordPress do by itself or via plugins?
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@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@travisdh1 said in Intranet suggestions....:
Everything I needed to do with Drupal, someone already had a plugin made that did it.
Yeah, same with WordPress... so in that case Drupal provides no benefit over WordPress, except for the fact you are more familiar with Drupal being the only reason to use it.
The modules in Drupal are more powerful than the plugins for WordPress. It's two different architectures. One is a blogging platform that can do static sites. The other is a CMF that you can build your own CMS or web app.
Is the place to find modules for Drupal?
https://www.drupal.org/project/project_moduleA good amount of plugins for Wordpress can be found and installed directly from Wordpress installation.
Ya that's where they all are. There are some defaults that you can enable from an initial install but that has all of them. You just copy the link and paste it in your Drupal site to install the module.
You can also just unzip a module in the modules dir and it's installed.
Can I update the modules that is currently installed from the GUI too?
Yes. However to update Drupal core you need to either download the new code base and replace the old one or just use Drush which is a command line tool. You can just run
drush upand it will update everything. I think Drupal 8 is supposed to have built in core updates but between Drush and Pantheon I've never needed it. Pantheon is amazing because they pull in all of the code updates and you just click the button and it updates your site.Pantheon even supports Wordpress too.
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@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@travisdh1 said in Intranet suggestions....:
Everything I needed to do with Drupal, someone already had a plugin made that did it.
Yeah, same with WordPress... so in that case Drupal provides no benefit over WordPress, except for the fact you are more familiar with Drupal being the only reason to use it.
The modules in Drupal are more powerful than the plugins for WordPress. It's two different architectures. One is a blogging platform that can do static sites. The other is a CMF that you can build your own CMS or web app.
Is the place to find modules for Drupal?
https://www.drupal.org/project/project_moduleA good amount of plugins for Wordpress can be found and installed directly from Wordpress installation.
Ya that's where they all are. There are some defaults that you can enable from an initial install but that has all of them. You just copy the link and paste it in your Drupal site to install the module.
You can also just unzip a module in the modules dir and it's installed.
Can I update the modules that is currently installed from the GUI too?
Yes. However to update Drupal core you need to either download the new code base and replace the old one or just use Drush which is a command line tool. You can just run
drush upand it will update everything. I think Drupal 8 is supposed to have built in core updates but between Drush and Pantheon I've never needed it. Pantheon is amazing because they pull in all of the code updates and you just click the button and it updates your site.Pantheon even supports Wordpress too.
Ya they do.
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I'm going to give Drupal another try and actually do more than just install and forget.
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@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
One is a blogging platform that can do static sites.
WordPress is a full CMS.
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
The modules in Drupal are more powerful than the plugins for WordPress.
I do agree with this.
Right they're a CMS that does blogging and static pages.
All CMSs do...
That was my point. Drupal does a ton more since it's not just a CMS.
What's some things Drupal does besides static pages and blogging, that you just can't have WordPress do by itself or via plugins?
You can create your own content types and entities (more bare than a content type) to create any type of record you want. So for example a mileage app I created.
I can log in and put in a trip
The vehicles drop down can be it's own field or tied to a taxonomy vocabulary so you can do some other integration. Then I can display this however I want. So I just have a simple table based view but you can have any kind of view you can think of.
But this is a super simple app. The last place I worked I had an intranet that did QA reports for welding, delivery people would sign with their finger directly on the site for deliveries, safety issue tracking, incident tracking, serial number tracking for specific parts, etc.
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@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
I'm going to give Drupal another try and actually do more than just install and forget.
It's a little bit of a learning curve but once you get it you won't go back. I do have a site hosted on WordPress with their like $4 a month thing, but that's because I don't have to do anything with it. If I have to manage and build a site, I'll use Drupal.
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@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
I'm going to give Drupal another try and actually do more than just install and forget.
Create a Pantheon account. It's free and you get a couple sandbox sites. It's expensive to host live with them (like $50 a month I think) but if you just want to do dev and not manage everything underneath it's probably worth it. But the free sandbox is awesome to build a site with.
You get a dev, test, and prod environment and you can commit changes between each with the push of a button.
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@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
One is a blogging platform that can do static sites.
WordPress is a full CMS.
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
The modules in Drupal are more powerful than the plugins for WordPress.
I do agree with this.
Right they're a CMS that does blogging and static pages.
All CMSs do...
That was my point. Drupal does a ton more since it's not just a CMS.
What's some things Drupal does besides static pages and blogging, that you just can't have WordPress do by itself or via plugins?
You can create your own content types and entities (more bare than a content type) to create any type of record you want. So for example a mileage app I created.
I can log in and put in a trip
The vehicles drop down can be it's own field or tied to a taxonomy vocabulary so you can do some other integration. Then I can display this however I want. So I just have a simple table based view but you can have any kind of view you can think of.
But this is a super simple app. The last place I worked I had an intranet that did QA reports for welding, delivery people would sign with their finger directly on the site for deliveries, safety issue tracking, incident tracking, serial number tracking for specific parts, etc.
Oh I see.
So I guess the only use case then is the ability to natively store custom input via a custom form into the database, and display it on a page (without having to use a plugin as you would on WordPress for the same functionality)?
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But what about things you can't do in WordPress via a plugin?
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@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
One is a blogging platform that can do static sites.
WordPress is a full CMS.
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
The modules in Drupal are more powerful than the plugins for WordPress.
I do agree with this.
Right they're a CMS that does blogging and static pages.
All CMSs do...
That was my point. Drupal does a ton more since it's not just a CMS.
What's some things Drupal does besides static pages and blogging, that you just can't have WordPress do by itself or via plugins?
You can create your own content types and entities (more bare than a content type) to create any type of record you want. So for example a mileage app I created.
I can log in and put in a trip
The vehicles drop down can be it's own field or tied to a taxonomy vocabulary so you can do some other integration. Then I can display this however I want. So I just have a simple table based view but you can have any kind of view you can think of.
But this is a super simple app. The last place I worked I had an intranet that did QA reports for welding, delivery people would sign with their finger directly on the site for deliveries, safety issue tracking, incident tracking, serial number tracking for specific parts, etc.
Oh I see.
So I guess the only use case then is the ability to natively store custom input via a custom form into the database?
Well that's the whole point. You can create a CMS that has specific types of blog posts that can change based on certain criteria. Or certain users can only create certain types of posts.
I think saying the "only" use case is a big disingenuous because that's such a giant range of things you can do.
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@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
But what about things you can't do in WordPress via a plugin?
Does WordPress have plugins for custom content types? And ways to display those content types differently?
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@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
But what about things you can't do in WordPress via a plugin?
Does WordPress have plugins for custom content types? And ways to display those content types differently?
Yes, custom form builders and all that... multiple ways of displaying it on a page.
It's all the same stuff, just not native.
I'm sure if you need somethign complex, it's better to hire and spend money on someone doing it in Drupal... but for the more simpler things WordPress would do. I'm sure you can get complex in WordPress too.
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@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
But what about things you can't do in WordPress via a plugin?
Does WordPress have plugins for custom content types? And ways to display those content types differently?
Yes, custom form builders and all that... multiple ways of displaying it on a page.
It's all the same stuff, just not native.
I'm sure if you need somethign complex, it's better to hire and spend money on someone doing it in Drupal... but for the more simpler things WordPress would do. I'm sure you can get complex in WordPress too.
It doesn't need to be complex. It's natively part of the platform so out of the box it has a content type for blog posts and pages. But you can get even lower than content types to entities where you define exactly how pieces fit together. Content types have an author and some other default data. Entities are completely built from scratch and then you have to define how they work together, so that is more complex. But if you just want to do content types it's really easy.
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@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@tim_g said in Intranet suggestions....:
But what about things you can't do in WordPress via a plugin?
Does WordPress have plugins for custom content types? And ways to display those content types differently?
Yes, custom form builders and all that... multiple ways of displaying it on a page.
It's all the same stuff, just not native.
I'm sure if you need somethign complex, it's better to hire and spend money on someone doing it in Drupal... but for the more simpler things WordPress would do. I'm sure you can get complex in WordPress too.
The only thing I know of that competes with Views in Drupal is this product for WordPress (conveniently also called Views) and is $149.
https://wp-types.com/home/views-create-elegant-displays-for-your-content/
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@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@scottalanmiller said in Intranet suggestions....:
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@nashbrydges said in Intranet suggestions....:
Any of these options recommended for a multi-client scenario? Would need authentication so each client only accesses their own documentation.
Yes drupal can do that. Wiki.js can have roles and users that have access to specific areas but I've noticed if you search for something, the search show up in the bar from areas they don't have access to. They can't get there, but the titles and such show up.
Search is so often a week point in security, argh. If all you are doing is hiding passwords or details, it often works fine. If you are hiding concepts, it's useless.
Ya I was really disappointed when I saw that. So you need multiple sites for separation, which sucks.
Is it still an issue if Wiki.js is not setup for public access?
Yes because you don't want clients seeing info for other clients. And we were going to use it for a user area and an internal documentation site. But that won't work now.
What about creating rules to allow users to see what you want them to see?
https://docs.requarks.io/wiki/admin-guide/manage-access-rights
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@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@scottalanmiller said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@nashbrydges said in Intranet suggestions....:
Any of these options recommended for a multi-client scenario? Would need authentication so each client only accesses their own documentation.
Yes drupal can do that. Wiki.js can have roles and users that have access to specific areas but I've noticed if you search for something, the search show up in the bar from areas they don't have access to. They can't get there, but the titles and such show up.
Search is so often a week point in security, argh. If all you are doing is hiding passwords or details, it often works fine. If you are hiding concepts, it's useless.
Ya I was really disappointed when I saw that. So you need multiple sites for separation, which sucks.
Is it still an issue if Wiki.js is not setup for public access?
Yes because you don't want clients seeing info for other clients. And we were going to use it for a user area and an internal documentation site. But that won't work now.
What about creating rules to allow users to see what you want them to see?
https://docs.requarks.io/wiki/admin-guide/manage-access-rights
It still doesn't work that great. Its too much a pain to manage.
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@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@nashbrydges said in Intranet suggestions....:
Any of these options recommended for a multi-client scenario? Would need authentication so each client only accesses their own documentation.
Yes drupal can do that. Wiki.js can have roles and users that have access to specific areas but I've noticed if you search for something, the search show up in the bar from areas they don't have access to. They can't get there, but the titles and such show up.
@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@black3dynamite said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@scottalanmiller said in Intranet suggestions....:
@stacksofplates said in Intranet suggestions....:
@nashbrydges said in Intranet suggestions....:
Any of these options recommended for a multi-client scenario? Would need authentication so each client only accesses their own documentation.
Yes drupal can do that. Wiki.js can have roles and users that have access to specific areas but I've noticed if you search for something, the search show up in the bar from areas they don't have access to. They can't get there, but the titles and such show up.
Search is so often a week point in security, argh. If all you are doing is hiding passwords or details, it often works fine. If you are hiding concepts, it's useless.
Ya I was really disappointed when I saw that. So you need multiple sites for separation, which sucks.
Is it still an issue if Wiki.js is not setup for public access?
Yes because you don't want clients seeing info for other clients. And we were going to use it for a user area and an internal documentation site. But that won't work now.
What about creating rules to allow users to see what you want them to see?
https://docs.requarks.io/wiki/admin-guide/manage-access-rights
I think what @stacksofplates was saying above was that you can use these rules to permit access, but the search still allows you to see some of the content. If you try to select it it won't take you to the page and allow you to see the full content, but the search may give you headlines or even a little data that shouldn't be visible without permissions. This is something that hopefully they will be able to iron out moving forward.
