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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @DustinB3403
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      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Straming Services, and Copyright:

      @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

      How do you not see the ISPs as just as complicit in this issue?

      The same reason that I can't call the road an accomplice to the get-away driver.

      It's there, it isn't assisting in some active way. It was built for the purposes of getting things from Point A to Point B. It wasn't build to assist in theft.

      Well, frankly, neither was DragonBox - it's just a media streaming device. It's really no different than the Amazon Fire TVs or Rokus.

      Sure it has software that can tap into those other streams, but isn't required to do those things (I'm guessing).

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @Dashrender
        last edited by

        @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

        @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Straming Services, and Copyright:

        @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

        How do you not see the ISPs as just as complicit in this issue?

        The same reason that I can't call the road an accomplice to the get-away driver.

        It's there, it isn't assisting in some active way. It was built for the purposes of getting things from Point A to Point B. It wasn't build to assist in theft.

        Well, frankly, neither was DragonBox - it's just a media streaming device. It's really no different than the Amazon Fire TVs or Rokus.

        Sure it has software that can tap into those other streams, but isn't required to do those things (I'm guessing).

        All of their marketing specifically says it's meant for those "other things"

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @DustinB3403
          last edited by

          @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

          @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

          @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Straming Services, and Copyright:

          @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

          How do you not see the ISPs as just as complicit in this issue?

          The same reason that I can't call the road an accomplice to the get-away driver.

          It's there, it isn't assisting in some active way. It was built for the purposes of getting things from Point A to Point B. It wasn't build to assist in theft.

          But you can if you call the DragonBox an accomplice. The road is actively paving the way to escape (pun intended) just like DragonBox paves the way for both good, and bad, things.

          No the road is the ISP, literally has no means of stopping a car from driving down it. The police would have to stop that vehicle from traveling.

          really, the ISP has no ability to stop packets from traveling to the internet? Let's think about that one again.

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          • JaredBuschJ
            JaredBusch @Dashrender
            last edited by

            @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

            @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Straming Services, and Copyright:

            @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

            How do you not see the ISPs as just as complicit in this issue?

            The same reason that I can't call the road an accomplice to the get-away driver.

            It's there, it isn't assisting in some active way. It was built for the purposes of getting things from Point A to Point B. It wasn't build to assist in theft.

            But you can if you call the DragonBox an accomplice. The road is actively paving the way to escape (pun intended) just like DragonBox paves the way for both good, and bad, things.

            No the road is the ISP, literally has no means of stopping a car from driving down it. The police would have to stop that vehicle from traveling.

            really, the ISP has no ability to stop packets from traveling to the internet? Let's think about that one again.

            Yeah, they totally have the ability. just not the authority.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @DustinB3403
              last edited by

              @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

              @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

              @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

              Can a road be used for good? Yes
              Can a road be used for crime? Yes

              Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
              Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

              Change out road with car. Same result.

              It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

              Let's take your example 1 step further.

              Can a gun be used for good? Yes
              Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

              Can a gun kill a person? No
              Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

              If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

              yet guns aren't illegal.

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              • DustinB3403D
                DustinB3403 @Dashrender
                last edited by

                @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Straming Services, and Copyright:

                @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                How do you not see the ISPs as just as complicit in this issue?

                The same reason that I can't call the road an accomplice to the get-away driver.

                It's there, it isn't assisting in some active way. It was built for the purposes of getting things from Point A to Point B. It wasn't build to assist in theft.

                But you can if you call the DragonBox an accomplice. The road is actively paving the way to escape (pun intended) just like DragonBox paves the way for both good, and bad, things.

                No the road is the ISP, literally has no means of stopping a car from driving down it. The police would have to stop that vehicle from traveling.

                really, the ISP has no ability to stop packets from traveling to the internet? Let's think about that one again.

                In an open internet, yes the ISP has no control. The police would have to stop the cars (aka you're wrong here).

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                  @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                  @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                  @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                  @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Straming Services, and Copyright:

                  @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                  How do you not see the ISPs as just as complicit in this issue?

                  The same reason that I can't call the road an accomplice to the get-away driver.

                  It's there, it isn't assisting in some active way. It was built for the purposes of getting things from Point A to Point B. It wasn't build to assist in theft.

                  But you can if you call the DragonBox an accomplice. The road is actively paving the way to escape (pun intended) just like DragonBox paves the way for both good, and bad, things.

                  No the road is the ISP, literally has no means of stopping a car from driving down it. The police would have to stop that vehicle from traveling.

                  really, the ISP has no ability to stop packets from traveling to the internet? Let's think about that one again.

                  In an open internet, yes the ISP has no control. The police would have to stop the cars (aka you're wrong here).

                  well, we just found out we don't have an open internet, Net Neutrality was just killed.

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403 @Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                    @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                    @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                    @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                    Can a road be used for good? Yes
                    Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                    Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                    Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                    Change out road with car. Same result.

                    It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                    Let's take your example 1 step further.

                    Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                    Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                    Can a gun kill a person? No
                    Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                    If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                    yet guns aren't illegal.

                    But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

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                    • JaredBuschJ
                      JaredBusch @DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                      @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                      @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                      Can a road be used for good? Yes
                      Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                      Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                      Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                      Change out road with car. Same result.

                      It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                      Let's take your example 1 step further.

                      Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                      Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                      Can a gun kill a person? No
                      Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                      If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                      They have auto aim guns now, that shoot at the right time once you pull the trigger..
                      https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/01/17000-linux-powered-rifle-brings-auto-aim-to-the-real-world/

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch @DustinB3403
                        last edited by JaredBusch

                        @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                        @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                        @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                        @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                        @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                        Can a road be used for good? Yes
                        Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                        Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                        Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                        Change out road with car. Same result.

                        It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                        Let's take your example 1 step further.

                        Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                        Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                        Can a gun kill a person? No
                        Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                        If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                        yet guns aren't illegal.

                        But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                        Not relevant. You are conflating shit worse than @Dashrender usually does.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @DustinB3403
                          last edited by

                          @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                          Can a road be used for good? Yes
                          Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                          Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                          Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                          Change out road with car. Same result.

                          It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                          Let's take your example 1 step further.

                          Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                          Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                          Can a gun kill a person? No
                          Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                          If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                          yet guns aren't illegal.

                          But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                          NOT the same thing at all.

                          Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @JaredBusch
                            last edited by

                            @jaredbusch said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                            Can a road be used for good? Yes
                            Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                            Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                            Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                            Change out road with car. Same result.

                            It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                            Let's take your example 1 step further.

                            Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                            Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                            Can a gun kill a person? No
                            Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                            If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                            yet guns aren't illegal.

                            But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                            Not relevant. You are conflating shit worse that @Dashrender usually does.

                            awww.. JB likes me again. 😛

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                            • RojoLocoR
                              RojoLoco @Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                              Can a road be used for good? Yes
                              Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                              Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                              Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                              Change out road with car. Same result.

                              It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                              Let's take your example 1 step further.

                              Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                              Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                              Can a gun kill a person? No
                              Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                              If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                              yet guns aren't illegal.

                              But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                              NOT the same thing at all.

                              Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

                              That box might be full of heroin, you don't know! 😉

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @RojoLoco
                                last edited by

                                @rojoloco said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                Can a road be used for good? Yes
                                Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                                Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                                Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                                Change out road with car. Same result.

                                It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                                Let's take your example 1 step further.

                                Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                                Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                                Can a gun kill a person? No
                                Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                                If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                                yet guns aren't illegal.

                                But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                                NOT the same thing at all.

                                Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

                                That box might be full of heroin, you don't know! 😉

                                LOL - that would be one hell of a deal if it's full of herion.. lol

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
                                  last edited by

                                  @jaredbusch said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                  Can a road be used for good? Yes
                                  Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                                  Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                                  Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                                  Change out road with car. Same result.

                                  It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                                  Let's take your example 1 step further.

                                  Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                                  Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                                  Can a gun kill a person? No
                                  Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                                  If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                                  yet guns aren't illegal.

                                  But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                                  Not relevant. You are conflating shit worse than @Dashrender usually does.

                                  Okay, here.

                                  Stealing guns and selling them is illegal. Providing a channel on which to sell illegal weapons (stolen weapons) is also illegal.

                                  ffs

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403 @Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                    @rojoloco said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                    @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                    @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                    @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                    @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                    @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                    Can a road be used for good? Yes
                                    Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                                    Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                                    Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                                    Change out road with car. Same result.

                                    It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                                    Let's take your example 1 step further.

                                    Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                                    Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                                    Can a gun kill a person? No
                                    Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                                    If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                                    yet guns aren't illegal.

                                    But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                                    NOT the same thing at all.

                                    Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

                                    That box might be full of heroin, you don't know! 😉

                                    LOL - that would be one hell of a deal if it's full of herion.. lol

                                    Herion is cheap, so not really a deal. Now if it was a few pounds of pure uncut cocaine. . .

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                                    • ObsolesceO
                                      Obsolesce @DustinB3403
                                      last edited by

                                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                      Can a road be used for good? Yes
                                      Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                                      Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                                      Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                                      Change out road with car. Same result.

                                      It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                                      Let's take your example 1 step further.

                                      Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                                      Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                                      Can a gun kill a person? No
                                      Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                                      If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                                      yet guns aren't illegal.

                                      But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                                      Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
                                        last edited by DustinB3403

                                        @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                        @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                        @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                        @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                        @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                        Can a road be used for good? Yes
                                        Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                                        Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                                        Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                                        Change out road with car. Same result.

                                        It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                                        Let's take your example 1 step further.

                                        Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                                        Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                                        Can a gun kill a person? No
                                        Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                                        If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                                        yet guns aren't illegal.

                                        But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                                        Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

                                        You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

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                                        • ObsolesceO
                                          Obsolesce @RojoLoco
                                          last edited by

                                          @rojoloco said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                          @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                          @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                          @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                          @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                          @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                          Can a road be used for good? Yes
                                          Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                                          Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                                          Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                                          Change out road with car. Same result.

                                          It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                                          Let's take your example 1 step further.

                                          Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                                          Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                                          Can a gun kill a person? No
                                          Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                                          If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                                          yet guns aren't illegal.

                                          But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                                          NOT the same thing at all.

                                          Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

                                          That box might be full of heroin, you don't know! 😉

                                          Maybe in your house!

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                                          • ObsolesceO
                                            Obsolesce @DustinB3403
                                            last edited by Obsolesce

                                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

                                            Can a road be used for good? Yes
                                            Can a road be used for crime? Yes

                                            Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
                                            Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

                                            Change out road with car. Same result.

                                            It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

                                            Let's take your example 1 step further.

                                            Can a gun be used for good? Yes
                                            Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

                                            Can a gun kill a person? No
                                            Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

                                            If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

                                            yet guns aren't illegal.

                                            But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

                                            Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

                                            You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

                                            No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

                                            But easy access isn't stealing.

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