question about setting up a new domain controller
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
If you only need email onprem then I feel like there are better and cheaper options for realtime messaging than email or exchange server.
Even if you still want email, we like Zimbra better as an email server. That's the primary reason that we left O365, Zimbra was just... better.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
but the stated prices are double those of going direct
No, nowhere close to double... AppRiver's stated prices for the E3 license is $21.95 and MS Direct is $20.00. How is AppRiver's price double?
But anywho... We aren't paying AppRiver's listed prices anyways... it's significantly lower, making it way cheaper (thousands per month cheaper) to pay AppRiver for our E1/E3 licensing instead of Microsoft directly, with no added risk that I have seen.
If AppRiver pulls the plug (they wont if they want our money), we start paying Microsoft then.... no loss.
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
No, nowhere close to double... AppRiver's stated prices for the E3 license is $21.95 and MS Direct is $20.00. How is AppRiver's price double?
Email was like $8 instead of $4 if all you wanted was email. Double for what we are discussing, at least. I mean, $7.95 instead of $4, lol. But that's just about double.
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
If AppRiver pulls the plug (they wont if they want our money), we start paying Microsoft then.... no loss.
Except, you have zero guarantee that you CAN pay MS, since MS doesn't own your account. Could be a big loss. And AppRiver might be losing money on you in the hopes of getting other work, so they easily might want to cut you.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dbeato said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dbeato said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
How in the world are we ending up into Office 365 pricing from a domain controller question ? I guess I can see the point, but mainly I believe @Tim_G received Appriver's re-seller pricing or internal to them pricing which he probably cannot say here.
Because Scott suggested that the OP change Exchange of the environment before making changes to the DCs, since it is the OPs plan to do something to Exchange anyway.
I see, I didn't miss that but I guess the discussion is about pricing now.
Yeah.
Some are saying that because I'm buying E1/E3 O365 licenses from AppRiver or similar reseller, that I'm somehow not getting real O365 and that I now have VAR issues.
I am failing to see any of those claims, as from my view, are completely false.
Nothing changed between paying MS for our licenses, to paying AppRiver for our licenses.
But they are TRUE. You don't have guaranteed anything, it's all at AppRiver's discretion. They decide to let MS interfaces be exposed to you (for now), they decide to let MS handle some support (without the concierge benefits of the partner relationship... for now), they decide to make it transparent (for now.) It's all "up to them" and not something you control. And, from their website, they don't even offer a matching service to O365 so it is very hard to tell if you are getting a good deal, or not.
And if any of that were to ever change, we switch back to Microsoft without any repercussion.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
If AppRiver pulls the plug (they wont if they want our money), we start paying Microsoft then.... no loss.
Except, you have zero guarantee that you CAN pay MS, since MS doesn't own your account. Could be a big loss. And AppRiver might be losing money on you in the hopes of getting other work, so they easily might want to cut you.
We verified beforehand that we have a guarantee we can seamlessly switch back at any time.
You could lose 2 of the wrong drives in a RAID10 simultaneously too, but that doesn't stop people from using it. Could is a strong word.
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
If AppRiver pulls the plug (they wont if they want our money), we start paying Microsoft then.... no loss.
Except, you have zero guarantee that you CAN pay MS, since MS doesn't own your account. Could be a big loss. And AppRiver might be losing money on you in the hopes of getting other work, so they easily might want to cut you.
We verified beforehand that we have a guarantee we can seamlessly switch back at any time.
Did you get that in writing? If not... lol, you sucker, the sales peon took you for a ride.
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@travisdh1 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
If AppRiver pulls the plug (they wont if they want our money), we start paying Microsoft then.... no loss.
Except, you have zero guarantee that you CAN pay MS, since MS doesn't own your account. Could be a big loss. And AppRiver might be losing money on you in the hopes of getting other work, so they easily might want to cut you.
We verified beforehand that we have a guarantee we can seamlessly switch back at any time.
Did you get that in writing? If not... lol, you sucker, the sales peon took you for a ride.
But we can switch back and forth seamlessly, it's so easy and it's done sometimes here and there for certain licenses for certain users in some locations and/or domains.
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To end this particular discussion...
If you are going to get O365, go for the best price you can get for the actual O365 product, whether it's MS direct, or through an AppRiver reseller.
If you need other services that AppRiver provides anyways, like spam/antivirus protection and/or email archiving... then it makes even more sense.
Make sure you know what you are buying.
If you don't need O365, Zimbra is a wonderful suggestion by Scott. If you don't need email, there are other alternatives for communication linked earlier.
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
To end this particular discussion...
If you are going to get O365, go for the best price you can get for the actual O365 product, whether it's MS direct, or through an AppRiver reseller.
If you need other services that AppRiver provides anyways, like spam/antivirus protection and/or email archiving... then it makes even more sense.
Make sure you know what you are buying.
If you don't need O365, Zimbra is a wonderful suggestion by Scott. If you don't need email, there are other alternatives for communication linked earlier.
How is O365 with spam filtering? We have Mimecast (as I mentioned before) which provides spam filtering, malicious link and virus detection (active threat protection) among other things. Its been absolutely great at keeping crap from coming in through email -- which is like one of the number one places for threats.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
To end this particular discussion...
If you are going to get O365, go for the best price you can get for the actual O365 product, whether it's MS direct, or through an AppRiver reseller.
If you need other services that AppRiver provides anyways, like spam/antivirus protection and/or email archiving... then it makes even more sense.
Make sure you know what you are buying.
If you don't need O365, Zimbra is a wonderful suggestion by Scott. If you don't need email, there are other alternatives for communication linked earlier.
How is O365 with spam filtering? We have Mimecast (as I mentioned before) which provides spam filtering, malicious link and virus detection (active threat protection) among other things. Its been absolutely great at keeping crap from coming in through email -- which is like one of the number one places for threats.
You don't need that protection if your email has no internet access.
I thought you said it was internal use only? That your main concern is using email when the internet is down.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
To end this particular discussion...
If you are going to get O365, go for the best price you can get for the actual O365 product, whether it's MS direct, or through an AppRiver reseller.
If you need other services that AppRiver provides anyways, like spam/antivirus protection and/or email archiving... then it makes even more sense.
Make sure you know what you are buying.
If you don't need O365, Zimbra is a wonderful suggestion by Scott. If you don't need email, there are other alternatives for communication linked earlier.
How is O365 with spam filtering? We have Mimecast (as I mentioned before) which provides spam filtering, malicious link and virus detection (active threat protection) among other things. Its been absolutely great at keeping crap from coming in through email -- which is like one of the number one places for threats.
Not bad. Not perfect by any stretch, but it's pretty decent. Not seen any malware get through, but some spam does.
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You definitely need spam/malware filtering even with O365. Their stuff sucks.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
To end this particular discussion...
If you are going to get O365, go for the best price you can get for the actual O365 product, whether it's MS direct, or through an AppRiver reseller.
If you need other services that AppRiver provides anyways, like spam/antivirus protection and/or email archiving... then it makes even more sense.
Make sure you know what you are buying.
If you don't need O365, Zimbra is a wonderful suggestion by Scott. If you don't need email, there are other alternatives for communication linked earlier.
How is O365 with spam filtering? We have Mimecast (as I mentioned before) which provides spam filtering, malicious link and virus detection (active threat protection) among other things. Its been absolutely great at keeping crap from coming in through email -- which is like one of the number one places for threats.
Not bad. Not perfect by any stretch, but it's pretty decent. Not seen any malware get through, but some spam does.
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
You definitely need spam/malware filtering even with O365. Their stuff sucks.
And here we have both sides of the coin - so you flip it and see which you like better.
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
To end this particular discussion...
If you are going to get O365, go for the best price you can get for the actual O365 product, whether it's MS direct, or through an AppRiver reseller.
If you need other services that AppRiver provides anyways, like spam/antivirus protection and/or email archiving... then it makes even more sense.
Make sure you know what you are buying.
If you don't need O365, Zimbra is a wonderful suggestion by Scott. If you don't need email, there are other alternatives for communication linked earlier.
How is O365 with spam filtering? We have Mimecast (as I mentioned before) which provides spam filtering, malicious link and virus detection (active threat protection) among other things. Its been absolutely great at keeping crap from coming in through email -- which is like one of the number one places for threats.
You don't need that protection if your email has no internet access.
I thought you said it was internal use only? That your main concern is using email when the internet is down.
What??? No, we use email the normal way, with Internet...
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Also, did anyone ever figure out if O365 is still $4 per month or if the only option is now the $5 bundle?? I'm talking bare minimum hosted Exchange.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
Also, did anyone ever figure out if O365 is still $4 per month or if the only option is now the $5 bundle?? I'm talking bare minimum hosted Exchange.
Of course it is, I gave you the link yesterday.
https://products.office.com/en-us/exchange/exchange-online -
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
Also, did anyone ever figure out if O365 is still $4 per month or if the only option is now the $5 bundle?? I'm talking bare minimum hosted Exchange.
Of course it is, I gave you the link yesterday.
https://products.office.com/en-us/exchange/exchange-onlineYeah I know about that but there was also question weather MS is actually still selling that... Scott linked me to Minion Queen from NTG who quoted me the $5 price because they didnt know about the $4 one..
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
Also, did anyone ever figure out if O365 is still $4 per month or if the only option is now the $5 bundle?? I'm talking bare minimum hosted Exchange.
Of course it is, I gave you the link yesterday.
https://products.office.com/en-us/exchange/exchange-onlineYeah I know about that but there was also question weather MS is actually still selling that... Scott linked me to Minion Queen from NTG who quoted me the $5 price because they didnt know about the $4 one..
Well, the link is still there, and when I clicked on it I could fill out my information - though I didn't finish it.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
Also, did anyone ever figure out if O365 is still $4 per month or if the only option is now the $5 bundle?? I'm talking bare minimum hosted Exchange.
Of course it is, I gave you the link yesterday.
https://products.office.com/en-us/exchange/exchange-onlineYeah I know about that but there was also question weather MS is actually still selling that... Scott linked me to Minion Queen from NTG who quoted me the $5 price because they didnt know about the $4 one..
She definitely knows about the $4 price, she sells it all of the time.
