question about setting up a new domain controller
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
You can get the O365 subscriptions cheaper by going through someone like AppRiver.
Cheaper than Microsoft direct I mean.
Yes, that's what you watch out for. GoDaddy is cheaper, too. You don't get O365, it just looks like it.
I've personally been through this with AppRiver. You get the full O365.. even teh same licensing business E1 and E3... the only difference is tht it's cheaper and you don't pay Microsoft.
Well everyone here is telling me not to go through a reseller and to go direct thru MS via a partner.
We had all of our O365 licenses through microsoft for x amount a month.
Then we switched through our consultant who is set up through AppRiver.
Everything is the same, except now the price is lower. We use E1 and E3 licenses.
I am just confused now.
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
You can get the O365 subscriptions cheaper by going through someone like AppRiver.
Cheaper than Microsoft direct I mean.
Yes, that's what you watch out for. GoDaddy is cheaper, too. You don't get O365, it just looks like it.
I've personally been through this with AppRiver. You get the full O365.. even teh same licensing business E1 and E3... the only difference is tht it's cheaper and you don't pay Microsoft.
Well everyone here is telling me not to go through a reseller and to go direct thru MS via a partner.
We had all of our O365 licenses through microsoft for x amount a month.
Then we switched through our consultant who is set up through AppRiver.
Everything is the same, except now the price is lower. We use E1 and E3 licenses.
Tim - are those VAR licenses or partner licenses?
Scott and I are pretty sure they are VAR licenses. If they were partner licenses, they could not be any less than the MS list price.
And while you might not have any limitations caused by Appriver today, you could tomorrow. If Appriver stopped paying their bill (ok not likely, unless they go bankrupt) MS will cut off all of Appriver's customers from access.
Additionally - assuming these are VAR licenses, not partner licenses, all, 100% issues must flow through Appriver. You have no recourse to reach out to MS directly for problems.While this might not be an issue for you - there are countless people on SW and redit who do have problems with other vendors like GoDaddy and Rackspace because they are connected via VAR licenses - and therefore must go through the VAR for any issues.
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Through Microsoft:
Through AppRiver:
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
If Appriver stopped paying their bill (ok not likely, unless they go bankrupt) MS will cut off all of Appriver's customers from access.
The thing about this, is that you can easily switch back your licensing to MS... it doesn't interrupt anything. It's the same license. What changes is who you are paying.
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That's two totally different products... E3 vs Business Premium. $20/u/m vs $12.50/u/m
https://i.imgur.com/cxUwiJQ.png
Looks like MS lowered the Business premium cost a lot... it used to be close to $20/u/m like E3...
This is what it includes, of course, plus email.
https://i.imgur.com/wqRf4bb.png
https://products.office.com/en-us/business/office-365-business-premium
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
If Appriver stopped paying their bill (ok not likely, unless they go bankrupt) MS will cut off all of Appriver's customers from access.
The thing about this, is that you can easily switch back your licensing to MS... it doesn't interrupt anything. It's the same license. What changes is who you are paying.
Are you sure? From those complaining about GoDaddy, the switch is not easy.
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
Through Microsoft:
Through AppRiver:
Those aren't the same products. They share a lot of similarities, but are slightly different. Article from 2016 describing some of the differences... http://www.bi101.com/blog/microsoft-office-365/office-365-business-premium-vs-e3-decide/
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Assuming Business Premium is what you're getting @Tim_G, which I assume because of
https://i.imgur.com/w6db3Hp.pngThen you're getting screwed.. as I just posted, Business Premium direct from MS is now $12.95/u/m
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
If Appriver stopped paying their bill (ok not likely, unless they go bankrupt) MS will cut off all of Appriver's customers from access.
The thing about this, is that you can easily switch back your licensing to MS... it doesn't interrupt anything. It's the same license. What changes is who you are paying.
Are you sure? From those complaining about GoDaddy, the switch is not easy.
We are with GoDaddy currently because we were using a different hosted exchange provider years prior who apparently couldn't compete once Office365 came out. They partnered with GoDaddy for a seamless transition so we took that route assuming we could always just change out and go straight through Microsoft later.... WRONG.
My understanding is that we'd have to backup everyone's mailboxes, recreate users, restore mailboxes, etc. Not as simple as just handing the "contract" over to someone else.
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We can't use the Business plans, we have to use Enterprise. Too many users and requirements for Business plans.
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
We can't use the Business plans, we have to use Enterprise. Too many users and requirements for Business plans.
OK, then your post above doesn't show us what you're paying.. your picture had E3 and Business Premium...
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Looks like AppRiver wants $21.95/u/mo. for Enterprise E3.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
We can't use the Business plans, we have to use Enterprise. Too many users and requirements for Business plans.
OK, then your post above doesn't show us what you're paying.. your picture had E3 and Business Premium...
Oh i screenshotted the wrong AppRiver one.
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Yeah we're not paying that, all I can say is that the price was lower than Microsoft direct... significantly enough that we bothered to make the switch. It REALLY adds up over hundreds of users.
Thousands of dollars a month cheaper, for the exact same plan... E3 Microsoft, E3 Appriver.
Don't do it through the website.
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
Yeah we're not paying that, all I can say is that the price was lower than Microsoft direct... significantly enough that we bothered to make the switch. It REALLY adds up over hundreds of users.
As @Dashrender mentioned, MS pricing on these packages tend to jump around. I would just make sure that AppRiver's pricing is moving around with it, especially with a price drop.
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And the pricing right there shows that it's higher for all plans vs buying direct from MS.
But, if what Scott claims is true, that anyone not selling at exactly the same as MS is a VAR, not a partner, but if they are selling at the same, they could be either.
I don't personally know this to be true, but it definitely seems likely.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
And the pricing right there shows that it's higher for all plans vs buying direct from MS.
But, if what Scott claims is true, that anyone not selling at exactly the same as MS is a VAR, not a partner, but if they are selling at the same, they could be either.
I don't personally know this to be true, but it definitely seems likely.
No it shows the E3 plan through MS is slightly cheaper than the E3 plan through APpRiver... but that's if you do it throught he AppRiver website.
If you go through soemone else like we did, it's significantly cheaper than the website says.
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@zachary715 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
Yeah we're not paying that, all I can say is that the price was lower than Microsoft direct... significantly enough that we bothered to make the switch. It REALLY adds up over hundreds of users.
As @Dashrender mentioned, MS pricing on these packages tend to jump around. I would just make sure that AppRiver's pricing is moving around with it, especially with a price drop.
Other than the Business Premium price (which has been $12.50 for a while) I haven't seen the MS list prices changing on these much at all.
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
Yeah we're not paying that, all I can say is that the price was lower than Microsoft direct... significantly enough that we bothered to make the switch. It REALLY adds up over hundreds of users.
Thousands of dollars a month cheaper, for the exact same plan... E3 Microsoft, E3 Appriver.
Don't do it through the website.
I'm willing to bet, that if you had an issue with Appriver, that you would find yourself in an equally difficult if not impossible position of moving to MS direct without ripping everything out manually and then replacing it into a new site with MS as @zachary715 did.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@zachary715 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
Yeah we're not paying that, all I can say is that the price was lower than Microsoft direct... significantly enough that we bothered to make the switch. It REALLY adds up over hundreds of users.
As @Dashrender mentioned, MS pricing on these packages tend to jump around. I would just make sure that AppRiver's pricing is moving around with it, especially with a price drop.
Other than the Business Premium price (which has been $12.50 for a while) I haven't seen the MS list prices changing on these much at all.
The first few years it was rolling out, I would check prices time to time and it seemed to jump around as they were adding and removing features. Maybe it has stabilized now that they have all their packages configured how they want them.
