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    • FATeknollogee
      FATeknollogee last edited by

      I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
      I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

      Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
      Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

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      • black3dynamite
        black3dynamite last edited by

        There might be an issue when its time to upgrade Fedora to a new release version.

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        • Obsolesce
          Obsolesce @FATeknollogee last edited by

          @fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

          I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
          I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

          Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
          Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

          Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

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          • FATeknollogee
            FATeknollogee @Obsolesce last edited by

            @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

            Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

            Good idea, I wasn't doing that!

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            • black3dynamite
              black3dynamite @Obsolesce last edited by

              @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

              @fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

              I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
              I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

              Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
              Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

              Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

              But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

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              • Obsolesce
                Obsolesce @FATeknollogee last edited by

                @fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

                Good idea, I wasn't doing that!

                You can also do a dnf search cockpit to see the possible addons you can install with cockpit.

                On a KVM hypervisor, I install dnf install cockpit-machines.

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                • Obsolesce
                  Obsolesce @black3dynamite last edited by

                  @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                  @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                  @fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                  I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
                  I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

                  Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
                  Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

                  Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

                  But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

                  dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

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                  • black3dynamite
                    black3dynamite @Obsolesce last edited by

                    @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                    @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                    @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                    @fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                    I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
                    I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

                    Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
                    Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

                    Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

                    But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

                    dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

                    If that's the case, why not install the plugins you need instead of going backwards and start removing plugins you don't need?

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                    • Obsolesce
                      Obsolesce @black3dynamite last edited by

                      @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                      @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                      @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                      @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                      @fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                      I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
                      I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

                      Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
                      Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

                      Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

                      But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

                      dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

                      If that's the case, why not install the plugins you need instead of going backwards and start removing plugins you don't need?

                      Because it doesn't just install plugins. It installs a difference version of Cockpit, the correct and current version. But it also installs the docker plugin, which i really don't care about and just leave it. I don't uninstall that. It was a suggestion for you if it bothers you.

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                      • black3dynamite
                        black3dynamite @Obsolesce last edited by

                        @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                        @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                        @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                        @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                        @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                        @fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                        I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
                        I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

                        Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
                        Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

                        Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

                        But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

                        dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

                        If that's the case, why not install the plugins you need instead of going backwards and start removing plugins you don't need?

                        Because it doesn't just install plugins. It installs a difference version of Cockpit, the correct and current version. But it also installs the docker plugin, which i really don't care about and just leave it. I don't uninstall that. It was a suggestion for you if it bothers you.

                        Do you know if the latest version of cockpit gets installed when using the netinstall instead of DVD?

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                        • FATeknollogee
                          FATeknollogee @black3dynamite last edited by FATeknollogee

                          @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                          Do you know if the latest version of cockpit gets installed when using the netinstall instead of DVD?

                          IIRC, Cockpit does not get installed if you use netinstall iso.

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                          • black3dynamite
                            black3dynamite @FATeknollogee last edited by

                            @fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                            @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                            Do you know if the latest version of cockpit gets installed when using the netinstall instead of DVD?

                            IIRC, Cockpit is not installed if you use netinstall iso.

                            You're right. I was thinking if you select Fedora Server Edition using the netinstall, it should install the latest cockpit version.

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                            • Obsolesce
                              Obsolesce @black3dynamite last edited by Obsolesce

                              @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                              @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                              @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                              @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                              @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                              @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                              @fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                              I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
                              I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

                              Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
                              Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

                              Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

                              But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

                              dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

                              If that's the case, why not install the plugins you need instead of going backwards and start removing plugins you don't need?

                              Because it doesn't just install plugins. It installs a difference version of Cockpit, the correct and current version. But it also installs the docker plugin, which i really don't care about and just leave it. I don't uninstall that. It was a suggestion for you if it bothers you.

                              Do you know if the latest version of cockpit gets installed when using the netinstall instead of DVD?

                              Cockpit installs if you select the regular server install. It does not if you select "minimal".

                              But no, not the latest version. You always gotta do a dnf install cockpit to get the correct one.

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                              • JaredBusch
                                JaredBusch @Obsolesce last edited by

                                @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                @fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
                                I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

                                Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
                                Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

                                Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

                                But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

                                dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

                                If that's the case, why not install the plugins you need instead of going backwards and start removing plugins you don't need?

                                Because it doesn't just install plugins. It installs a difference version of Cockpit, the correct and current version. But it also installs the docker plugin, which i really don't care about and just leave it. I don't uninstall that. It was a suggestion for you if it bothers you.

                                Do you know if the latest version of cockpit gets installed when using the netinstall instead of DVD?

                                Cockpit installs if you select the regular server install. It does not if you select "minimal".

                                But no, not the latest version. You always gotta do a dnf install cockpit to get the correct one.

                                Are you sure? Because the netinstall has nearly nothing included on the local media. The install process pulls them from the repos.

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                                • Obsolesce
                                  Obsolesce @JaredBusch last edited by

                                  @jaredbusch said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                  @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                  @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                  @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                  @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                  @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                  @black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                  @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                  @fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                  I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
                                  I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

                                  Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
                                  Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

                                  Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

                                  But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

                                  dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

                                  If that's the case, why not install the plugins you need instead of going backwards and start removing plugins you don't need?

                                  Because it doesn't just install plugins. It installs a difference version of Cockpit, the correct and current version. But it also installs the docker plugin, which i really don't care about and just leave it. I don't uninstall that. It was a suggestion for you if it bothers you.

                                  Do you know if the latest version of cockpit gets installed when using the netinstall instead of DVD?

                                  Cockpit installs if you select the regular server install. It does not if you select "minimal".

                                  But no, not the latest version. You always gotta do a dnf install cockpit to get the correct one.

                                  Are you sure? Because the netinstall has nearly nothing included on the local media. The install process pulls them from the repos.

                                  Netinstall installs the packages depending on which option you select. If you select "Minimal Install", you get nothing. If you select "Server Install" (forget what it's called exactly, but it's the one under Minimal Install), you get Cockpit, but it's not the correct one.

                                  I'm sure because I always do a dnf install Cockpit afterwards, even though before I do that, Cockpit is working, and then after I run that, you can see it's installing a different version if you do not include the -y, it tells you.

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                                  • Obsolesce
                                    Obsolesce @JaredBusch last edited by

                                    @jaredbusch I'd grab screenshots, but dont' have anything immediately available to do it on, adn I'm heading to bed soon.

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                                    • black3dynamite
                                      black3dynamite @Obsolesce last edited by black3dynamite

                                      @tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

                                      @jaredbusch I'd grab screenshots, but dont' have anything immediately available to do it on, adn I'm heading to bed soon.

                                      The default cockpit packages that is installed after selecting Fedora Server Edition using the netinstall.
                                      dB8nVn2.png

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