Fedora 27: dnf package question

[FATeknollogee]

I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

[black3dynamite]

There might be an issue when its time to upgrade Fedora to a new release version.

[Obsolesce]

@fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

[FATeknollogee]

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

Good idea, I wasn't doing that!

[black3dynamite]

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

[Obsolesce]

@fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

Good idea, I wasn't doing that!

You can also do a dnf search cockpit to see the possible addons you can install with cockpit.

On a KVM hypervisor, I install dnf install cockpit-machines.

[Obsolesce]

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

[black3dynamite]

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

If that's the case, why not install the plugins you need instead of going backwards and start removing plugins you don't need?

[Obsolesce]

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

If that's the case, why not install the plugins you need instead of going backwards and start removing plugins you don't need?

Because it doesn't just install plugins. It installs a difference version of Cockpit, the correct and current version. But it also installs the docker plugin, which i really don't care about and just leave it. I don't uninstall that. It was a suggestion for you if it bothers you.

[black3dynamite]

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

If that's the case, why not install the plugins you need instead of going backwards and start removing plugins you don't need?

Because it doesn't just install plugins. It installs a difference version of Cockpit, the correct and current version. But it also installs the docker plugin, which i really don't care about and just leave it. I don't uninstall that. It was a suggestion for you if it bothers you.

Do you know if the latest version of cockpit gets installed when using the netinstall instead of DVD?

[FATeknollogee]

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

Do you know if the latest version of cockpit gets installed when using the netinstall instead of DVD?

IIRC, Cockpit does not get installed if you use netinstall iso.

[black3dynamite]

@fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

Do you know if the latest version of cockpit gets installed when using the netinstall instead of DVD?

IIRC, Cockpit is not installed if you use netinstall iso.

You're right. I was thinking if you select Fedora Server Edition using the netinstall, it should install the latest cockpit version.

[Obsolesce]

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

If that's the case, why not install the plugins you need instead of going backwards and start removing plugins you don't need?

Because it doesn't just install plugins. It installs a difference version of Cockpit, the correct and current version. But it also installs the docker plugin, which i really don't care about and just leave it. I don't uninstall that. It was a suggestion for you if it bothers you.

Do you know if the latest version of cockpit gets installed when using the netinstall instead of DVD?

Cockpit installs if you select the regular server install. It does not if you select "minimal".

But no, not the latest version. You always gotta do a dnf install cockpit to get the correct one.

[JaredBusch]

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

If that's the case, why not install the plugins you need instead of going backwards and start removing plugins you don't need?

Because it doesn't just install plugins. It installs a difference version of Cockpit, the correct and current version. But it also installs the docker plugin, which i really don't care about and just leave it. I don't uninstall that. It was a suggestion for you if it bothers you.

Do you know if the latest version of cockpit gets installed when using the netinstall instead of DVD?

Cockpit installs if you select the regular server install. It does not if you select "minimal".

But no, not the latest version. You always gotta do a dnf install cockpit to get the correct one.

Are you sure? Because the netinstall has nearly nothing included on the local media. The install process pulls them from the repos.

[Obsolesce]

@jaredbusch said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@fateknollogee said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

I install Fedora 27 (using the DVD iso), cockpit is installed by default.
I run "dnf upgrade"...server updates, I reboot, all is good.

Sometimes, the "RPM" version of Cockpit here http://cockpit-project.org/blog/ is newer than the "packaged" version.
Is it a good/bad idea to "manually" install the newer version via RPM?

Even though Cockpit is installed by default, I still run dnf install cockpit, which gives you the full current version with included addins.

But doesn't that installs plugins like docker, which you can't be used anyway since docker isn't installed by default?

dnf remove cockpit-docker solves that.

If that's the case, why not install the plugins you need instead of going backwards and start removing plugins you don't need?

Because it doesn't just install plugins. It installs a difference version of Cockpit, the correct and current version. But it also installs the docker plugin, which i really don't care about and just leave it. I don't uninstall that. It was a suggestion for you if it bothers you.

Do you know if the latest version of cockpit gets installed when using the netinstall instead of DVD?

Cockpit installs if you select the regular server install. It does not if you select "minimal".

But no, not the latest version. You always gotta do a dnf install cockpit to get the correct one.

Are you sure? Because the netinstall has nearly nothing included on the local media. The install process pulls them from the repos.

Netinstall installs the packages depending on which option you select. If you select "Minimal Install", you get nothing. If you select "Server Install" (forget what it's called exactly, but it's the one under Minimal Install), you get Cockpit, but it's not the correct one.

I'm sure because I always do a dnf install Cockpit afterwards, even though before I do that, Cockpit is working, and then after I run that, you can see it's installing a different version if you do not include the -y, it tells you.

[Obsolesce]

@jaredbusch I'd grab screenshots, but dont' have anything immediately available to do it on, adn I'm heading to bed soon.

[black3dynamite]

@tim_g said in Fedora 27: dnf package question:

@jaredbusch I'd grab screenshots, but dont' have anything immediately available to do it on, adn I'm heading to bed soon.

The default cockpit packages that is installed after selecting Fedora Server Edition using the netinstall.
https://i.imgur.com/dB8nVn2.png