Nest Secure: Thoughts?
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So Nest came out with its own security system that comes with a base station, 2 door/window sensors (Nest Detect), and 2 fobs (Nest Tag) for $500. It will tie into your nest app on your phone so that you can arm/disarm the system while you are entering/exiting. Extra Detects are $60 and Tags are $25. You can attach cameras and doorbells as well, but are separate. For $5/month, you can get cell/wireless monitoring.
Setting aside any "Big Brother" paranoia, what do you think? Would you do it?
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@nerdydad said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
So Nest came out with its own security system that comes with a base station, 2 door/window sensors (Nest Detect), and 2 fobs (Nest Tag) for $500. It will tie into your nest app on your phone so that you can arm/disarm the system while you are entering/exiting. Extra Detects are $60 and Tags are $25. You can attach cameras and doorbells as well, but are separate. For $5/month, you can get cell/wireless monitoring.
Setting aside any "Big Brother" paranoia, what do you think? Would you do it?
I'd take the plunge. At least you know Nest is going to roll out security updates, at least I think they've had a decent track record of that so far. I'd stay away from any company that can't or won't roll out updates when needed.
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5 bucks a month is pretty damned cheap.
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Isn't Nest famous for being insecure?
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@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
Isn't Nest famous for being insecure?
Maybe I'm not plugged in enough, but not that I was aware of.
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@nerdydad said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
Isn't Nest famous for being insecure?
Maybe I'm not plugged in enough, but not that I was aware of.
Maybe I am thinking of something else.
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Nope, its Nest. Doesn't release security patches to known issues.
https://gizmodo.com/this-nest-security-flaw-is-remarkably-dumb-1793524264
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@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
Nope, its Nest. Doesn't release security patches to known issues.
https://gizmodo.com/this-nest-security-flaw-is-remarkably-dumb-1793524264
Well, forget Nest then. My memory fails again.
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When considering home IoT things - does it work without internet connectivity to the mothership?
Yes --> investigate
No --> dumpster fire, avoid
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Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.
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@coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.
I've considered it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.
I've considered it.
Been thinking about it when we buy/build our next home.
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@coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.
I've got instructions on how to use a Raspberri Pi to do this already. The door sensor is a really simple thing to get working, and can be used for window opening as well (but not glass break.)
Using PIR sensors is also simple. https://circuitdigest.com/microcontroller-projects/raspberry-pi-iot-intruder-alert-system
You can even use smaller boards like Adafruit's Huzzah wifi or bluetooth boards for remote sensors.
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@coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.
I've considered it.
Been thinking about it when we buy/build our next home.
An Intel nuc with some form of minimal linux and a web interface. Connect to the devices with MQTT.
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I'm not convinced any of these features interest me outside of intelligent control of heating / cooling and hands free door operation. The last one would be very cool connected to an RFID reader so I can have my hands full and press my ass (wallet cheek) to it and the door pops open.
What's the draw with this stuff?
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@nerdydad said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.
I've considered it.
Been thinking about it when we buy/build our next home.
An Intel nuc with some form of minimal linux and a web interface. Connect to the devices with MQTT.
Raspberry Pi will do just fine.
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@mattspeller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
I'm not convinced any of these features interest me outside of intelligent control of heating / cooling and hands free door operation. The last one would be very cool connected to an RFID reader so I can have my hands full and press my ass (wallet cheek) to it and the door pops open.
What's the draw with this stuff?
I'm not so much considering the security stuff. Really don't care too much about it. But the heat/cool, lighting control, door control, and habit learning piece of it would be handy to have especially if I am doing something green field.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@nerdydad said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.
I've considered it.
Been thinking about it when we buy/build our next home.
An Intel nuc with some form of minimal linux and a web interface. Connect to the devices with MQTT.
Raspberry Pi will do just fine.
Just keep it on a ups then.
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Could start out with Home-assistant.io and develop an alarm system off of that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
Isn't Nest famous for being insecure?
This is my memory - Travis, go back and listen to Security Now.. Steve was basically trashing them for being part of google yet so utterly insecure.
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@dashrender said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
Isn't Nest famous for being insecure?
This is my memory - Travis, go back and listen to Security Now.. Steve was basically trashing them for being part of google yet so utterly insecure.
That's kind of how I remember it. Nothing specific, just not living up to Google's reputation and actually doing a lot of harm to them.
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I have their thermostat. So far, nobody has been monkeying around with my temperature settings, lol.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@dashrender said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
Isn't Nest famous for being insecure?
This is my memory - Travis, go back and listen to Security Now.. Steve was basically trashing them for being part of google yet so utterly insecure.
That's kind of how I remember it. Nothing specific, just not living up to Google's reputation and actually doing a lot of harm to them.
The fact that Google hasn't fired the whole lot of them and continues to allow them to damage Google's and Alphabet's rep amazes me!!!
i'm not sure there is anything they could do at this stage to get me to install, let along pay for Nest stuff.
They are basically like Lenovo to me. Dead.
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I have yet to really see an IoT company I actually trust. The closest might be the Ring Video Doorbell.
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@dashrender said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@dashrender said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
Isn't Nest famous for being insecure?
This is my memory - Travis, go back and listen to Security Now.. Steve was basically trashing them for being part of google yet so utterly insecure.
That's kind of how I remember it. Nothing specific, just not living up to Google's reputation and actually doing a lot of harm to them.
The fact that Google hasn't fired the whole lot of them and continues to allow them to damage Google's and Alphabet's rep amazes me!!!
i'm not sure there is anything they could do at this stage to get me to install, let along pay for Nest stuff.
They are basically like Lenovo to me. Dead.I agree. I dislike Nest both in design and practice. They definitely make Google look worse to me.
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@dashrender Yeah, on SpiceWorld I emphasized in the panel the need for security with IoT devices as that should be the main concern with human safety as well.
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@dbeato said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@dashrender Yeah, on SpiceWorld I emphasized in the panel the need for security with IoT devices as that should be the main concern with human safety as well.
The problem with IoT is that most of the risks of your devices are to other people.
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@scottalanmiller Yes, indeed.
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@dbeato said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller Yes, indeed.
So no one cares. Making people care about other people is a bit outside of IT scope
That's why the only answer is legislation that punishes end users.
