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    Nest Secure: Thoughts?

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    • NerdyDad
      NerdyDad last edited by NerdyDad

      So Nest came out with its own security system that comes with a base station, 2 door/window sensors (Nest Detect), and 2 fobs (Nest Tag) for $500. It will tie into your nest app on your phone so that you can arm/disarm the system while you are entering/exiting. Extra Detects are $60 and Tags are $25. You can attach cameras and doorbells as well, but are separate. For $5/month, you can get cell/wireless monitoring.

      Setting aside any "Big Brother" paranoia, what do you think? Would you do it?

      https://nest.com/alarm-system/overview/

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      • travisdh1
        travisdh1 @NerdyDad last edited by

        @nerdydad said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

        So Nest came out with its own security system that comes with a base station, 2 door/window sensors (Nest Detect), and 2 fobs (Nest Tag) for $500. It will tie into your nest app on your phone so that you can arm/disarm the system while you are entering/exiting. Extra Detects are $60 and Tags are $25. You can attach cameras and doorbells as well, but are separate. For $5/month, you can get cell/wireless monitoring.

        Setting aside any "Big Brother" paranoia, what do you think? Would you do it?

        https://nest.com/alarm-system/overview/

        I'd take the plunge. At least you know Nest is going to roll out security updates, at least I think they've had a decent track record of that so far. I'd stay away from any company that can't or won't roll out updates when needed.

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        • wrx7m
          wrx7m last edited by

          5 bucks a month is pretty damned cheap.

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          • scottalanmiller
            scottalanmiller last edited by

            Isn't Nest famous for being insecure?

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            • NerdyDad
              NerdyDad @scottalanmiller last edited by

              @scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

              Isn't Nest famous for being insecure?

              Maybe I'm not plugged in enough, but not that I was aware of.

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              • scottalanmiller
                scottalanmiller @NerdyDad last edited by

                @nerdydad said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                @scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                Isn't Nest famous for being insecure?

                Maybe I'm not plugged in enough, but not that I was aware of.

                Maybe I am thinking of something else.

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                • scottalanmiller
                  scottalanmiller last edited by

                  Nope, its Nest. Doesn't release security patches to known issues.

                  https://gizmodo.com/this-nest-security-flaw-is-remarkably-dumb-1793524264

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                  • scottalanmiller
                    scottalanmiller last edited by

                    https://gizmodo.com/nests-new-security-system-makes-me-feel-sad-for-nest-1818587036

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                    • travisdh1
                      travisdh1 @scottalanmiller last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                      Nope, its Nest. Doesn't release security patches to known issues.

                      https://gizmodo.com/this-nest-security-flaw-is-remarkably-dumb-1793524264

                      Well, forget Nest then. My memory fails again.

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                      • MattSpeller
                        MattSpeller last edited by

                        When considering home IoT things - does it work without internet connectivity to the mothership?

                        Yes --> investigate

                        No --> dumpster fire, avoid

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                        • coliver
                          coliver last edited by

                          Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.

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                          • scottalanmiller
                            scottalanmiller @coliver last edited by

                            @coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                            Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.

                            I've considered it.

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                            • coliver
                              coliver @scottalanmiller last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                              @coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                              Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.

                              I've considered it.

                              Been thinking about it when we buy/build our next home.

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                              • travisdh1
                                travisdh1 @coliver last edited by

                                @coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.

                                I've got instructions on how to use a Raspberri Pi to do this already. The door sensor is a really simple thing to get working, and can be used for window opening as well (but not glass break.)

                                Using PIR sensors is also simple. https://circuitdigest.com/microcontroller-projects/raspberry-pi-iot-intruder-alert-system

                                You can even use smaller boards like Adafruit's Huzzah wifi or bluetooth boards for remote sensors.

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                                • NerdyDad
                                  NerdyDad @coliver last edited by

                                  @coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                  @coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                  Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.

                                  I've considered it.

                                  Been thinking about it when we buy/build our next home.

                                  An Intel nuc with some form of minimal linux and a web interface. Connect to the devices with MQTT.

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                                  • MattSpeller
                                    MattSpeller last edited by

                                    I'm not convinced any of these features interest me outside of intelligent control of heating / cooling and hands free door operation. The last one would be very cool connected to an RFID reader so I can have my hands full and press my ass (wallet cheek) to it and the door pops open.

                                    What's the draw with this stuff?

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                                    • scottalanmiller
                                      scottalanmiller @NerdyDad last edited by

                                      @nerdydad said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                      @coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                      @coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                      Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.

                                      I've considered it.

                                      Been thinking about it when we buy/build our next home.

                                      An Intel nuc with some form of minimal linux and a web interface. Connect to the devices with MQTT.

                                      Raspberry Pi will do just fine.

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                                      • coliver
                                        coliver @MattSpeller last edited by

                                        @mattspeller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                        I'm not convinced any of these features interest me outside of intelligent control of heating / cooling and hands free door operation. The last one would be very cool connected to an RFID reader so I can have my hands full and press my ass (wallet cheek) to it and the door pops open.

                                        What's the draw with this stuff?

                                        I'm not so much considering the security stuff. Really don't care too much about it. But the heat/cool, lighting control, door control, and habit learning piece of it would be handy to have especially if I am doing something green field.

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                                        • NerdyDad
                                          NerdyDad @scottalanmiller last edited by

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                          @nerdydad said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                          @coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                          @coliver said in Nest Secure: Thoughts?:

                                          Which kind of has me wondering how hard it would be to make an open source version of something like this.

                                          I've considered it.

                                          Been thinking about it when we buy/build our next home.

                                          An Intel nuc with some form of minimal linux and a web interface. Connect to the devices with MQTT.

                                          Raspberry Pi will do just fine.

                                          Just keep it on a ups then.

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                                          • NerdyDad
                                            NerdyDad last edited by

                                            Could start out with Home-assistant.io and develop an alarm system off of that.

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