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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
They don't say that on their website.
So? It is not like it is a state secret.
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/11/its-official-microsoft-edge-is-coming-to-linux
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Weird, why do they only say "not for Linux" on the site when they have it on the roadmap. Why not let people know it is coming, or for which Linux platforms?
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Weird, why do they only say "not for Linux" on the site when they have it on the roadmap. Why not let people know it is coming, or for which Linux platforms?
I'm sure you can take a guess that it'll be available, at least first, for "the" most used Desktop Linux OS, Ubuntu.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Weird, why do they only say "not for Linux" on the site when they have it on the roadmap. Why not let people know it is coming, or for which Linux platforms?
I'm sure you can take a guess that it'll be available, at least first, for "the" most used Desktop Linux OS, Ubuntu.
I'm curious if we will have several options to install Edge on Linux using snap, deb and rpm.
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I can understand why Linux desktop OSs take the back seat, and even more-so Fedora Workstation.
Desktop:
All:
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I can understand why Linux desktop OSs take the back seat, and even more-so Fedora Workstation.
Kinda of, except Android is Linux so in theory, they already have it working and just haven't released it. Would they want to modify it? Sure, but it is Linux ready before they even start, so making it not work universally from the get go is weird.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Weird, why do they only say "not for Linux" on the site
WTF is weird? That is a download link, and there is not a version for Linux of any kind yet.
Could they say something else? Sure. But that does not make what I see as weird.
Especially as you don't see that on any other OS.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I can understand why Linux desktop OSs take the back seat, and even more-so Fedora Workstation.
Kinda of, except Android is Linux
Except kind of not also. Because, wait for it..... Linux is not an OS! OMG!
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Weird, why do they only say "not for Linux" on the site when they have it on the roadmap. Why not let people know it is coming, or for which Linux platforms?
I'm sure you can take a guess that it'll be available, at least first, for "the" most used Desktop Linux OS, Ubuntu.
Just because MS takes so long to make software? LOL Why would it take a while? That's the real question.
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@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I can understand why Linux desktop OSs take the back seat, and even more-so Fedora Workstation.
Kinda of, except Android is Linux
Except kind of not also. Because, wait for it..... Linux is not an OS! OMG!
Right, but it shares most of the core API artefacts. Especially the ones used by a browser.
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@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Weird, why do they only say "not for Linux" on the site
WTF is weird? That is a download link, and there is not a version for Linux of any kind yet.
Could they say something else? Sure. But that does not make what I see as weird.
Especially as you don't see that on any other OS.
I just find it weird that you go to the download site to see if it is available and instead of promoting the product, they shoot you down. They don't hint that you should look into it more, or check back eventually.
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@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Weird, why do they only say "not for Linux" on the site when they have it on the roadmap. Why not let people know it is coming, or for which Linux platforms?
I'm sure you can take a guess that it'll be available, at least first, for "the" most used Desktop Linux OS, Ubuntu.
I'm curious if we will have several options to install Edge on Linux using snap, deb and rpm.
Just Snap and/or AppImage would be fine for me.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I can understand why Linux desktop OSs take the back seat, and even more-so Fedora Workstation.
Kinda of, except Android is Linux so in theory, they already have it working and just haven't released it. Would they want to modify it? Sure, but it is Linux ready before they even start, so making it not work universally from the get go is weird.
Android is not the same as a Linux Desktop OS.
But, your argument that the product must be bad because they didn't release it for something nobody really uses doesn't fly. Numbers speak.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Weird, why do they only say "not for Linux" on the site when they have it on the roadmap. Why not let people know it is coming, or for which Linux platforms?
I'm sure you can take a guess that it'll be available, at least first, for "the" most used Desktop Linux OS, Ubuntu.
Just because MS takes so long to make software? LOL Why would it take a while? That's the real question.
Definitely not the longest I've seen
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Weird, why do they only say "not for Linux" on the site
WTF is weird? That is a download link, and there is not a version for Linux of any kind yet.
Could they say something else? Sure. But that does not make what I see as weird.
Especially as you don't see that on any other OS.
I just find it weird that you go to the download site to see if it is available and instead of promoting the product, they shoot you down. They don't hint that you should look into it more, or check back eventually.
They are already promoting it to almost 98% of everyone. I'd say they are covered and won't lose out over waiting a little longer to announce something to way < 1%.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Numbers speak.
Not desktop use numbers. Those are meaningless as there is no known way to track them. It's all just estimates and absolutely no one knows what they are supposed to mean.
Systems purchased? Systems deployed? Systems used? I don't have any clue what that chart is pretending to show us.
What I do know is that in working on machines all over, we see alternative OSes often enough that while Windows is clearly still the most used, it's amazing how often non-tech people have already tested and deployed Linux. And how there would be no way for anyone to get a stat on that. Which makes me wonder... how do we get charts showing deployment rates when there is no known way to collect that data?
But more importantly, it's about usage. Not deployments. And numbers would speak, if we had some.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Numbers speak.
Not desktop use numbers. Those are meaningless as there is no known way to track them. It's all just estimates and absolutely no one knows what they are supposed to mean.
Systems purchased? Systems deployed? Systems used? I don't have any clue what that chart is pretending to show us.
What I do know is that in working on machines all over, we see alternative OSes often enough that while Windows is clearly still the most used, it's amazing how often non-tech people have already tested and deployed Linux. And how there would be no way for anyone to get a stat on that. Which makes me wonder... how do we get charts showing deployment rates when there is no known way to collect that data?
But more importantly, it's about usage. Not deployments. And numbers would speak, if we had some.
You have a point, actually a pretty big one, but I still 'feel' like the numbers show are largely correct.
As I understand it - most of these types of charts come from places where people visit to download something common, like games.
So guesses are made based on the numbers of machines they see, guestimate the number of desktops in the wild, and extrapolate from there. is it off? likely, so much to really matter? probably not. Even if it's off 10%, which seems highly unlikely, would that change much? It means that Linux based OS's could be what, at 11% assuming it steals 100% of that 10% difference from Windows, leaves them at 70% (using graph above) and Mac still at 16% I think it was... still leaves them in last place.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
New York City schools won't be using Zoom anymore because of security concerns
As far as I know all security issues have been resolved.
now they were still evil for selling user data to FB - so make your choice..
I still don't like the fact that they can tap the calls. again make your own choice -
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
New York City schools won't be using Zoom anymore because of security concerns
As far as I know all security issues have been resolved.
now they were still evil for selling user data to FB - so make your choice..
I still don't like the fact that they can tap the calls. again make your own choiceSo there are two ways to look at it.
The first: "All known issues are believed to have been resolved."
The second: "What caused issues like this to come up in the first place and how has the fundamental approach to security changed?"
When it comes to actual security, we are about #2, not #1. That they resolved the issues they were caught with is important, but doesn't change the actual issue. Now the later issue of leaking passwords looks to have been a mistake, accidents happen. But the bigger issue, of intentionally using their system to get info about customers and sell it and to sell it to a really evil company is so big that in reality, nothing they do short of firing all management that could have known and changing out the board would make them taken seriously from a security perspective. And AFAIK, they've not even addressed the issue.
So really... what have they done to actual fix anything? Really, nothing AFAIK.
