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@obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I'd like to have all my traffic encrypted so that the service providers that handle it along the way cannot perform analytics on me other than my source and destination.
That what a VPN is for.
VPN has a handoff at some point where it will be crossing into unencrypted land before it hits the end point. I can prevent my ISP from analyzing my immediate traffic, but I have no control over who can after it leaves the VPN provider.
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@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I'd like to have all my traffic encrypted so that the service providers that handle it along the way cannot perform analytics on me other than my source and destination.
That what a VPN is for.
VPN has a handoff at some point where it will be crossing into unencrypted land before it hits the end point. I can prevent my ISP from analyzing my immediate traffic, but I have no control over who can after it leaves the VPN provider.
At that point it doesn't matter because it's not YOU it's coming from. So they analytics will be against the VPN server, not you.
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@obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I'd like to have all my traffic encrypted so that the service providers that handle it along the way cannot perform analytics on me other than my source and destination.
That what a VPN is for, like FrootVPN.
Which is also exactly what HTTPS is.
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@Obsolesce and @scottalanmiller I'm not sure why the two of you seem to be arguing that this is a bad thing. That may not be your point, but all the negative feedback relating to this topic is giving that impression. HTTPS is not a panacea and it will not create whirled peas, but it is better than not having it for a variety of reasons. There are edge cases where it is unnecessary, but is it necessary to automatically go there whenever something is brought up?
This is a trend that has bothered me about the tone here on ML. There are quite a few (what I think) are unnecessary arguments about things that are not important to the topic at hand. I've kept quiet about it thus far, but this discussion has prompted me to say something.
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@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce and @scottalanmiller I'm not sure why the two of you seem to be arguing that this is a bad thing.
Nobody said it's a bad thing...
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@obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce and @scottalanmiller I'm not sure why the two of you seem to be arguing that this is a bad thing.
Nobody said it's a bad thing...
Agreed. Just arguing that using HTTP in some cases wasn't irresponsible.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce and @scottalanmiller I'm not sure why the two of you seem to be arguing that this is a bad thing.
Nobody said it's a bad thing...
Agreed. Just arguing that using HTTP in some cases wasn't irresponsible.
To what end? There are a lot nits that get picked on this site that cause the discussion to go off the rails for no real purpose that I can perceive. You're not wrong, but did that improve the discussion in any way? I'm not pointing fingers at you in particular, this thread is just one of many where this has happened. I don't know that anything will change, but it bothers me how quality discussions devolve into a back and forth about one point that is tangential to the main focus, and not in a healthy discussion way.
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@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce and @scottalanmiller I'm not sure why the two of you seem to be arguing that this is a bad thing.
Nobody said it's a bad thing...
Agreed. Just arguing that using HTTP in some cases wasn't irresponsible.
To what end? There are a lot nits that get picked on this site that cause the discussion to go off the rails for no real purpose that I can perceive. You're not wrong, but did that improve the discussion in any way? I'm not pointing fingers at you in particular, this thread is just one of many where this has happened. I don't know that anything will change, but it bothers me how quality discussions devolve into a back and forth about one point that is tangential to the main focus, and not in a healthy discussion way.
Not to make this one of those, but I feel like, for me at least, this was productive. Because while it took a bit of back and forth, @stacksofplates exposed the OAUTH "style" risk that is very real and had not been considered. And then the HSTS necessity was brought up. WHich I think was good additional stuff.
Maybe it's too much back and forth, but isn't that how you test concepts to see what is useful and find nuances that were missed? We could skip all that, but wouldn't the discussion have less if we did?
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce and @scottalanmiller I'm not sure why the two of you seem to be arguing that this is a bad thing.
Nobody said it's a bad thing...
Agreed. Just arguing that using HTTP in some cases wasn't irresponsible.
To what end? There are a lot nits that get picked on this site that cause the discussion to go off the rails for no real purpose that I can perceive. You're not wrong, but did that improve the discussion in any way? I'm not pointing fingers at you in particular, this thread is just one of many where this has happened. I don't know that anything will change, but it bothers me how quality discussions devolve into a back and forth about one point that is tangential to the main focus, and not in a healthy discussion way.
Not to make this one of those, but I feel like, for me at least, this was productive. Because while it took a bit of back and forth, @stacksofplates exposed the OAUTH "style" risk that is very real and had not been considered. And then the HSTS necessity was brought up. WHich I think was good additional stuff.
Maybe it's too much back and forth, but isn't that how you test concepts to see what is useful and find nuances that were missed? We could skip all that, but wouldn't the discussion have less if we did?
If value is derived from the discussion, then I'm all for it. I did not have the impression from the responses that the respondents to @stacksofplates posts were getting anything from them aside from more things to "discuss". This current discussion is not alone in my opinion. But, perhaps I'm being overly sensitive and am reading too much into things.
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@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
But, perhaps I'm being overly sensitive and am reading too much into things.
Probably this IMO.
Valid points were made, additional considerations were brought to light, more understanding and concepts came from it... that's how things progress.
If only a single aspect of something is talked about, and all else is not considered, well I think that's dangerous and how misconceptions and misinformation can form.
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<opinion>Twitter: We don't shadow ban, but we make it so people's tweets don't show up in feeds if we don't like them</opinion>
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@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
<opinion>Twitter: We don't shadow ban, but we make it so people's tweets don't show up in feeds if we don't like them</opinion>
Ha
And... their stock is falling.
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Slack has purchased HipChat, from Atlassian.
HipChat effectively built this form of instant messaging platform, but Slack made the big money from it.
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Wow, what a HTTPS discussion that I missed lol. Vulnerabilities will be always there no matter what HTTP or HTTPS you have. I always have argued that having a proxy is still not secure end to end for internal traffic (I know, if anything is internal to your network we have more problems).
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@obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Nice, Dell has always supported Ubuntu. Most of the new computers we buy for VL licensing come with Ubuntu through Dell.
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