Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters
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Why was this split?
I thought the idea was to have a thread about fake job postings?????
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I'd actually guess that this is so beyond absurd that it is either less likely to be fake than normal as there isn't even the slightest attempt to make it look like a legit posting (fake listings at least tend to follow a pattern to look reasonable at a high level non-technical glance) and make the job sound enticing. This lacks that. Clearly an entry level bench tech with a manager that doesn't have any idea how anything works and can't do the job himself.
It might be that ivy league masters grads are literally a dime a dozen in the market. That's a reasonable thing. He might really feel that that's something he can just demand and get. He might be right. They will be the most foolish, most desperate, most in debt candidates so he might be trying to get someone panicking to pay their debt load.
Certainly could be fake. But there aren't the normal triggers. I'd guess this is actually not fake and more some combination of clueless and manipulative.
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@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
I will than provide a thumb drive that has a windows 10 pro installed, and ask him to install windows 10 pro on this laptop that was once windows 7.
You don't install Windows 10 on a thumb drive and then install it on a system.
He didn't say you do, two disconnected statements in the OP. He'll provide a thumb drive with Windows 10 on it. Then he tests you doing installs. Maybe the test is to see if you immediately ask for install media or stand around trying to install from the useless thumb drive.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
I will than provide a thumb drive that has a windows 10 pro installed, and ask him to install windows 10 pro on this laptop that was once windows 7.
You don't install Windows 10 on a thumb drive and then install it on a system.
He didn't say you do, two disconnected statements in the OP. He'll provide a thumb drive with Windows 10 on it. Then he tests you doing installs. Maybe the test is to see if you immediately ask for install media or stand around trying to install from the useless thumb drive.
Let me clarify. You do not "install" windows 10 on anything to enable you to "install" it on a computer.
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@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
I will than provide a thumb drive that has a windows 10 pro installed, and ask him to install windows 10 pro on this laptop that was once windows 7.
You don't install Windows 10 on a thumb drive and then install it on a system.
He didn't say you do, two disconnected statements in the OP. He'll provide a thumb drive with Windows 10 on it. Then he tests you doing installs. Maybe the test is to see if you immediately ask for install media or stand around trying to install from the useless thumb drive.
Let me clarify. You do not "install" windows 10 on anything to enable you to "install" it on a computer.
I know, I agree. I'm just saying that the way the job posting worded it, it is likely a completely clueless manager not ready to hire an A+ (or Master's grad) candidate. But it might be someone doing a trick question, you get those a lot in bad interviews.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
I will than provide a thumb drive that has a windows 10 pro installed, and ask him to install windows 10 pro on this laptop that was once windows 7.
You don't install Windows 10 on a thumb drive and then install it on a system.
He didn't say you do, two disconnected statements in the OP. He'll provide a thumb drive with Windows 10 on it. Then he tests you doing installs. Maybe the test is to see if you immediately ask for install media or stand around trying to install from the useless thumb drive.
Let me clarify. You do not "install" windows 10 on anything to enable you to "install" it on a computer.
I know, I agree. I'm just saying that the way the job posting worded it, it is likely a completely clueless manager not ready to hire an A+ (or Master's grad) candidate. But it might be someone doing a trick question, you get those a lot in bad interviews.
It would be a bad test because most people would ignore that as we see it constantly with people who are not in IT
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@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
I will than provide a thumb drive that has a windows 10 pro installed, and ask him to install windows 10 pro on this laptop that was once windows 7.
You don't install Windows 10 on a thumb drive and then install it on a system.
He didn't say you do, two disconnected statements in the OP. He'll provide a thumb drive with Windows 10 on it. Then he tests you doing installs. Maybe the test is to see if you immediately ask for install media or stand around trying to install from the useless thumb drive.
Let me clarify. You do not "install" windows 10 on anything to enable you to "install" it on a computer.
I know, I agree. I'm just saying that the way the job posting worded it, it is likely a completely clueless manager not ready to hire an A+ (or Master's grad) candidate. But it might be someone doing a trick question, you get those a lot in bad interviews.
It would be a bad test because most people would ignore that as we see it constantly with people who are not in IT
If they ignore it, they would pass.
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@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
E-mail I received
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I have a Full-Time PC Technician position in Eatontown NJ that your background looks great for. Ideally want A+ Certification, BS or Master’s Degree, windows experience, and ability to upgrade memory/storage, install drivers, and repair defective laptops. 60-70k Salary. If interested – send me back your most recent resume so we can get the process started.Please see new bullet points below for requirements:
Looking for A+ Certified computer technician.
Looking to pay between 60-70k.
Technician must have his master’s degree, in a high tier college.
Technician should easily know his way around a computer or laptop. If I give him a laptop, ask him to upgrade the memory, storage, install drivers, and upgrade windows, he would be able to complete task with ease.
Can easily identify issue and repair any defective computers or laptops.
Able to manage a team of about 8-12 technicians.Interview process – I will have a laptop with spare memory and storage handy. I will ask the technician to upgrade the memory and storage, so that I can see he easily knows his way around computers/laptops. I will than provide a thumb drive that has a windows 10 pro installed, and ask him to install windows 10 pro on this laptop that was once windows 7.
I will also have some defective machines handy to see if the technician can easily identify the issue. Than have an easy time repairing it.
[END]So it's a benchtech position that allows an A+ Cert as the equivalency of a masters degree. You're supervising 8-12 other "technicians" but no supervisory experience is required. 70k for a bench position.
What
My reply e-mail: How on gods green earth is an A+ certification equivalent to a masters degree? This is a bench tech position paying 70k a year? Very confusing job posting
I don't understand why a Master's degree is required to "upgrade memory/storage, install drivers, and repair defective laptops". And on top of that, pay $70k. A+ is all you need to do that stuff. No need for a Master's degree. Anyone can watch 7-8 others do the same thing.
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@tim_g said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
E-mail I received
[START]
I have a Full-Time PC Technician position in Eatontown NJ that your background looks great for. Ideally want A+ Certification, BS or Master’s Degree, windows experience, and ability to upgrade memory/storage, install drivers, and repair defective laptops. 60-70k Salary. If interested – send me back your most recent resume so we can get the process started.Please see new bullet points below for requirements:
Looking for A+ Certified computer technician.
Looking to pay between 60-70k.
Technician must have his master’s degree, in a high tier college.
Technician should easily know his way around a computer or laptop. If I give him a laptop, ask him to upgrade the memory, storage, install drivers, and upgrade windows, he would be able to complete task with ease.
Can easily identify issue and repair any defective computers or laptops.
Able to manage a team of about 8-12 technicians.Interview process – I will have a laptop with spare memory and storage handy. I will ask the technician to upgrade the memory and storage, so that I can see he easily knows his way around computers/laptops. I will than provide a thumb drive that has a windows 10 pro installed, and ask him to install windows 10 pro on this laptop that was once windows 7.
I will also have some defective machines handy to see if the technician can easily identify the issue. Than have an easy time repairing it.
[END]So it's a benchtech position that allows an A+ Cert as the equivalency of a masters degree. You're supervising 8-12 other "technicians" but no supervisory experience is required. 70k for a bench position.
What
My reply e-mail: How on gods green earth is an A+ certification equivalent to a masters degree? This is a bench tech position paying 70k a year? Very confusing job posting
I don't understand why a Master's degree is required to "upgrade memory/storage, install drivers, and repair defective laptops". And on top of that, pay $70k. A+ is all you need to do that stuff. No need for a Master's degree. Anyone can watch 7-8 others do the same thing.
Why not? A BS degree is not required to be a nurse. But in a market flooded with out of work people, people tend to get more and more degrees. Those that do tend to have debt and be more desperate for work. So they tend to be easier to control because they are more scared of needing to look for other work. If you have a market filled with master's grads, hiring them for entry level work can help you keep them trapped in bad work situations. As an employer seeking low end labor, college degrees make candidates more likely to be desperate and controllable. So there is a real incentive to prefer that situation for work that is otherwise high turnover entry level stuff where low skills are needed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@tim_g said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
E-mail I received
[START]
I have a Full-Time PC Technician position in Eatontown NJ that your background looks great for. Ideally want A+ Certification, BS or Master’s Degree, windows experience, and ability to upgrade memory/storage, install drivers, and repair defective laptops. 60-70k Salary. If interested – send me back your most recent resume so we can get the process started.Please see new bullet points below for requirements:
Looking for A+ Certified computer technician.
Looking to pay between 60-70k.
Technician must have his master’s degree, in a high tier college.
Technician should easily know his way around a computer or laptop. If I give him a laptop, ask him to upgrade the memory, storage, install drivers, and upgrade windows, he would be able to complete task with ease.
Can easily identify issue and repair any defective computers or laptops.
Able to manage a team of about 8-12 technicians.Interview process – I will have a laptop with spare memory and storage handy. I will ask the technician to upgrade the memory and storage, so that I can see he easily knows his way around computers/laptops. I will than provide a thumb drive that has a windows 10 pro installed, and ask him to install windows 10 pro on this laptop that was once windows 7.
I will also have some defective machines handy to see if the technician can easily identify the issue. Than have an easy time repairing it.
[END]So it's a benchtech position that allows an A+ Cert as the equivalency of a masters degree. You're supervising 8-12 other "technicians" but no supervisory experience is required. 70k for a bench position.
What
My reply e-mail: How on gods green earth is an A+ certification equivalent to a masters degree? This is a bench tech position paying 70k a year? Very confusing job posting
I don't understand why a Master's degree is required to "upgrade memory/storage, install drivers, and repair defective laptops". And on top of that, pay $70k. A+ is all you need to do that stuff. No need for a Master's degree. Anyone can watch 7-8 others do the same thing.
Why not? A BS degree is not required to be a nurse. But in a market flooded with out of work people, people tend to get more and more degrees. Those that do tend to have debt and be more desperate for work. So they tend to be easier to control because they are more scared of needing to look for other work. If you have a market filled with master's grads, hiring them for entry level work can help you keep them trapped in bad work situations. As an employer seeking low end labor, college degrees make candidates more likely to be desperate and controllable. So there is a real incentive to prefer that situation for work that is otherwise high turnover entry level stuff where low skills are needed.
Blah.
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It would make a good video - why employers like big college degrees for entry level work
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@scottalanmiller lack of jobs allows them to take advantage of people with higher degrees that cant get work
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@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller lack of jobs allows them to take advantage of people with higher degrees that cant get work
Exactly. People get higher and higher degrees while looking for work marking them as the best candidates for "will get trapped easily." It also means that they are likely to be "rule followers" so more easily controlled. If you aren't looking for the best skills, but rather candidates that are scared to leave, and more likely to accept abuse and bad working environments, high degrees for entry level work is actually one of the best ways to do that. Only works for entry level where high tech skills are not needed. Bench can do it way more easily than IT can, for example. Nursing does it a lot. But it is a standard pattern that employers know about - it's an easy way to get people that feel like they "can't leave" and lack the experience to know their rights.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller lack of jobs allows them to take advantage of people with higher degrees that cant get work
Exactly. People get higher and higher degrees while looking for work marking them as the best candidates for "will get trapped easily." It also means that they are likely to be "rule followers" so more easily controlled. If you aren't looking for the best skills, but rather candidates that are scared to leave, and more likely to accept abuse and bad working environments, high degrees for entry level work is actually one of the best ways to do that. Only works for entry level where high tech skills are not needed. Bench can do it way more easily than IT can, for example. Nursing does it a lot. But it is a standard pattern that employers know about - it's an easy way to get people that feel like they "can't leave" and lack the experience to know their rights.
Also this increases the value of skilled laborers in our country. Something like welding probably pays quite a bit right now.
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@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller lack of jobs allows them to take advantage of people with higher degrees that cant get work
Exactly. People get higher and higher degrees while looking for work marking them as the best candidates for "will get trapped easily." It also means that they are likely to be "rule followers" so more easily controlled. If you aren't looking for the best skills, but rather candidates that are scared to leave, and more likely to accept abuse and bad working environments, high degrees for entry level work is actually one of the best ways to do that. Only works for entry level where high tech skills are not needed. Bench can do it way more easily than IT can, for example. Nursing does it a lot. But it is a standard pattern that employers know about - it's an easy way to get people that feel like they "can't leave" and lack the experience to know their rights.
Also this increases the value of skilled laborers in our country. Something like welding probably pays quite a bit right now.
Does it? In what way? Welders always make good money.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller lack of jobs allows them to take advantage of people with higher degrees that cant get work
Exactly. People get higher and higher degrees while looking for work marking them as the best candidates for "will get trapped easily." It also means that they are likely to be "rule followers" so more easily controlled. If you aren't looking for the best skills, but rather candidates that are scared to leave, and more likely to accept abuse and bad working environments, high degrees for entry level work is actually one of the best ways to do that. Only works for entry level where high tech skills are not needed. Bench can do it way more easily than IT can, for example. Nursing does it a lot. But it is a standard pattern that employers know about - it's an easy way to get people that feel like they "can't leave" and lack the experience to know their rights.
Also this increases the value of skilled laborers in our country. Something like welding probably pays quite a bit right now.
Does it? In what way? Welders always make good money.
More people going for high level degrees means less people becoming skilled laborers. Supply + Demand
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@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@wirestyle22 said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller lack of jobs allows them to take advantage of people with higher degrees that cant get work
Exactly. People get higher and higher degrees while looking for work marking them as the best candidates for "will get trapped easily." It also means that they are likely to be "rule followers" so more easily controlled. If you aren't looking for the best skills, but rather candidates that are scared to leave, and more likely to accept abuse and bad working environments, high degrees for entry level work is actually one of the best ways to do that. Only works for entry level where high tech skills are not needed. Bench can do it way more easily than IT can, for example. Nursing does it a lot. But it is a standard pattern that employers know about - it's an easy way to get people that feel like they "can't leave" and lack the experience to know their rights.
Also this increases the value of skilled laborers in our country. Something like welding probably pays quite a bit right now.
Does it? In what way? Welders always make good money.
More people going for high level degrees means less people becoming skilled laborers. Supply + Demand
Oh, well not really. It's the same pool of people. It doesn't change how many bench workers that there are total. It just changes how hard it is to get into bench work.
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In nursing, it didn't increase the numbers of nurses. Nor make the market better. What it did was move the cost of becoming a nurse up and made nursing a less profitable field.
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@scottalanmiller Washington state has done this with teaching. You need a Master's degree to teach kindergarten or elementary school.
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@momurda said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, A+ and Harvard Masters:
@scottalanmiller Washington state has done this with teaching. You need a Master's degree to teach kindergarten or elementary school.
NY has been like that since I was a little kid.
