Every other post on here is about Sodium...



  • Are we the official forum for the product now? It seems everyone on here is putting alot of time in testing the product.
    It is cool to see people helping test this product and all, but there isn't alot of information about the plans of the product once it is ready for production.

    Is this helpdesk officially backed by ML?

    What will the pricing model be? I saw someone post that they have talked about before, but I didnt see any actual links

    What datacenter is being used for hosting?

    What is the background of the company? Is there other software this company has made or is this the first attempt?

    Maybe all these questions have already been answered, and maybe I missed them. However it seems like some of them are important since I am seeing alot of people on here spend alot of time with it.



  • @scottalanmiller has been blasting the forums with issues / bugs / improvement requests. I don't believe ML is an official supporter of the platform, but it is something that @Minion-Queen and company appear to be backing (IE going to use Sodium or whatever the finalized name is for production).

    As for pricing etc those would be questions to ask @QuixoticAndy @QuixoticJeremy and @QuixoticJustin since they are the official team of people on the production team.



  • @dustinb3403 said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    @scottalanmiller has been blasting the forums with issues / bugs / improvement requests. I don't believe ML is an official supporter of the platform, but it is something that @Minion-Queen and company appear to be backing (IE going to use Sodium or whatever the finalized name is for production).

    As for pricing etc those would be questions to ask @QuixoticAndy @QuixoticJeremy and @QuixoticJustin since they are the official team of people on the production team.

    I understand it cost money to keep ML up and running. I am glad we have ads on here to help support that, and I don't have any issues with any type of additional support to a very helpful community. I just want to know what is an advertisement and what is actual advice. Not that there is anything wrong at all with advertising. I back that 100%.



  • @IRJ I agree, but I also don't think the topics that @scottalanmiller is spamming us with aren't for advertisement purposes.

    Sodium is a work in progress, and it probably helps the developers to easily find any bug / feature requests when they are their own topic.

    Edit: I fail at typing some times. . .



  • I'm in no way associated with Sodium, just so it's clear.

    Just providing my opinion.

    I just mark everything as read for the sodium topics.



  • Right now there is no advertisement at all. I am purely allowing them to use the community to get their testing done. Let's just say I have a vested personal interest in them getting off the ground.

    They are not tied to ML in any tangible way other than posting on the community.



  • @minion-queen said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Right now there is no advertisement at all. I am purely allowing them to use the community to get their testing done. Let's just say I have a vested personal interest in them getting off the ground.

    They are not tied to ML in any tangible way other than posting on the community.

    That I don't see as an issue at all, at the same time I see what @IRJ is getting at. It's as if you're reading an article and then all of a sudden you're reading an ad without knowing it.

    It can be irritating, but to the same effect they can simply be ignored or read etc.



  • @minion-queen said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Right now there is no advertisement at all. I am purely allowing them to use the community to get their testing done. Let's just say I have a vested personal interest in them getting off the ground.

    They are not tied to ML in any tangible way other than posting on the community.

    Are they tied to Grove Social though?



  • Well I already knew that @scottalanmiller was/is an investor in Sodium, sounds like Danielle just admitted she is as well.

    And these things are fine.

    The alpha nature of this product definitely make it have a lot of chatter as bugs and feature requests are made.

    As for revenue generation - what I've been told is the Sodium website will have ads on it, and perhaps generalized data about the machines that data is being collected from will be sold, but the second part is a current unknown.

    Frankly, this sounds like the next generation of that other company where most of us found each other.



  • @dashrender said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    @minion-queen said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Right now there is no advertisement at all. I am purely allowing them to use the community to get their testing done. Let's just say I have a vested personal interest in them getting off the ground.

    They are not tied to ML in any tangible way other than posting on the community.

    Are they tied to Grove Social though?

    Nope not at this point. I hope they will hire GS to help them with Marketing stuff when ready though :)



  • @dashrender said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Well I already knew that @scottalanmiller was/is an investor in Sodium, sounds like Danielle just admitted she is as well.

    And these things are fine.

    The alpha nature of this product definitely make it have a lot of chatter as bugs and feature requests are made.

    As for revenue generation - what I've been told is the Sodium website will have ads on it, and perhaps generalized data about the machines that data is being collected from will be sold, but the second part is a current unknown.

    Frankly, this sounds like the next generation of that other company where most of us found each other.

    Nope I have nothing to do with it at all just letting them post.



  • @minion-queen said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Nope I have nothing to do with it at all just letting them post.

    On a side note, should the @Sodium team have a vendor or service-provider tag to help identify their accounts? Granted it's a work-in-progress.

    But would it hurt ?



  • @irj said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Are we the official forum for the product now? It seems everyone on here is putting alot of time in testing the product.
    It is cool to see people helping test this product and all, but there isn't alot of information about the plans of the product once it is ready for production.

    Is this helpdesk officially backed by ML?

    What will the pricing model be? I saw someone post that they have talked about before, but I didnt see any actual links

    What datacenter is being used for hosting?

    What is the background of the company? Is there other software this company has made or is this the first attempt?

    Maybe all these questions have already been answered, and maybe I missed them. However it seems like some of them are important since I am seeing alot of people on here spend alot of time with it.

    Hi @IRJ, some of these answers I'll be able to give you, some I won't. 99% have been answered by @QuixoticJustin or I in the past though so the information is out there.

    • ML is where we have been talking about this and involving the community so that when we have a finished product it actually is something that people will want to use. This is really what it comes down to, we don't want to waste our time creating a product that eventually no one uses.

    • The pricing model is that it's free (we are looking to monetize eventually through ads). There also might be specific features later down the road that might be so in depth that it will cost money. This is not my area though so I do not want to give false information in regards to what may cost money eventually. My guess would be for example, on-prem solutions would eventually cost money. Again this note has a major disclaimer of not being my area.

    • Datacenter: I'll get back to you on this. (again not my area).

    • All engineers have working on this project have/ potentially even still do work elsewhere on other projects (I work in the Telecom sector while doing this project for example). This will be the first project with Quixotic specifically that this team has taken on though.



  • Is there a way to "ignore" a forum category?

    Edit: I figured it out. For anyone interested, go into that forum category and the "unwatch" it.



  • @danp said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Is there a way to "ignore" a forum category?

    Yes

    Go here https://mangolassi.it/category/25/sodium and change the category to Ignoring.



  • Of course it means you wouldn't be able to contribute to the development of the Sodium platform. If that is something you're interested in.

    I also assume it means only topics posted in that category would be ignored.



  • @danp said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Is there a way to "ignore" a forum category?

    It's not necessarily annoying the feed for me, it is the fact that I follow sam so everytime I come back to ML, I see 10 new notifications related to Sodium.

    • Maybe a different account could be used that some people could follow if they like
    • Less number of total posts would be nice. Maybe have one post for feature request and another for bugs, and maybe even a third for additional comments. I think it actually hurts SEO because if you search sodium helpdesk on google you see only issues or feature requests on this page. There is no actual company website that shows up.


  • @irj said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    @danp said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Is there a way to "ignore" a forum category?

    It's not necessarily annoying the feed for me, it is the fact that I follow sam so everytime I come back to ML, I see 10 new notifications related to Sodium.

    • Maybe a different account could be used that some people could follow if they like
    • Less number of total posts would be nice. Maybe have one post for feature request and another for bugs, and maybe even a third for additional comments. I think it actually hurts SEO because if you search sodium helpdesk on google you see only issues or feature requests on this page. There is no actual company website that shows up.

    I actually haven't been posting too much in terms of creating threads. I have been getting a massive amounts of threads from other users though. Which was the ultimate goal of getting the advice everyone here. I really only create threads upon major updates/releases. Like the helpdesk initial creation. If you go to the actual category the majority of the threads created are other users opening feature requests etc.



  • @dashrender said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Frankly, this sounds like the next generation of that other company where most of us found each other.

    Nope sorry, our goal is to actually be useful and actually listen to feature requests people want. Which you can see them being implemented daily. Just trying to create something that will actually be useful to IT admins.



  • Ads and sponsored products aren't a bad thing. Maybe this is the solution that many SMBs will be able to implement, and can fill gaps SW left behind.

    I think it is important to differentiate between content and sponsored content. The great thing about ML vs SW is the fact that we are group of professionals that challenge each other everyday. I value alot of people's opinions on here. You can lose that when you are being pushed sponsored or paid content without that sponsored or paid content being noted. Because if you don't mark that type of material, when you go to recommend any solution you lose credibility. Because people are always going to think you have a special interest.

    If we can mark the material as sponsored, I think that would be a huge step.



  • Well to be fair: Sodium is not a sponsor, a vendor or an advertiser.

    Yes I am allowing them to have a category but at this point they are a group of developers trying to make a product that will hopefully be of use to those here. So while they aren't playing exactly they aren't really any of the above designations either.

    Suggestions on how you think I should classify them?



  • @minion-queen said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Suggestions on how you think I should classify them?

    They are a vendor of a product in development. The vendor tag would suffice. . .



  • I think his point is that sometimes where you log in, a majority of the threads are sodium related. It just looks ... odd.


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    @irj said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    @danp said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Is there a way to "ignore" a forum category?

    It's not necessarily annoying the feed for me, it is the fact that I follow sam so everytime I come back to ML, I see 10 new notifications related to Sodium.

    I don't follow users. Are you saying that when you follow someone their new posts are marked as notifications? Certainly not going to follow anyone if that is the case.


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    @jaredbusch said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    @irj said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    @danp said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Is there a way to "ignore" a forum category?

    It's not necessarily annoying the feed for me, it is the fact that I follow sam so everytime I come back to ML, I see 10 new notifications related to Sodium.

    I don't follow users. Are you saying that when you follow someone their new posts are marked as notifications? Certainly not going to follow anyone if that is the case.

    It does, yeah. I don't use it either, but it is one way to see what people are posting about. If you go into their profile and click the + button, it turns into a heart (yeah, that's a little weird) and you get updates on what they post.


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    @brrabill said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    I think his point is that sometimes where you log in, a majority of the threads are sodium related. It just looks ... odd.

    We just need more threads about more things. Get posting!

    You especially, since your threads tend to bring in the traffic ;)


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    @minion-queen said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Well to be fair: Sodium is not a sponsor, a vendor or an advertiser.

    Yes I am allowing them to have a category but at this point they are a group of developers trying to make a product that will hopefully be of use to those here. So while they aren't playing exactly they aren't really any of the above designations either.

    Suggestions on how you think I should classify them?

    They are a vendor just like any other. A vendor tag would make sense. Although redundant as they all have Quixotic in their names, so it would not convey anything that isn't already obvious. But for uniformity it is a good idea.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    @brrabill said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    I think his point is that sometimes where you log in, a majority of the threads are sodium related. It just looks ... odd.

    We just need more threads about more things. Get posting!

    You especially, since your threads tend to bring in the traffic ;)

    I could start some sort of crazy argument in a few of the sodium threads.

    Say something mildly controversial and then tag @JaredBusch ... that's good for 100 posts right there.


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    @brrabill said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    @scottalanmiller said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    @brrabill said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    I think his point is that sometimes where you log in, a majority of the threads are sodium related. It just looks ... odd.

    We just need more threads about more things. Get posting!

    You especially, since your threads tend to bring in the traffic ;)

    I could start some sort of crazy argument in a few of the sodium threads.

    Say something mildly controversial and then tag @JaredBusch ... that's good for 100 posts right there.

    GIves us stuff to post about.


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    @danp said in Every other post on here is about Sodium...:

    Is there a way to "ignore" a forum category?

    Edit: I figured it out. For anyone interested, go into that forum category and the "unwatch" it.

    Yup, that's why we have things like the job postings, self promotion, water closet and so forth broken out into their own categories specifically, along with vendors that have their own communities here. You can join and only get updates to Sodium, or you could get updates to everything except Sodium, or any combination of things. We don't break the IT Conversations into different groups because of topic identification issues that just doesn't work. But in theory you can watch tags of interest, but not nearly as well as you'd hope.


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