Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative "



  • Is there anyone who checked and worked with Issabel "the alternative application of Elastix "
    I need to know your experience about it , and is it reliable ?
    Thanks

    http://www.issabel.org/



  • Just saw a 4 page topic on PBX choices that @scottalanmiller and @JaredBusch were pretty heavily posting on. You can read it here

    Summary - Use FreePBX (with this ISO)



  • It's not there yet, and whether it ever will be is unknown. I would have more faith in Wazo at this point as a long term FreePBX competitor.

    If you are looking for something free and asterisk based there is a community version of sipwise CPBX. They have class 4 and 5 softswitches that are used a lot throughout Europe. I several paid products in production in years past. They also use Kamailio and SEMS, as well as some of Jitsi's technology.

    At least I hope there is still a free community version..


  • Service Provider

    @alyragab said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    Is there anyone who checked and worked with Issabel "the alternative application of Elastix "

    Elastix has been dead for so long, and FreePBX picked up the space from it. What's even the purpose of Issabel at this point? I appreciate wanting PBX alternatives, but we already have a few. Is another one needed, especially one that is basically just copying FreePBX?

    I'm not opposed to it, and maybe I'll give it a try at some point. But it seems like an odd project to have out there splintering the support community even further. Do they add a twist on to the Asterisk + FreePBX space that makes them important in some way? Wazo does some really different stuff from FreePBX. But FreePBX is the definitive Asterisk + FreePBX distro these days, so Issabel has a pretty up hill battle to relevance.

    Hopefully someone from Issabel will hop in here and talk about goals and value proposition. I'm certainly interested, but my interest in it is certainly behind FreePBX and Wazo which are established as the leaders.


  • Service Provider

    Mod note: I edited the OP with a link to the project.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    Mod note: I edited the OP with a link to the project.

    And tags I noticed. :-)



  • @scottalanmiller said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    @alyragab said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    Is there anyone who checked and worked with Issabel "the alternative application of Elastix "

    Elastix has been dead for so long, and FreePBX picked up the space from it. What's even the purpose of Issabel at this point? I appreciate wanting PBX alternatives, but we already have a few. Is another one needed, especially one that is basically just copying FreePBX?

    I'm not opposed to it, and maybe I'll give it a try at some point. But it seems like an odd project to have out there splintering the support community even further. Do they add a twist on to the Asterisk + FreePBX space that makes them important in some way? Wazo does some really different stuff from FreePBX. But FreePBX is the definitive Asterisk + FreePBX distro these days, so Issabel has a pretty up hill battle to relevance.

    Hopefully someone from Issabel will hop in here and talk about goals and value proposition. I'm certainly interested, but my interest in it is certainly behind FreePBX and Wazo which are established as the leaders.

    Yeah, I was trying not to be rude as I know people are trying to make that a go, but it reminds me of the BeOS project, Haiku or whatever. I stopped giving money 10 years ago when I realized it wasnt going to get anywhere like BeOS did. Also Q#$%#$ to Palm for ruining BeOS.



  • @dustinb3403 That SW thread is absolute insanity. The OP's logic is tragically backwards. Just install the damn thing and try it..


  • Service Provider

    @alyragab said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    Is there anyone who checked and worked with Issabel "the alternative application of Elastix "
    I need to know your experience about it , and is it reliable ?
    Thanks

    http://www.issabel.org/

    Issabel is simply some people trying to continue Elastix after PaloSanto Solutions failed and sold to 3CX.

    It is certainly not solid yet.



  • @bnrstnr said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    @dustinb3403 That SW thread is absolute insanity. The OP's logic is tragically backwards. Just install the damn thing and try it..

    Yeah there is a lot going on in that topic.


  • Service Provider

    @scottalanmiller said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    @alyragab said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    Is there anyone who checked and worked with Issabel "the alternative application of Elastix "

    Elastix has been dead for so long, and FreePBX picked up the space from it. What's even the purpose of Issabel at this point? I appreciate wanting PBX alternatives, but we already have a few. Is another one needed, especially one that is basically just copying FreePBX?

    I'm not opposed to it, and maybe I'll give it a try at some point. But it seems like an odd project to have out there splintering the support community even further. Do they add a twist on to the Asterisk + FreePBX space that makes them important in some way? Wazo does some really different stuff from FreePBX. But FreePBX is the definitive Asterisk + FreePBX distro these days, so Issabel has a pretty up hill battle to relevance.

    Hopefully someone from Issabel will hop in here and talk about goals and value proposition. I'm certainly interested, but my interest in it is certainly behind FreePBX and Wazo which are established as the leaders.

    WTF are you talking about @scottalanmiller

    There are not many FOSS solutions out there. Some would argue the only one out there is Wazo and Issabel because of the lack of clarity that FreePBX offers.

    The FreePBX GUI may be FOSS, but the rest of the distro most certainly is not.

    For all that Sangoma says they are committed to open source, they have not changed any of Schmooze's commercial modules to FOSS.

    None of that stops a FreePBX system without commercial modules from working well, but it is most certainly not a fully FOSS solution.

    The biggest thing that Elastix included, that users used a lot, was outbound faxing. FreePBX only offers this in a paid commercial module, and I think only with their own carrier SIPStation as the trunk.

    Of course you can use an ATA and it will generally work, but that is not the same thing as an integrated solution.

    Also, as you so often point out, this is the entire point of FOSS. Protection from a company going out of business. Issabel has taken the project and updated to CentOS 7, and began to stabilize the product. You cannot have this both ways.

    All of that said, Issabel is not exactly a FreePBX competitor. It is still the FreePBX GUI on the backend. It is a competitor for the FreePBX distro, but it is not a wholly different solution.

    The only wholly different solution that I am aware of in the FOSS space is Wazo (formerly Xivo).


  • Service Provider

    @bigbear said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    @scottalanmiller said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    @alyragab said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    Is there anyone who checked and worked with Issabel "the alternative application of Elastix "

    Elastix has been dead for so long, and FreePBX picked up the space from it. What's even the purpose of Issabel at this point? I appreciate wanting PBX alternatives, but we already have a few. Is another one needed, especially one that is basically just copying FreePBX?

    I'm not opposed to it, and maybe I'll give it a try at some point. But it seems like an odd project to have out there splintering the support community even further. Do they add a twist on to the Asterisk + FreePBX space that makes them important in some way? Wazo does some really different stuff from FreePBX. But FreePBX is the definitive Asterisk + FreePBX distro these days, so Issabel has a pretty up hill battle to relevance.

    Hopefully someone from Issabel will hop in here and talk about goals and value proposition. I'm certainly interested, but my interest in it is certainly behind FreePBX and Wazo which are established as the leaders.

    Yeah, I was trying not to be rude as I know people are trying to make that a go, but it reminds me of the BeOS project, Haiku or whatever. I stopped giving money 10 years ago when I realized it wasnt going to get anywhere like BeOS did. Also Q#$%#$ to Palm for ruining BeOS.

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    BeOS you say?


  • Service Provider

    @jaredbusch said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    Also, as you so often point out, this is the entire point of FOSS. Protection from a company going out of business. Issabel has taken the project and updated to CentOS 7, and began to stabilize the product. You cannot have this both ways.

    I agree, the question is, is it adding something to the ecosystem that FreePBX is failing to provide? If so, great. Certainly getting away from the commercial add ons would be wonderful.


  • Service Provider

    @scottalanmiller said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    @jaredbusch said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    Also, as you so often point out, this is the entire point of FOSS. Protection from a company going out of business. Issabel has taken the project and updated to CentOS 7, and began to stabilize the product. You cannot have this both ways.

    I agree, the question is, is it adding something to the ecosystem that FreePBX is failing to provide? If so, great. Certainly getting away from the commercial add ons would be wonderful.

    And that answer is yes, just because it contains all the pieces that Elastix had.


  • Service Provider

    Is Issabel still in Ecuador? I noticed that their feeds are still in Spanish like Elastix was.


  • Service Provider

    The reason that I don't trust issabel yet is because they have not made (that I have found) their code public anywhere yet.

    They made a github account but the code is not there.

    During early beta, they used to reference an install script on repo.issbel.org but that no longer works.


  • Service Provider

    @jaredbusch said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    The reason that I don't trust issabel yet is because they have not made (that I have found) their code public anywhere yet.

    They made a github account but the code is not there.

    During early beta, they used to reference an install script on repo.issbel.org but that no longer works.

    Oh, good point. I had not looked to see what was on their GitHub.


  • Vendor

    Surprised you guys never look at FreeSwitch? I know it's aimed more at the carrier voice market but it makes a decent PBX (There are GUI packages). It was designed for multi-tenancy and call centers which are another really nice to have the more advanced feature set.



  • @john-nicholson freeswitch is a competitor to asterisk, not freepbx. It's gear more towards developers.

    There was a project called bluebox that akin to the early Freepbx. It was a GUI for freeswith. But those guys mostly work on another project now that focuses on carrier solutions.

    There is Fusion PBX which is still very active, and similar to FreePBX. It is geared towards multiple servers and redundancy rather than a single box deployment


  • Service Provider

    @john-nicholson It has beena few years since I looked at FreeSwitch as a choice for a stand alone PBX and it simply was not there for the layman.

    You are right that I have not looked in recent years. I will have to remedy that.


  • Vendor

    @bigbear I've used the platform for PBX use cases (partially because it was more robust than Asterisk back in the day when I was a VOIP guy). I know a DEV who's done some of the work on the windows builds (Old boss) is why I ask. I know a lot of call center people who've abandoned Asterisk for it.



  • @john-nicholson you used Fusion PBX or Asterisk?

    There was also Cudatel, which is gone now. :-/



  • The open source sipwise distro is actually a Class 5 switch, so not exactly a PBX but more of a carrier solutions.

    Its too bad because they have some features that FreePBX doesn't have, and the CPBX is more of a long term service install.

    Maybe its time we do a little networking and get somebody like sipwise or Brekeke to release a community FOSS edition, or try to get developers of some of the larger multi-server freeswitch products to release something. I can think of a dozen different people to approach.



  • @scottalanmiller incredible! I was heavily into this project in the late nineties. I still have several Spark boxes somewhere that I refuse to get rid of. Haiku has been such a disappointment...

    Wasn't BeOS 5 the version you can launch from a Windows folder? I had a BeBox as well but a friend never returned it.


  • Service Provider

    @bigbear said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    @john-nicholson you used Fusion PBX or Asterisk?

    There was also Cudatel, which is gone now. :-/

    We used to do Cudatel Support.


  • Service Provider

    @bigbear said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    @scottalanmiller incredible! I was heavily into this project in the late nineties. I still have several Spark boxes somewhere that I refuse to get rid of. Haiku has been such a disappointment...

    Wasn't BeOS 5 the version you can launch from a Windows folder? I had a BeBox as well but a friend never returned it.

    BeOs is really cool. It's sad that it didn't make it. It was still pretty influential.



  • @scottalanmiller Just started this thread https://mangolassi.it/topic/14480/let-s-convince-someone-to-release-a-foss-pbx and looking for some support/feed back. I think we can convince someone to do this with a current production product. I have several ideas.



  • I think that the purpose of the Issabel is to continue creating the Add On Modules that was supported by Elastix , also it is based on CentOS 7 which will be more reliable than what Elastix 2.5 was.
    anyway i think we need to wait till we find Issabel is stable distro and we can depend on it as we did with Elastix.


  • Service Provider

    @alyragab said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    I think that the purpose of the Issabel is to continue creating the Add On Modules that was supported by Elastix , also it is based on CentOS 7 which will be more reliable than what Elastix 2.5 was.
    anyway i think we need to wait till we find Issabel is stable distro and we can depend on it as we did with Elastix.

    I assume that they are working form the nearly released Elastix 4 work. That was on CentOS 7 at the end.


  • Service Provider

    @scottalanmiller said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    @alyragab said in Issabel PBX " Elastix Alternative ":

    I think that the purpose of the Issabel is to continue creating the Add On Modules that was supported by Elastix , also it is based on CentOS 7 which will be more reliable than what Elastix 2.5 was.
    anyway i think we need to wait till we find Issabel is stable distro and we can depend on it as we did with Elastix.

    I assume that they are working form the nearly released Elastix 4 work. That was on CentOS 7 at the end.

    And it did work with a lot of patience and knowledge of the underlying systems. But it was a hard fail for the layman.



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