Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video
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@guyinpv said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
My take is that A+ might be on the "low end" of the spectrum, but there is nothing whatsoever wrong with taking it. You'll have fun stuff to study if you like computers, you'll get one cert rolling, experience taking a test, and it doesn't cost much.
The A+ is not on the spectrum, that's the issue. It's not an IT exam at all. Not because of its level, IT doesn't have a "level", but because it's not IT material. If you enjoy computers, it probably isn't fun because it's so many questions (some of which that are wrong - making memorizing wrong answers even worse) about things that really aren't much to do with computers (cable adapters being a key factor.) Don't get distracted by the fact that it is entry level, that's fine. It's that it is entry level to the wrong field that makes it so worthless to people looking to go into IT.
If you want to work bench jobs and work at a computer shop, repair computers and such, it's the ideal starter cert for that career. But that's not IT. There is no business application there. It's not a great test for bench because it is still memorizing things that even in bench almost never come up and tests almost nothing that does, and no test based on memorization is good, but at least it's the right area of study. But there is something very wrong with taking it - because every day, every dollar you spend on it, you didn't spend learning something actually useful that meets your goals.
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@guyinpv said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
So A+ might not be a true "IT" cert, certainly computer repair and bench work is often on the path to IT and is where a lot of people get their start.
I think thsi mostly happens because teachers or family mislead people and tell them that IT people fix computers (or progam, both are common misleading statements.) So people go there then realize that they want to be in IT or that there aren't many good bench jobs in their area. Bench is not really on the "path" to IT, though. If people study for bench and work in bench and then want to switch to IT, it might feel like it is on the path, but it is not. The same effort of studying and same time will lead someone directly into IT jobs instead. So, with rare exception, the A+ and its related bench careers are either a path until themselves, which is great for people interested in that, or a distraction to trying to get into IT.
In many cases, getting an IT job after the A+ and bench work is actually harder than doing it immediately because it doesn't look great on resumes and having the skills later in life is less impressive than having them earlier. I think that you'll find that the A+, which I got as well, ends up on average holding people back not just at the beginning of their career but over the course of it as well.
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@dashrender said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
Not on purpose or anything, but I skipped right over the A+ and studied for and passed the NT 4.0 MCSE as my first certifications.
It's not really skipping it any more than you likely skipped your automotive certification. It's not in the path between "interest" and the MCSE. And the Network+ didn't exist back then, so the MCP was the starter cert in that arena.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
Not on purpose or anything, but I skipped right over the A+ and studied for and passed the NT 4.0 MCSE as my first certifications.
It's not really skipping it any more than you likely skipped your automotive certification. It's not in the path between "interest" and the MCSE. And the Network+ didn't exist back then, so the MCP was the starter cert in that arena.
Well the job I had at the time was hmmm... install/fix end user PCs, run cabling, move (but not program) phones. We did eventually take over image deployment with a Partition Magic for Win 3.1 and 9x machines.
So, is that bench or IT?
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@dashrender said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
Not on purpose or anything, but I skipped right over the A+ and studied for and passed the NT 4.0 MCSE as my first certifications.
It's not really skipping it any more than you likely skipped your automotive certification. It's not in the path between "interest" and the MCSE. And the Network+ didn't exist back then, so the MCP was the starter cert in that arena.
Well the job I had at the time was hmmm... install/fix end user PCs, run cabling, move (but not program) phones. We did eventually take over image deployment with a Partition Magic for Win 3.1 and 9x machines.
So, is that bench or IT?
That's bench.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
Not on purpose or anything, but I skipped right over the A+ and studied for and passed the NT 4.0 MCSE as my first certifications.
It's not really skipping it any more than you likely skipped your automotive certification. It's not in the path between "interest" and the MCSE. And the Network+ didn't exist back then, so the MCP was the starter cert in that arena.
Well the job I had at the time was hmmm... install/fix end user PCs, run cabling, move (but not program) phones. We did eventually take over image deployment with a Partition Magic for Win 3.1 and 9x machines.
So, is that bench or IT?
That's bench.
This was my assumption.
I definitely didn't to be in that department for long. At the company, the pay topped out at like $28K for a bench tech.
Move to the LAN department (as it was called - the department that was responsible for the network switches/firewalls/servers) ranged from $40K - $130K. remember this is in NE, 15 years ago, and cost of living is still low compared to a lot of places, but apparently it's moderate compared to where Scott likes to live.
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@dashrender said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in Is the CompTIA A+ Certification Right for IT? SAMIT Video:
Not on purpose or anything, but I skipped right over the A+ and studied for and passed the NT 4.0 MCSE as my first certifications.
It's not really skipping it any more than you likely skipped your automotive certification. It's not in the path between "interest" and the MCSE. And the Network+ didn't exist back then, so the MCP was the starter cert in that arena.
Well the job I had at the time was hmmm... install/fix end user PCs, run cabling, move (but not program) phones. We did eventually take over image deployment with a Partition Magic for Win 3.1 and 9x machines.
So, is that bench or IT?
That's bench.
This was my assumption.
I definitely didn't to be in that department for long. At the company, the pay topped out at like $28K for a bench tech.
Move to the LAN department (as it was called - the department that was responsible for the network switches/firewalls/servers) ranged from $40K - $130K. remember this is in NE, 15 years ago, and cost of living is still low compared to a lot of places, but apparently it's moderate compared to where Scott likes to live.
A lot of people do go to bench before going into IT. Too many, I think, that it starts to become an assumption.
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I just wanted to say, that I have never taken the A+ test but I know the whole test and when I thought it through High School in the DR it was way back.
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I did the A+ and it was instrumental in getting my helpdesk position. Not sure what that says about where I work at but at the time my job had just been ended and I needed something. I do think the A+ helps a lot if you do helpdesk though, you quickly analyze situations and know how to narrow things down quicker. However, as in Scott's certification video,I had a big thick book and really went over it in detail and took things about apart at home to see what the book was talking about each time. Took me about 6 months to do it but I was the only person at my company to pass it the first time they took it.
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@scottalanmiller I believe this is the first time that I have commented on one of your posts. Love reading them. I do have to ask, what are you considering IT? I have been in the IT industry for nearly 20 years for several employers, very large and small. On the tech side of the IT department we have always had support techs doing "bench" work.
The IT team is responsible for moving information, allowing users to interact with information, etc. PCs, servers, even printers/copiers are all vehicles for that information processing. Someone has to fix those broken vehicles, and it's always been my experience that it is a member of the IT team who can break a machine apart and put it back together in working order. No employer that I have worked for has taken a dead PC to Best Buy or called in Joe's PC Fix.
In 2000 I took the A+ and passed. Did it help? Maybe as I have stayed on the tech/operations side of IT my whole career. I don't require it for my new hires and about agree with you that it is almost pointless. I do think it gives folks a building block of knowledge of how computers work as soon as you press the power button for troubleshooting steps (something almost lost in today's younger generation). If I see it on a resume I may set it in my "Take a second look" pile.
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@sully93 I have a video from MangoCon 2016 where instead of talking about "what isn't IT" I talk about what it is. I have a recent SAMIT video on separating IT from SE. I'll do one soon on separating IT from Bench.
