How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video
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@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
I dont know why GEN 2 cannot be installed from host CD/DVD rom, and GEN 1 can.
It can. How are you doing it?
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@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Also it is very difficult to share files or send files, like I am used with WinSCP or SFTP protocol with Linux and KVM, the sharing module is removed in HYPER-V I tried to share but was unable to, kept giving me errors.
What do you mean? Hyper-V Server isn't a file server.
But you can access anywhere on the server via admin share without issue... ex: \server\d$\share
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@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Oh and they provide the hyper v integration as cab file (guest agent):
windows6.x-hypervintegrationservices-x64.cab
I cant belive I complained when VIRT IO Tools was repackaged some time ago and they changed some folders in there ISO image, while MS gives you a .cab file and not even an executable.What do you mean? What VM are you trying to install? You shouldn't need any integration tools at all for any modern operating system on a VM. They come built in and are updated via Windows Update (if running Windows OS)
If you install RHEL or CentOS, you can download a Linux Integration Services .ISO if you need to. You simply run the ./install.sh file. All other modern Linux OSs already have the Hyper-V Integration built in to the kernel.
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@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
I dont know why GEN 2 cannot be installed from host CD/DVD rom, and GEN 1 can.
It can. How are you doing it?
Generation 2 only allows ISO
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@black3dynamite said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Generation 2 only allows ISO
The ISO can be located on a physical CD. Just browse to it when selecting an ISO for your Gen2 VM.
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@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@black3dynamite said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Generation 2 only allows ISO
The ISO can be located on a physical CD. Just browse to it when selecting an ISO for your Gen2 VM.
In Gen1 VM Settings, you can select an image file or a physical CD/DVD drive.
In Gen2 VM Settings, you can select an image file only. -
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@black3dynamite said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
In Gen1 VM Settings, you can select an image file or a physical CD/DVD drive.
In Gen2 VM Settings, you can select an image file only.thanks for correcting me, yup that is accurate.
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@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Oh and they provide the hyper v integration as cab file (guest agent):
windows6.x-hypervintegrationservices-x64.cab
I cant belive I complained when VIRT IO Tools was repackaged some time ago and they changed some folders in there ISO image, while MS gives you a .cab file and not even an executable.What do you mean? What VM are you trying to install? You shouldn't need any integration tools at all for any modern operating system on a VM. They come built in and are updated via Windows Update (if running Windows OS)
If you install RHEL or CentOS, you can download a Linux Integration Services .ISO if you need to. You simply run the ./install.sh file. All other modern Linux OSs already have the Hyper-V Integration built in to the kernel.
This is what i am talking about:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-US/help/3063109/hyper-v-integration-components-update-for-windows-virtual-machinesMethod 2: Microsoft Download Center
The following files are available for download from the Microsoft Download Center.
Operating system Update
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 R2 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 Download Download the package now.
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2008 R2 Download Download the package now.Go to the download, and it is all .cab files.
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@scottalanmiller said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Also it is very difficult to share files or send files, like I am used with WinSCP or SFTP protocol with Linux and KVM, the sharing module is removed in HYPER-V I tried to share but was unable to, kept giving me errors.
I've not tested by I can only assume that OpenSSH works fine on Hyper-V. Have you tested it?
No to be honest, I was glad when the whole thing was over and I deleted my test environment which contained of 2 Hyper-V hosts
and 1 Windows 7 and 1 Centos 7I felt Hyper-V was an afterthought attempt in the virtualization world, sorry if this offends people. but if you do you seriously have not used ESXi or KVM or XEN.
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@black3dynamite said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
In Gen2 VM Settings, you can select an image file only
And that image file can be located on a cd... you browse to it like any other image file. I think you are misunderstanding...
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@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Also it is very difficult to share files or send files, like I am used with WinSCP or SFTP protocol with Linux and KVM, the sharing module is removed in HYPER-V I tried to share but was unable to, kept giving me errors.
I've not tested by I can only assume that OpenSSH works fine on Hyper-V. Have you tested it?
No to be honest, I was glad when the whole thing was over and I deleted my test environment which contained of 2 Hyper-V hosts
and 1 Windows 7 and 1 Centos 7I felt Hyper-V was an afterthought attempt in the virtualization world, sorry if this offends people. but if you do you seriously have not used ESXi or KVM or XEN.
OK It's great you feel this way, but why? I'm not saying you are right or wrong, just asking why?
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@black3dynamite said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@black3dynamite said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Generation 2 only allows ISO
The ISO can be located on a physical CD. Just browse to it when selecting an ISO for your Gen2 VM.
In Gen1 VM Settings, you can select an image file or a physical CD/DVD drive.
In Gen2 VM Settings, you can select an image file only.In real, good IT environments this is a non issue, you would only use ISO, because you wouldn't be touching the hardware anyway, so you wouldn't be swapping physical disks out of the server.
I see this concern only being a hobby based thing, as @scottalanmiller would call it.
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@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@black3dynamite said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
In Gen2 VM Settings, you can select an image file only
And that image file can be located on a cd... you browse to it like any other image file. I think you are misunderstanding...
By use a DVD it means to use a normal installation DVD, not a disk with an ISO burned on it.
The person complaining is misusing things all over the place.
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@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@tim_g
@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Oh and they provide the hyper v integration as cab file (guest agent):
windows6.x-hypervintegrationservices-x64.cab
I cant belive I complained when VIRT IO Tools was repackaged some time ago and they changed some folders in there ISO image, while MS gives you a .cab file and not even an executable.What do you mean? What VM are you trying to install? You shouldn't need any integration tools at all for any modern operating system on a VM. They come built in and are updated via Windows Update (if running Windows OS)
If you install RHEL or CentOS, you can download a Linux Integration Services .ISO if you need to. You simply run the ./install.sh file. All other modern Linux OSs already have the Hyper-V Integration built in to the kernel.
This is what i am talking about:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-US/help/3063109/hyper-v-integration-components-update-for-windows-virtual-machinesMethod 2: Microsoft Download Center
The following files are available for download from the Microsoft Download Center.
Operating system Update
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 R2 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 Download Download the package now.
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2008 R2 Download Download the package now.Go to the download, and it is all .cab files.
WTF are you talking about. This is not DVD media. You are doing it wrong from the beginning.
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@dashrender said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@scottalanmiller said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Also it is very difficult to share files or send files, like I am used with WinSCP or SFTP protocol with Linux and KVM, the sharing module is removed in HYPER-V I tried to share but was unable to, kept giving me errors.
I've not tested by I can only assume that OpenSSH works fine on Hyper-V. Have you tested it?
No to be honest, I was glad when the whole thing was over and I deleted my test environment which contained of 2 Hyper-V hosts
and 1 Windows 7 and 1 Centos 7I felt Hyper-V was an afterthought attempt in the virtualization world, sorry if this offends people. but if you do you seriously have not used ESXi or KVM or XEN.
OK It's great you feel this way, but why? I'm not saying you are right or wrong, just asking why?
Using stand alone Hyper-V and not as role was a bit difficult for me, in Centos KVM or VMware ESXi I can do everything much quicker and more efficient and I can create some sort HA without being pushed to join Domain and have Active Directory, in order to use the migration or replication in Hyper-V your being pushed to have an AD. It seems MS knows that AD time have come to an end, and there are other methods where you can apply something similar to AD (saltstack) and they are up selling the features, if you want it you need to have AD.
Yh i know most companies have that, but lets imagine your starting from scratch what would you do ? is AD the first thing you setup ? I dont belive in being One Trick Pony, I used AD in the past and I fucking hated it, call me novice all you want at it, but I find salt stack much superior, thus I am steering away from solutions that forces me to use it.
It is pretty much the same feeling I got when setting up Windows VPN role, everything pushes you to create/link it with AD to work properly and securely (at least in VPN role that is understable).
But when you create the Windows Deployment Role, to create windows machines over boot via LAN/DHCP that server role requires you to be linked to AD domain, does that make sense to you ? this role being linked with AD? regardless I use this role in my environment and it helps me and I generate machines installation not linked to AD.
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@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@tim_g
@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Oh and they provide the hyper v integration as cab file (guest agent):
windows6.x-hypervintegrationservices-x64.cab
I cant belive I complained when VIRT IO Tools was repackaged some time ago and they changed some folders in there ISO image, while MS gives you a .cab file and not even an executable.What do you mean? What VM are you trying to install? You shouldn't need any integration tools at all for any modern operating system on a VM. They come built in and are updated via Windows Update (if running Windows OS)
If you install RHEL or CentOS, you can download a Linux Integration Services .ISO if you need to. You simply run the ./install.sh file. All other modern Linux OSs already have the Hyper-V Integration built in to the kernel.
This is what i am talking about:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-US/help/3063109/hyper-v-integration-components-update-for-windows-virtual-machinesMethod 2: Microsoft Download Center
The following files are available for download from the Microsoft Download Center.
Operating system Update
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 R2 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 Download Download the package now.
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2008 R2 Download Download the package now.Go to the download, and it is all .cab files.
WTF are you talking about. This is not DVD media. You are doing it wrong from the beginning.
Ofcourse I know this is not DVD media, those are the Hyper-V agents that MS wants you to install on your guest machine, MS calls them Hyper-V integration components.
ESXi and KVM Virt IO all provides much better ways to get this installed on your guest machines, and dont provide you a dumb .cab file.
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@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
OK It's great you feel this way, but why? I'm not saying you are right or wrong, just asking why?
Using stand alone Hyper-V and not as role was a bit difficult for me, in Centos KVM or VMware ESXi I can do everything much quicker and more efficient and I can create some sort HA without being pushed to join Domain and have Active Directory, in order to use the migration or replication in Hyper-V your being pushed to have an AD. It seems MS knows that AD time have come to an end, and there are other methods where you can apply something similar to AD (saltstack) and they are up selling the features, if you want it you need to have AD.
This might be true - but really I don't think so. Instead I think that Hyper-V was released during a time when AD was still very present and integrated it. Over time, sadly might be a long time, we should see either MS move this to using something like Azure AD or nothing local at all.
Yh i know most companies have that, but lets imagine your starting from scratch what would you do ? is AD the first thing you setup ? I dont belive in being One Trick Pony, I used AD in the past and I fucking hated it, call me novice all you want at it, but I find salt stack much superior, thus I am steering away from solutions that forces me to use it.
I'll definitely grant you that the AD requirement for simplicity is a PITA, but there are many posts out there about how to get around that now, so I should be a bit simpler.
I don't think you can compare the use of Salt for endpoints (workstations or servers) to managing a VM host. I don't recall reading any posts around here of people using Salt for managing VM hosts, so you really can't (yet) compare that to AD itself.
One thing I'm really curious about though with regards to Salt - is centralized authentication? Is this even a concept? I have 20+ users who move to many different machines - I realize Salt can help make sure that all those endpoints have XYZ settings, etc on them, though I'm not sure if it's user aware. But settings don't setup authentication. I'm also guessing that Salt can be used to make local user accounts - so a poor man's centralized authentication could be had - update the users/passwords centrally via Salt - but what if users want to manage their own passwords? How would that sync between machines? But now I'm way off topic.
It is pretty much the same feeling I got when setting up Windows VPN role, everything pushes you to create/link it with AD to work properly and securely (at least in VPN role that is understable).
But when you create the Windows Deployment Role, to create windows machines over boot via LAN/DHCP that server role requires you to be linked to AD domain, does that make sense to you ?
Heck yes it makes sense - you're playing in MS's sandbox.
this role being linked with AD? regardless I use this role in my environment and it helps me and I generate machines installation not linked to AD.
I haven't used Windows Deployment since 2008, so I'm not sure how it works today.
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@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@tim_g
@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Oh and they provide the hyper v integration as cab file (guest agent):
windows6.x-hypervintegrationservices-x64.cab
I cant belive I complained when VIRT IO Tools was repackaged some time ago and they changed some folders in there ISO image, while MS gives you a .cab file and not even an executable.What do you mean? What VM are you trying to install? You shouldn't need any integration tools at all for any modern operating system on a VM. They come built in and are updated via Windows Update (if running Windows OS)
If you install RHEL or CentOS, you can download a Linux Integration Services .ISO if you need to. You simply run the ./install.sh file. All other modern Linux OSs already have the Hyper-V Integration built in to the kernel.
This is what i am talking about:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-US/help/3063109/hyper-v-integration-components-update-for-windows-virtual-machinesMethod 2: Microsoft Download Center
The following files are available for download from the Microsoft Download Center.
Operating system Update
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 R2 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 Download Download the package now.
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2008 R2 Download Download the package now.Go to the download, and it is all .cab files.
WTF are you talking about. This is not DVD media. You are doing it wrong from the beginning.
Ofcourse I know this is not DVD media, those are the Hyper-V agents that MS wants you to install on your guest machine, MS calls them Hyper-V integration components.
ESXi and KVM Virt IO all provides much better ways to get this installed on your guest machines, and dont provide you a dumb .cab file.
What's wrong with CAB files? Windows treats them like EXEs, OK not quite, but you can right click and install them. I'm assuming there's a command line to do the same.
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@dashrender said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@black3dynamite said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
@black3dynamite said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:
Generation 2 only allows ISO
The ISO can be located on a physical CD. Just browse to it when selecting an ISO for your Gen2 VM.
In Gen1 VM Settings, you can select an image file or a physical CD/DVD drive.
In Gen2 VM Settings, you can select an image file only.In real, good IT environments this is a non issue, you would only use ISO, because you wouldn't be touching the hardware anyway, so you wouldn't be swapping physical disks out of the server.
I see this concern only being a hobby based thing, as @scottalanmiller would call it.
True, but just something I tested in my home lab, and cause it was home lab I faced it.
