Hypervisor choice
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@bnrstnr said in Hypervisor choice:
Everything is easier (IMO) on XS, even using XC before I tried XO.
I agree that the lack of a single pane of glass for Hyper-V is extremely frustrating! XC is closer to the old vsphere client. And other than backups, handles my needs on XS.
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@dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:
@bnrstnr said in Hypervisor choice:
@Dashrender It definitely seems like a ploy to get people to linger for another year until the next bump in pricing. Why take the product off the website if they truly have any intention of keeping it around long term.
We paid for it and it was totally worth the $350 at the time I did it (managing HV 2012R2 w/ win10 wasn't working very well). I have no regrets whatsoever switching to XSXO though, which also saved me a Unitrends subscription.
Unitrends subscription? You have more than 1 TB of data? I thought Unitrends was free for 1 TB and less?
I didn't think Unitrends had a free option. Isn't that Veeam?
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@dashrender We have around 2TB of CAD data. We also have a nasty habit of hoarding old drawings.
@DustinB3403 Unitrends has always had a free option, whether it be through a SW promotion or other means.
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Unitrends had two different free options in the past. I don't recall the specifics though.
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@dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:
IF money is going to be spent, and you have a separate backup solution already, I'm seriously wondering why ESXi Essentials isn't the go to option here?
IF money isn't going to be spent, well, then the choice of free options is what it is.
Definitely an option. A big part of this problem is trying to spec a solution with complete uncertainty about future budget. Maybe, there will be money to spend this year but maybe not next year so I need a fall back in that case. At least Essentials doesn't cease to function if they don't buy support next year, and the free HTML5 client is getting better.
In the for-profit sector this would be unacceptable - even when I was involved in small tech startups on very tight budgets, we understood there was a certain IT cost involved in doing business efficiently. Unfortunately, a less tech-savy group, especially a non-profit, may not have that understanding so free is often the goal.
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@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
Unfortunately, a less tech-savy group, especially a non-profit, may not have that understanding so free is often the goal.
Which of course often ends up costing them even more than the paid products.
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@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
@dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:
IF money is going to be spent, and you have a separate backup solution already, I'm seriously wondering why ESXi Essentials isn't the go to option here?
IF money isn't going to be spent, well, then the choice of free options is what it is.
Definitely an option. A big part of this problem is trying to spec a solution with complete uncertainty about future budget. Maybe, there will be money to spend this year but maybe not next year so I need a fall back in that case. At least Essentials doesn't cease to function if they don't buy support next year, and the free HTML5 client is getting better.
In the for-profit sector this would be unacceptable - even when I was involved in small tech startups on very tight budgets, we understood there was a certain IT cost involved in doing business efficiently. Unfortunately, a less tech-savy group, especially a non-profit, may not have that understanding so free is often the goal.
ESXi Essentials is like $100/yr for updates. Come on, if they can't afford that, they really can't afford computers at all.
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Now, this is not to say that EXSi Essentials is what you need. But in the realm of paid products, it's definitely a front runner in my book.
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@DustinB3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:
@bnrstnr said in Hypervisor choice:
@Dashrender It definitely seems like a ploy to get people to linger for another year until the next bump in pricing. Why take the product off the website if they truly have any intention of keeping it around long term.
We paid for it and it was totally worth the $350 at the time I did it (managing HV 2012R2 w/ win10 wasn't working very well). I have no regrets whatsoever switching to XSXO though, which also saved me a Unitrends subscription.
Unitrends subscription? You have more than 1 TB of data? I thought Unitrends was free for 1 TB and less?
I didn't think Unitrends had a free option. Isn't that Veeam?
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@dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:
ESXi Essentials is like $100/yr for updates. Come on, if they can't afford that, they really can't afford computers at all.
Yes, that's the kind of number they like. I assumed it was another $560 for each additional year (still very reasonable) -
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
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@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
$0 is easily beats that price.
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@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
$0 is easily beats that price.
Not a chance. you are missing the point as usual.
$0 gets you zero support.
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@jaredbusch said in Hypervisor choice:
@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
$0 is easily beats that price.
Not a chance. you are missing the point as usual.
$0 gets you zero support.
Get's you community support.
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@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@jaredbusch said in Hypervisor choice:
@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
$0 is easily beats that price.
Not a chance. you are missing the point as usual.
$0 gets you zero support.
Get's you community support.
Sometimes community support is not enough.
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@black3dynamite said in Hypervisor choice:
@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@jaredbusch said in Hypervisor choice:
@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
$0 is easily beats that price.
Not a chance. you are missing the point as usual.
$0 gets you zero support.
Get's you community support.
Sometimes community support is not enough.
I agree, but that isn't something we can evaluate for @jfath
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To argue the point further, many people here would recommend Hyper-V, yet there is no official support channel from Microsoft that anyone would use.
You'd use all third party support.
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ESXi Essentials gets zero support also at the $500 and $100/yr prices. Support costs more.
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@dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:
ESXi Essentials gets zero support also at the $500 and $100/yr prices. Support costs more.
Yup, he'd have to step up to Essentials Plus for basic support. Which takes the price from $560 to $5,439. . . Big jump for basic support.
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Which if you're stepping up in levels, you're paying more (and still lacking possible features).
So why not use a free hypervisor, and get third party support.
