Tape backup advice ?
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@Tim_G said in Tape backup advice ?:
I didn't see the 3-2-1 rule in there. I'd work on that first. Off-site tape backup only accounts for 1 of the 3 copies of data, and 1 of the 2 types of media, and does cover the off-site part.
But you still need 2 more copies of data on another form of media.
You should always have on-site backup. Just think what would you do if you lost just one file? You'd have to pay hundreds of dollars to get your tape back, or drive to go get it, all just to restore one little file.
Sorry, I didn't mentioned about Onsite Backup, but we do have it. We are using EaseUS Todo backup server on Windows Server 2012 to push Incremental Backup daily to QNAP NAS box which resides Onsite.
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@RojoLoco said in Tape backup advice ?:
Tape advice: use 3M 996, 2 inch width at 30 IPS. No Dolby noise reduction. Align to 250 nWb/m^2, then drive the shit out of the levels for rock music.
....oh, you meant backup tape. advice = don't do it.
If I don't want to go for cloud option, and needs to take backup to offsite, so do you people recommend External hard drive as a replacement to Tape ?
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@mobeen said in Tape backup advice ?:
If I don't want to go for cloud option, and needs to take backup to offsite, so do you people recommend External hard drive as a replacement to Tape ?
Yes. But didn't you say 8TB or 10TB?
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Nothing wrong with tape. It's a pain butncarries big benefits. LTO of course. Tapes are big, fast, cheap and durable.
In addition to real tape, check out Starwind VTL which virtualizes tape with extreme levels of flexibility on amazon s3, glacier or both.
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@mobeen said in Tape backup advice ?:
@RojoLoco said in Tape backup advice ?:
Tape advice: use 3M 996, 2 inch width at 30 IPS. No Dolby noise reduction. Align to 250 nWb/m^2, then drive the shit out of the levels for rock music.
....oh, you meant backup tape. advice = don't do it.
If I don't want to go for cloud option, and needs to take backup to offsite, so do you people recommend External hard drive as a replacement to Tape ?
Isn't offsite tape a form of cloud? Cloud in this context is just another word for offsite.
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Tape is generally way faster than a hard disk. It's insanely fast these days.
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@mobeen said in Tape backup advice ?:
@DustinB3403 said in Tape backup advice ?:
Why Tape, it's slow, difficult to transport and requires human interaction.
Push your backups off site to an online storage provider like BackBlaze or Amazon or Azure or anything else.
Tape, while cheap, still requires an upfront investment in hardware, using online storage does not.
If that's the case, how it will be I replace Tape with External Hard Drive ?
About Cloud, I am afraid of Bandwidth, we have 40Mbps down and 10Mbps. By the way, how you prefer to push the data to Cloud ? directly from Server to Cloud with some Agent or from Onsite Backup (QNAP NAS- my case) to Cloud with addons ? if
10mb/s will definitely make cloud storage options hard. Have you looked into increasing that as an option?
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@scottalanmiller said in Tape backup advice ?:
@mobeen said in Tape backup advice ?:
@DustinB3403 said in Tape backup advice ?:
Why Tape, it's slow, difficult to transport and requires human interaction.
Push your backups off site to an online storage provider like BackBlaze or Amazon or Azure or anything else.
Tape, while cheap, still requires an upfront investment in hardware, using online storage does not.
If that's the case, how it will be I replace Tape with External Hard Drive ?
About Cloud, I am afraid of Bandwidth, we have 40Mbps down and 10Mbps. By the way, how you prefer to push the data to Cloud ? directly from Server to Cloud with some Agent or from Onsite Backup (QNAP NAS- my case) to Cloud with addons ? if
10mb/s will definitely make cloud storage options hard. Have you looked into increasing that as an option?
Yeah, I may need to check about options and cost we have with our ISP.
How about pushing the data to Cloud ? directly from Server or Onsite backup storage (NAS) ?
Not sure, how secure the cloud one will be in case of viruses, while in case of moving Tape or External HDD to offsite will give us peace of mind (no connection, no virus).
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@mobeen said in Tape backup advice ?:
How about pushing the data to Cloud ? directly from Server or Onsite backup storage (NAS) ?
My recommendation is the 3-2-1 rule.
3 copies of your data (live, backup and off-site copy) 2 different medium, and one copy offsite.
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Your production servers is your live, and counts as the 1st of 3.
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Your onsite backup (to a NAS) would count as the second
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The last would be to push off-site, which I recommend performing this push (or pull) from your on-site NAS or online storage provider.
That would give you the best backup options.
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@DustinB3403 said in Tape backup advice ?:
Why Tape, it's slow, difficult to transport and requires human interaction.
Well, two out of three ain't bad.
Tape is fast as hell, plenty faster than anything you got for a pipe:
https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/storage/tape/oem/lto6/full-high/specifications.htmlDifficult to transport? I can throw an LTO cartridge across the room and it's ready to go. It fits in my pocket, and really don't need much effort to put it in a box and have someone pick them up.
Human interaction is a real concern, but that's what you pay smarthands for. I would have a guy come by the DC once a week, pull out an entire tray of tapes from the library, replace them with fresh tapes, and be out the door in minutes.
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@PSX_Defector you have to account for the travel time.
Sure tape performance is fast, but the pyhsical transport is slow.
Hand carrying it poses risks as well, like risk from a natural disaster. The goal is to have a geographic separation beyond an hours drive.
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we have issues with tape: no one wants the burder and responsibility of managing it. and company don't event provide insurrance for accidental damage of copies. tape managed by external company could be ok, but they ask -of course- lot of money for picking it . So offsite is going to be on a remote site for us (could or colo where we will place other stuff).
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@scottalanmiller said in Tape backup advice ?:
@mobeen said in Tape backup advice ?:
@RojoLoco said in Tape backup advice ?:
Tape advice: use 3M 996, 2 inch width at 30 IPS. No Dolby noise reduction. Align to 250 nWb/m^2, then drive the shit out of the levels for rock music.
....oh, you meant backup tape. advice = don't do it.
If I don't want to go for cloud option, and needs to take backup to offsite, so do you people recommend External hard drive as a replacement to Tape ?
Isn't offsite tape a form of cloud? Cloud in this context is just another word for offsite.
Repeat : Not sure, how secure the cloud one will be in case of viruses, while in case of moving Tape or External HDD to offsite will give us peace of mind (no connection, no virus).
Let's say if I have resolved the issue of Bandwidth by increasing, how about pricing for Cloud ? and not sure, how much space I should buy ? maybe I need to test it by Free Trial if they have ?
Which cloud option do you suggest ? I think, Amazon Glacier is not suitable, as its for Cold Archive.
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@mobeen said in Tape backup advice ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Tape backup advice ?:
@mobeen said in Tape backup advice ?:
@DustinB3403 said in Tape backup advice ?:
Why Tape, it's slow, difficult to transport and requires human interaction.
Push your backups off site to an online storage provider like BackBlaze or Amazon or Azure or anything else.
Tape, while cheap, still requires an upfront investment in hardware, using online storage does not.
If that's the case, how it will be I replace Tape with External Hard Drive ?
About Cloud, I am afraid of Bandwidth, we have 40Mbps down and 10Mbps. By the way, how you prefer to push the data to Cloud ? directly from Server to Cloud with some Agent or from Onsite Backup (QNAP NAS- my case) to Cloud with addons ? if
10mb/s will definitely make cloud storage options hard. Have you looked into increasing that as an option?
Yeah, I may need to check about options and cost we have with our ISP.
How about pushing the data to Cloud ? directly from Server or Onsite backup storage (NAS) ?
Not sure, how secure the cloud one will be in case of viruses, while in case of moving Tape or External HDD to offsite will give us peace of mind (no connection, no virus).
Depends, they talked about that at VeeamOn. With something like Starwind VTL on Glacier, the access time to retrieve is so slow that there are ways to effectively intervene before ransomware would successfully get your data.
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@DustinB3403 said in Tape backup advice ?:
Sure tape performance is fast, but the pyhsical transport is slow.
Slow in what sense? It's screaming fast in terms of Gb/s.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Tape backup advice ?:
we have issues with tape: no one wants the burder and responsibility of managing it. and company don't event provide insurrance for accidental damage of copies. tape managed by external company could be ok, but they ask -of course- lot of money for picking it . So offsite is going to be on a remote site for us (could or colo where we will place other stuff).
Then use robots, that's what big companies do. No human interaction needed. Stick a robot in your datacenter and voila.
IBM was showing off their insane scale robot at VeeamOn, it was nifty.
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@mobeen said in Tape backup advice ?:
Repeat : Not sure, how secure the cloud one will be in case of viruses, while in case of moving Tape or External HDD to offsite will give us peace of mind (no connection, no virus).
You are aware that Amazon Glacier is tape in the cloud, right?
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@mobeen said in Tape backup advice ?:
Let's say if I have resolved the issue of Bandwidth by increasing, how about pricing for Cloud ? and not sure, how much space I should buy ? maybe I need to test it by Free Trial if they have ?
No one does free trials of storage. Since you way so little for what you use, there is no reason to. And you don't buy space, you use what you need.
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@mobeen said in Tape backup advice ?:
Which cloud option do you suggest ? I think, Amazon Glacier is not suitable, as its for Cold Archive.
Is that not what this would be? Tapes are cold archives already. So if Glacier isn't suitable, is tape suitable? They share that designation.
BackBlaze B2 is cheaper than S3 and we really like it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Tape backup advice ?:
@DustinB3403 said in Tape backup advice ?:
Sure tape performance is fast, but the pyhsical transport is slow.
Slow in what sense? It's screaming fast in terms of Gb/s.
The physical transportation from offsite storage to onsite recovery. It is slow in comparison.
Highways speeds maybe.
You quoted me, but clearly didn't get what I was saying.
