FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
But it’s not that, and that’s where I say the law is not written for modern times. It’s was made to be exploited. It solved nothing.
It was named brilliantly.
So you keep saying this, but we keep asking what you mean? Net Neutrality was named for exactly what we need. True. So shooting it down is terrible, I agree.
Modern times work just like ancient times, information needs to not get prioritization to manipulate us. How was it exploited? I've heard no rumour of such a thing.
Then why was Comcast still throttling Netflix to 10mb through the entire life of the bill?
I’ll post some specific verbage on this.
This is America, big companies have direct access to grease any palms that they want. The degree of corruption in the US is mind blowing. I've lived all over the world and I've never seen any culture so gripped by government corruption. That companies get away with terrible actions is to be expected. But we must hold accountable those that benefit from that corruption and not use it to excuse enabling more corruption.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
But it’s not that, and that’s where I say the law is not written for modern times. It’s was made to be exploited. It solved nothing.
It was named brilliantly.
So you keep saying this, but we keep asking what you mean? Net Neutrality was named for exactly what we need. True. So shooting it down is terrible, I agree.
Modern times work just like ancient times, information needs to not get prioritization to manipulate us. How was it exploited? I've heard no rumour of such a thing.
Then why was Comcast still throttling Netflix to 10mb through the entire life of the bill?
I’ll post some specific verbage on this.
Corruption, a constant complaint. How did Pai allow that all of this time? I'm assume he has a nice vacation package from it.
He wasn’t in charge then...
So he took charge today? Or Comcast wasn't actually doing this? What am I missing?
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Is null routing a ddos attack uneven access of its blocked at the edge of a network?
The FCC I believe should be adaptive and do what users want. No user wants to pay more for video. If at some point video suppresses other media we haven’t though of than change the law... right now it’s not suppressing anything
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
The FCC I believe should be adaptive and do what users want. No user wants to pay more for video. If at some point video suppresses other media we haven’t though of than change the law... right now it’s not suppressing anything
No, the FCC should protect Americans from being tricked by big corporations to take away their freedoms. We fundamentally differ on what the government should do. I think it should protect the country, not sell it out, even if the citizens are easily duped.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If at some point video suppresses other media we haven’t though of than change the law... right now it’s not suppressing anything
How do you know this?
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If at some point video suppresses other media we haven’t though of than change the law... right now it’s not suppressing anything
How do you know this?
Because those people would be whining and crying in the streets about it.
Take away binge on and stream saver from everyone and then see what everyone thinks of NN lol
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Part of the issue with repealing NN, is that you can never claim to know that you are not suppressed. As long as NN is gone, your ability to state what is and isn't repressed does not exist because your perception of the world is governed by others. Your opinion is no longer your own.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If at some point video suppresses other media we haven’t though of than change the law... right now it’s not suppressing anything
How do you know this?
Because those people would be whining and crying in the streets about it.
This is false. If ML is repressed, how would we know? We can't. That's the point. Total control, to the point that people can't tell that they are controlled. There is no one to whine and complain, the system is far too complex for that.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Part of the issue with repealing NN, is that you can never claim to know that you are not suppressed. As long as NN is gone, your ability to state what is and isn't repressed does not exist because your perception of the world is governed by others. Your opinion is no longer your own.
Part of what you are doing is what I hate about the law itself.
Speculation instead of programmatic application of laws is what leads to all this bureaucracy.
There is never going to be perfect and definitive legislation for an ever changing internet
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Take away binge on and stream saver from everyone and then see what everyone thinks of NN lol
Only if you then raise prices artificially to make it SEEM like those things were lowering prices, which we know can't be true. It doesn't work this way. The private companies will just raise prices to convince people of anything.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Take away binge on and stream saver from everyone and then see what everyone thinks of NN lol
Only if you then raise prices artificially to make it SEEM like those things were lowering prices, which we know can't be true. It doesn't work this way. The private companies will just raise prices to convince people of anything.
Would love to see a mobile provider raise their data prices. Wouldn’t work out too well for them.
Again speculation over pragmatism.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Part of the issue with repealing NN, is that you can never claim to know that you are not suppressed. As long as NN is gone, your ability to state what is and isn't repressed does not exist because your perception of the world is governed by others. Your opinion is no longer your own.
Part of what you are doing is what I hate about the law itself.
Speculation instead of programmatic application of laws is what leads to all this bureaucracy.
There is never going to be perfect and definitive legislation for an ever changing internet
Why? Why do you need all this legal stuff? All packets are equal, done. It's easy. SO EASY. This "ever changing Internet" is BS. There is nothing in the technology that matters. Hundred year old laws will work perfectly for this. The idea that new network tech makes equal access antiquated is crazy. What possible change to technology could have such an effect? Certainly no technology that exists today or has been thought of for the future.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Take away binge on and stream saver from everyone and then see what everyone thinks of NN lol
Only if you then raise prices artificially to make it SEEM like those things were lowering prices, which we know can't be true. It doesn't work this way. The private companies will just raise prices to convince people of anything.
Would love to see a mobile provider raise their data prices. Wouldn’t work out too well for them.
You just claimed that they would if you took away Binge On and other services. If the prices didn't go up, why would people complain? Makes no sense.
You are proving my point over and over I feel. but missing tha tyou are doing it.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Part of the issue with repealing NN, is that you can never claim to know that you are not suppressed. As long as NN is gone, your ability to state what is and isn't repressed does not exist because your perception of the world is governed by others. Your opinion is no longer your own.
Part of what you are doing is what I hate about the law itself.
Speculation instead of programmatic application of laws is what leads to all this bureaucracy.
There is never going to be perfect and definitive legislation for an ever changing internet
Why? Why do you need all this legal stuff? All packets are equal, done. It's easy. SO EASY. This "ever changing Internet" is BS. There is nothing in the technology that matters. Hundred year old laws will work perfectly for this. The idea that new network tech makes equal access antiquated is crazy. What possible change to technology could have such an effect? Certainly no technology that exists today or has been thought of for the future.
I agree we need less legal stuff, enact laws as needed, that’s why we have a whole division of government with the power to change laws and adapt to changes in technology.
This isn’t Rowe vs wade. It’s always been speculation.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Again speculation over pragmatism.
If so, my point is proved. If prices don't go up, then we can take away those fake "lower price" programs without effect. if they do go up, the the speculation is proved.
Eithe way, it proves the point.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Part of the issue with repealing NN, is that you can never claim to know that you are not suppressed. As long as NN is gone, your ability to state what is and isn't repressed does not exist because your perception of the world is governed by others. Your opinion is no longer your own.
Part of what you are doing is what I hate about the law itself.
Speculation instead of programmatic application of laws is what leads to all this bureaucracy.
There is never going to be perfect and definitive legislation for an ever changing internet
Why? Why do you need all this legal stuff? All packets are equal, done. It's easy. SO EASY. This "ever changing Internet" is BS. There is nothing in the technology that matters. Hundred year old laws will work perfectly for this. The idea that new network tech makes equal access antiquated is crazy. What possible change to technology could have such an effect? Certainly no technology that exists today or has been thought of for the future.
I agree we need less legal stuff, enact laws as needed...
Other than enforcing net neutrality, what law is needed? None AFAIK.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Take away binge on and stream saver from everyone and then see what everyone thinks of NN lol
Only if you then raise prices artificially to make it SEEM like those things were lowering prices, which we know can't be true. It doesn't work this way. The private companies will just raise prices to convince people of anything.
Would love to see a mobile provider raise their data prices. Wouldn’t work out too well for them.
You just claimed that they would if you took away Binge On and other services. If the prices didn't go up, why would people complain? Makes no sense.
You are proving my point over and over I feel. but missing tha tyou are doing it.
Prices would go up and people would be pissed. How is that pricing your point.
If you blind someone form the NN discussion and ask them what they want they would pick choose. They don’t care about your speculative theoretical issues where some unknown media type is suppressed.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
This isn’t Rowe vs wade. It’s always been speculation.
What do you mean it is speculation? You keep saying this, but we know that given the opportunity, what we feer happens. It's not speculation.
And even suggesting speculation seems crazy considering that companies fought tooth and nail to go against the will of the country to gain teh right to do one thing... and you call that one thing speculation?
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Also, you say that the FCC should provide what people want. Yet the people spoke and wanted neutrality. It seems you want the FCC to do what the people want... as long as it isn't neutrality.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Take away binge on and stream saver from everyone and then see what everyone thinks of NN lol
Only if you then raise prices artificially to make it SEEM like those things were lowering prices, which we know can't be true. It doesn't work this way. The private companies will just raise prices to convince people of anything.
Would love to see a mobile provider raise their data prices. Wouldn’t work out too well for them.
You just claimed that they would if you took away Binge On and other services. If the prices didn't go up, why would people complain? Makes no sense.
You are proving my point over and over I feel. but missing tha tyou are doing it.
Prices would go up and people would be pissed. How is that pricing your point.
Because the only reason that prices could go up is if they were artificially inflated. Keep the per GB price the same as today, and no one would notice.
