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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
If we consider the internet like we consider power - would you consider it crazy for the power company to say - oh hey, yeah we don't like Sony.. so you can't use the power you get from us to power Sony gear..
That's the same as saying that they don't like Netflix, so you get slow access, well below what YOU PAID FOR.
Does that seem right to you?
I agree with what you are saying. But NN wasn’t just about that. It did a whole lot more than that.
It’s just well branded “Net Nuetrality” who can argue with a name like that.
So give me more examples of what NN did to those poor providers...
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.
There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.
Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.
How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?
They wanted to offer free video streaming services to any video provider who would use the codec conversion to their wireless subscribers. Competitors cried foul play and used NN, Pai overruled then. That’s one of many reasons NN is gone. It’s not over through, just the beginning.
How does offering that violate NN?
NN guarantees equal access. Offering certain things more than others is the opposite of NN.
This is why Pai is bad, he wants your ISP to choose what you get fast and what you get slow so that he can manipulate public opinion.
Not at all why Pai wants, just what the campaign against him wants you to think.
He had to repeal NN to replace it.
That's not how this works. That's what the ISPs want you to think, and they control what you see now, so more and more people will get that presented to them thanks to Pai selling us out today.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.
There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.
Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.
How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?
They wanted to offer free video streaming services to any video provider who would use the codec conversion to their wireless subscribers. Competitors cried foul play and used NN, Pai overruled then. That’s one of many reasons NN is gone. It’s not over through, just the beginning.
How does offering that violate NN?
NN guarantees equal access. Offering certain things more than others is the opposite of NN.
This is why Pai is bad, he wants your ISP to choose what you get fast and what you get slow so that he can manipulate public opinion.
How does this apply to TMobile? That's where this thread is about.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.
There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.
Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.
How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?
They wanted to offer free video streaming services to any video provider who would use the codec conversion to their wireless subscribers. Competitors cried foul play and used NN, Pai overruled then. That’s one of many reasons NN is gone. It’s not over through, just the beginning.
How does offering that violate NN?
NN guarantees equal access. Offering certain things more than others is the opposite of NN.
This is why Pai is bad, he wants your ISP to choose what you get fast and what you get slow so that he can manipulate public opinion.
How does this apply to TMobile? That's where this thread is about.
TMobile has gotten away with not being held to NN. It shows how easily Pai can be bought off.
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TMobile, sadly, took advantage of government corruption for their own goals. It's sad that TMobile did this, but they are a foreign company after all and their focus isn't the freedom of Americans.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.
There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.
Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.
How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?
They wanted to offer free video streaming services to any video provider who would use the codec conversion to their wireless subscribers. Competitors cried foul play and used NN, Pai overruled then. That’s one of many reasons NN is gone. It’s not over through, just the beginning.
How does offering that violate NN?
They charged for HBO and Youtube data usage and didn’t charge for the video services that signed up. It’s “uneven access” like Scott said. But you see how it screws the customer and reduces competition?
They charge for HBO and Youtube because those two refuesed to use the codex... you said anyone who uses the codex gets a free ride - soo wake up HBO, install the damned codex for TMo and move on.. problem solved.
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Lol NN also never stopped the throttling. It’s never stopped. Only specific legislation can stop it.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.
There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.
Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.
How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?
They wanted to offer free video streaming services to any video provider who would use the codec conversion to their wireless subscribers. Competitors cried foul play and used NN, Pai overruled then. That’s one of many reasons NN is gone. It’s not over through, just the beginning.
How does offering that violate NN?
They charged for HBO and Youtube data usage and didn’t charge for the video services that signed up. It’s “uneven access” like Scott said. But you see how it screws the customer and reduces competition?
They charge for HBO and Youtube because those two refuesed to use the codex... you said anyone who uses the codex gets a free ride - soo wake up HBO, install the damned codex for TMo and move on.. problem solved.
Um... do you want NN or not? So you think that ISPs SHOULD be able to tell providers what to do and decide, using decisions like codec choices, who can see what and how fast?
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Lol NN also never stopped the throttling. It’s never stopped. Only specific legislation can stop it.
It only didn't stop it because the FCC was so easily bought off.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.
There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.
Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.
How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?
They wanted to offer free video streaming services to any video provider who would use the codec conversion to their wireless subscribers. Competitors cried foul play and used NN, Pai overruled then. That’s one of many reasons NN is gone. It’s not over through, just the beginning.
How does offering that violate NN?
They charged for HBO and Youtube data usage and didn’t charge for the video services that signed up. It’s “uneven access” like Scott said. But you see how it screws the customer and reduces competition?
They charge for HBO and Youtube because those two refuesed to use the codex... you said anyone who uses the codex gets a free ride - soo wake up HBO, install the damned codex for TMo and move on.. problem solved.
Exactly and why didn’t they want to use the codec???
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.
There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.
Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.
How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?
TMobile provides uneven access to the Internet. I like TMobile service, but I'm super unhappy about that stuff.
what do you mean uneven?
The ISP, rather than the customer, gets to decide what services get high speed or not.
oh? TMo is deciding? I though Bigbear said that TMo was giving free access to video streaming if you used a specific codex.. when did we talk about TMo deciding who got high speed or not
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.
There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.
Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.
How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?
They wanted to offer free video streaming services to any video provider who would use the codec conversion to their wireless subscribers. Competitors cried foul play and used NN, Pai overruled then. That’s one of many reasons NN is gone. It’s not over through, just the beginning.
How does offering that violate NN?
They charged for HBO and Youtube data usage and didn’t charge for the video services that signed up. It’s “uneven access” like Scott said. But you see how it screws the customer and reduces competition?
They charge for HBO and Youtube because those two refuesed to use the codex... you said anyone who uses the codex gets a free ride - soo wake up HBO, install the damned codex for TMo and move on.. problem solved.
Exactly and why didn’t they want to use the codec???
Not "exactly", this is pure evil. TMobile should NEVER get to dictate how something like that is done, never. This is AWFUL.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Lol NN also never stopped the throttling. It’s never stopped. Only specific legislation can stop it.
It only didn't stop it because the FCC was so easily bought off.
Pure speculation. There’s no specific langauage to stop to. Title ii is old telecom law.
If anything NN makes corruption more likely.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.
There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.
Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.
How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?
TMobile provides uneven access to the Internet. I like TMobile service, but I'm super unhappy about that stuff.
what do you mean uneven?
The ISP, rather than the customer, gets to decide what services get high speed or not.
oh? TMo is deciding? I though Bigbear said that TMo was giving free access to video streaming if you used a specific codex.. when did we talk about TMo deciding who got high speed or not
What do you mean, you just described how they are deciding.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Lol NN also never stopped the throttling. It’s never stopped. Only specific legislation can stop it.
It only didn't stop it because the FCC was so easily bought off.
Pure speculation. There’s no specific langauage to stop to. Title ii is old telecom law.
If anything NN makes corruption more likely.
How?
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.
There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.
Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.
How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?
They wanted to offer free video streaming services to any video provider who would use the codec conversion to their wireless subscribers. Competitors cried foul play and used NN, Pai overruled then. That’s one of many reasons NN is gone. It’s not over through, just the beginning.
How does offering that violate NN?
They charged for HBO and Youtube data usage and didn’t charge for the video services that signed up. It’s “uneven access” like Scott said. But you see how it screws the customer and reduces competition?
They charge for HBO and Youtube because those two refuesed to use the codex... you said anyone who uses the codex gets a free ride - soo wake up HBO, install the damned codex for TMo and move on.. problem solved.
Exactly and why didn’t they want to use the codec???
Not "exactly", this is pure evil. TMobile should NEVER get to dictate how something like that is done, never. This is AWFUL.
They’re just saying “hey, we found a way to make steaming unlimited which users want, anyone can get on board”
And Verizon said “oh shit, that’s a big money maker, good thing NN can stop it”
Absolutely not competitive.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
TMobile, sadly, took advantage of government corruption for their own goals. It's sad that TMobile did this, but they are a foreign company after all and their focus isn't the freedom of Americans.
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
TMobile, sadly, took advantage of government corruption for their own goals. It's sad that TMobile did this, but they are a foreign company after all and their focus isn't the freedom of Americans.
can you provide examples of what TMo took advantage of? what they did that was against NN - please provide specifics.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.
There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.
Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.
How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?
They wanted to offer free video streaming services to any video provider who would use the codec conversion to their wireless subscribers. Competitors cried foul play and used NN, Pai overruled then. That’s one of many reasons NN is gone. It’s not over through, just the beginning.
How does offering that violate NN?
They charged for HBO and Youtube data usage and didn’t charge for the video services that signed up. It’s “uneven access” like Scott said. But you see how it screws the customer and reduces competition?
They charge for HBO and Youtube because those two refuesed to use the codex... you said anyone who uses the codex gets a free ride - soo wake up HBO, install the damned codex for TMo and move on.. problem solved.
Exactly and why didn’t they want to use the codec???
Not "exactly", this is pure evil. TMobile should NEVER get to dictate how something like that is done, never. This is AWFUL.
They’re just saying “hey, we found a way to make steaming unlimited which users want, anyone can get on board”
And Verizon said “oh shit, that’s a big money maker, good thing NN can stop it”
Absolutely not competitive.
Verizon could have done the same thing by that logic.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
can you provide examples of what TMo took advantage of? what they did that was against NN - please provide specifics.
What do you mean? We are talking about it already. They dictated that certain technology got a different priority than others.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.
There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.
Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.
How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?
They wanted to offer free video streaming services to any video provider who would use the codec conversion to their wireless subscribers. Competitors cried foul play and used NN, Pai overruled then. That’s one of many reasons NN is gone. It’s not over through, just the beginning.
How does offering that violate NN?
They charged for HBO and Youtube data usage and didn’t charge for the video services that signed up. It’s “uneven access” like Scott said. But you see how it screws the customer and reduces competition?
They charge for HBO and Youtube because those two refuesed to use the codex... you said anyone who uses the codex gets a free ride - soo wake up HBO, install the damned codex for TMo and move on.. problem solved.
Um... do you want NN or not? So you think that ISPs SHOULD be able to tell providers what to do and decide, using decisions like codec choices, who can see what and how fast?
There was NO speed change here - at least not that I'm aware of. What you did have affected by CHOOSing to use the codex is that use of codex would NOT count against your data pool, nothing more.
