FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
That's just it - it won't happen overnight. It will take months or even years.
And it will be slow. I think @DustinB3403 mentioned the boiled frog analogy. This is going to be death by a thousand cuts and there will be no relief from a consumer advocacy group (which is what the FCC was originally intended to be).
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@dashrender Or government corruption.
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@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
That's just it - it won't happen overnight. It will take months or even years.
And it will be slow. I think @DustinB3403 mentioned the boiled frog analogy. This is going to be death by a thousand cuts and there will be no relief from a consumer advocacy group (which is what the FCC was originally intended to be).
Scott mentioned it, but it's exactly what will happen.
You won't think anything about having to pay an extra $50 per month to be able to watch Youtube or whatever service comes out in the future.
To think about this differently, imagine if hospitals had to pay for faster internet service so a specialist surgeon in France can perform a remote operation on a patient in Canada.
They do this today, but aren't charged extra for the bandwidth speeds required for this kind of service.
Now an ISP could force the hospital (and subsequently your health insurance) more for unfettered internet speeds across their network. So your 1Gbe internet connection is actually 1 Gbe end to end.
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
That's just it - it won't happen overnight. It will take months or even years.
And it will be slow. I think @DustinB3403 mentioned the boiled frog analogy. This is going to be death by a thousand cuts and there will be no relief from a consumer advocacy group (which is what the FCC was originally intended to be).
Scott mentioned it, but it's exactly what will happen.
You won't think anything about having to pay an extra $50 per month to be able to watch Youtube or whatever service comes out in the future.
To think about this differently, imagine if hospitals had to pay for faster internet service so a specialist surgeon in France can perform a remote operation on a patient in Canada.
They do this today, but aren't charged extra for the bandwidth speeds required for this kind of service.
Now an ISP could force the hospital (and subsequently your health insurance) more for unfettered internet speeds across their network. So your 1Gbe internet connection is actually 1 Gbe end to end.
Or could charge more depending on who you are!
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Well
That was nice for awhile
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
That's just it - it won't happen overnight. It will take months or even years.
And it will be slow. I think @DustinB3403 mentioned the boiled frog analogy. This is going to be death by a thousand cuts and there will be no relief from a consumer advocacy group (which is what the FCC was originally intended to be).
Scott mentioned it, but it's exactly what will happen.
You won't think anything about having to pay an extra $50 per month to be able to watch Youtube or whatever service comes out in the future.
To think about this differently, imagine if hospitals had to pay for faster internet service so a specialist surgeon in France can perform a remote operation on a patient in Canada.
They do this today, but aren't charged extra for the bandwidth speeds required for this kind of service.
Now an ISP could force the hospital (and subsequently your health insurance) more for unfettered internet speeds across their network. So your 1Gbe internet connection is actually 1 Gbe end to end.
Or could charge more depending on who you are!
Exactly service providers will get charged through the nose to be able to provide service at any decent internet speeds across a competitors network.
IE: No more apple pay on samsung phones etc. . . (as a bad example)
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State attorney general's from across the nation are suing the FCC to reinstate NN
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Yeehaw capitalism
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@tim_g said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Yeehaw capitalism
Technically this is anti-capitalism. The FCC allowing private money to influence the government is as far from capitalism ideals as you can get. That's not an open market.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@tim_g said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Yeehaw capitalism
Technically this is anti-capitalism. The FCC allowing private money to influence the government is as far from capitalism ideals as you can get. That's not an open market.
Yes, fundamentally, idealy, capitalism is good, just like communism... but in practice (just add people) communism doesn't work.
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Many things are that way, though. Great, but when put into practice, horrible.
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
FreePress.net is going to sue the FCC and work to get congress to reinstate Net Neutrality rules.
I did not read the article but what use is FCC and Net Neutrality, if Congress can reinstate Net Neutrality rules?
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@tim_g said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Yeehaw capitalism
Technically this is anti-capitalism. The FCC allowing private money to influence the government is as far from capitalism ideals as you can get. That's not an open market.
Capitalism: a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
Time Warner (for example) wanting to control their internet service in such a way to maximize profits at the cost of the public is very capitalist.
That the government is trying to control how a service provider provides it services (lessening ISP profits), and ISPs trying to pay off the government so they can do what they want. If the government is controlling them, then that is opposite of capitalism.
That the ISPs are trying to do what they want to to maximize profits (even if paying off the FCC to get what they want) is capitalist.
Being able to pay off FCC / government to get what you want is a different problem.
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@tim_g said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@tim_g said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Yeehaw capitalism
Technically this is anti-capitalism. The FCC allowing private money to influence the government is as far from capitalism ideals as you can get. That's not an open market.
Capitalism: a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
But not going past the law. The issue here is that corruption was involved. It's not a capitalist system once it crosses over into corruption. That's where it is different. The free market isn't being honored, so it isn't capitalism. In this particular case, the government and the corporations have merged and act together - the state itself is the bad actor here. It is the state the allows the monopolies, and the state that acts as an arm of them. In capitalism, the state and the companies are separate. This is where the US is a very non-capitalist country.
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@tim_g said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Being able to pay off FCC / government to get what you want is a different problem.
It's the core of the issue. It's what changes it from capitalism to the actions of the government. It's not private companies, but the government that's the issue.
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@black3dynamite said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
FreePress.net is going to sue the FCC and work to get congress to reinstate Net Neutrality rules.
I did not read the article but what use is FCC and Net Neutrality, if Congress can reinstate Net Neutrality rules?
Congress won't be able to get anything done without a shit ton of concessions and or giveaways.
The system will be entirely screwed.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@tim_g said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@tim_g said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Yeehaw capitalism
Technically this is anti-capitalism. The FCC allowing private money to influence the government is as far from capitalism ideals as you can get. That's not an open market.
Capitalism: a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
But not going past the law. The issue here is that corruption was involved. It's not a capitalist system once it crosses over into corruption. That's where it is different. The free market isn't being honored, so it isn't capitalism. In this particular case, the government and the corporations have merged and act together - the state itself is the bad actor here. It is the state the allows the monopolies, and the state that acts as an arm of them. In capitalism, the state and the companies are separate. This is where the US is a very non-capitalist country.
Yeah that makes sense, when looking at it from that direction.
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@black3dynamite said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
FreePress.net is going to sue the FCC and work to get congress to reinstate Net Neutrality rules.
I did not read the article but what use is FCC and Net Neutrality, if Congress can reinstate Net Neutrality rules?
Congress won't be able to get anything done without a shit ton of concessions and or giveaways.
The system will be entirely screwed.
While I have little faith in Congress as well, that's truly the only path if you want a permanent legislative "solution."
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@tim_g said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Yeehaw capitalism
Technically this is anti-capitalism. The FCC allowing private money to influence the government is as far from capitalism ideals as you can get. That's not an open market.
At the same time, NN is anti capitalism as well, by use of regulation, and not free market to give customers what they are willing to pay for and want - but as I mentioned about... the whole situation is rigged.. so until free market is truly delivered, NN is our current best best.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@tim_g said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Yeehaw capitalism
Technically this is anti-capitalism. The FCC allowing private money to influence the government is as far from capitalism ideals as you can get. That's not an open market.
At the same time, NN is anti capitalism as well, by use of regulation, and not free market to give customers what they are willing to pay for and want - but as I mentioned about... the whole situation is rigged.. so until free market is truly delivered, NN is our current best best.
That's not correct. There is no capitalism involved with ISPs as there is no free market. So NN can't be against capitalism as it's not in a situation where that can apply.
