Where Are You Running Nextcloud
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@scottalanmiller said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Like you just said, there's a price to be paid for great service.
That's a HUGE price, though. There are way better ways to skin that cat.
What are the better ways?
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@travisdh1 said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Are we now looking at VPS's?
I thought the plan was basic web hosting + Cloudways/Vultr for VPS?Uhm.... VPS cost so little now, especially through the $2.50/month Vultr plan. Why would anyone consider shared hosting still?
Why haven't you moved all your stuff to Vultr?
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@scottalanmiller said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Like you just said, there's a price to be paid for great service.
That's a HUGE price, though. There are way better ways to skin that cat.
What are the better ways?
I keep mentioning a plan that is way cheaper
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@travisdh1 said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Are we now looking at VPS's?
I thought the plan was basic web hosting + Cloudways/Vultr for VPS?Uhm.... VPS cost so little now, especially through the $2.50/month Vultr plan. Why would anyone consider shared hosting still?
B'cos some of us noobs still need "hand holding" aka cPanel & Softaculous!!
No one said not to have those things. I keep telling you, just install those two things on Vultr. Problem solved for cheap.
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@travisdh1 said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Are we now looking at VPS's?
I thought the plan was basic web hosting + Cloudways/Vultr for VPS?Uhm.... VPS cost so little now, especially through the $2.50/month Vultr plan. Why would anyone consider shared hosting still?
B'cos some of us noobs still need "hand holding" aka cPanel & Softaculous!!
Or in my case it's purely financially motivated. 1HR of my time costs the company way more than $11 the cPanel costs us. With only a single website to run/manage, I'd spend lots more than 1 hour a month applying security updates that cPanel just automatically takes care of. 5 minutes a week to check logs instead is worth that additional cost.
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@travisdh1 said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Are we now looking at VPS's?
I thought the plan was basic web hosting + Cloudways/Vultr for VPS?Uhm.... VPS cost so little now, especially through the $2.50/month Vultr plan. Why would anyone consider shared hosting still?
Why haven't you moved all your stuff to Vultr?
That's what we are doing.
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@travisdh1 said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@travisdh1 said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Are we now looking at VPS's?
I thought the plan was basic web hosting + Cloudways/Vultr for VPS?Uhm.... VPS cost so little now, especially through the $2.50/month Vultr plan. Why would anyone consider shared hosting still?
B'cos some of us noobs still need "hand holding" aka cPanel & Softaculous!!
Or in my case it's purely financially motivated. 1HR of my time costs the company way more than $11 the cPanel costs us. With only a single website to run/manage, I'd spend lots more than 1 hour a month applying security updates that cPanel just automatically takes care of. 5 minutes a week to check logs instead is worth that additional cost.
I'm finding cPanel to not save me any time, might actually slow me down. So moving away from that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@travisdh1 said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Are we now looking at VPS's?
I thought the plan was basic web hosting + Cloudways/Vultr for VPS?Uhm.... VPS cost so little now, especially through the $2.50/month Vultr plan. Why would anyone consider shared hosting still?
Why haven't you moved all your stuff to Vultr?
That's what we are doing.
Including the ASO stuff?
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@scottalanmiller said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@travisdh1 said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Are we now looking at VPS's?
I thought the plan was basic web hosting + Cloudways/Vultr for VPS?Uhm.... VPS cost so little now, especially through the $2.50/month Vultr plan. Why would anyone consider shared hosting still?
B'cos some of us noobs still need "hand holding" aka cPanel & Softaculous!!
No one said not to have those things. I keep telling you, just install those two things on Vultr. Problem solved for cheap.
By the time I do that, I'm at BigScoots pricing level?
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Where/what is
@scottalanmiller said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@travisdh1 said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Are we now looking at VPS's?
I thought the plan was basic web hosting + Cloudways/Vultr for VPS?Uhm.... VPS cost so little now, especially through the $2.50/month Vultr plan. Why would anyone consider shared hosting still?
Why haven't you moved all your stuff to Vultr?
That's what we are doing.
Including the ASO stuff?
That's all of our web right now. We have ASO paid for a bit, so not like moving overnight. Right now just the testing / development portion is going to a different "build it ourselves" platform. But yes, everything on ASO is slated to move to Vultr as we near the end of our ASO payment period.
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Just a quick cost estimate, we would get more speed and capacity on Vultr for $60/year paid monthly than we get on ASO for $200/year paid annually. So that's a $140 - $150 savings per year. Not too bad for an upgrade.
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Does that $60 plan cover everything you have? Are you going to install everything on a single server?
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Does that $60 plan cover everything you have? Are you going to install everything on a single server?
Yes, everything on one server. Everything is on one server with pretty much any provider, anyway. Cloudways is one server, too. One server is the industry standard until you are a Top ~50 site with insane traffic. If you get too big for a single server, you split your load by site, not by function, until single sites go beyond the single server threshold. Only then, when a single site is that enormous, that you consider splitting functions.
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Does that $60 plan cover everything you have? Are you going to install everything on a single server?
Keep in mind that we are talking BIG numbers when we talk about splitting. I know a certain site that runs on a single server and has topped 190 million requests in a single month and isn't even close to needing to split to more than one server. Estimates would put the need to split well into the billions of requests.
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Keep in mind that if you overrun the $60 Vultr size, you just update to the $120/year size. A 100% leap, but nowhere near the much smaller capacity you get with much higher price from someone like ASO. You can leap again to the $240 Vultr size and only just match the biggest shared plan that ASO has, which is smaller than the $60 Vultr plan in capacity.
So your potential growth with the Vultr approach is so much more than what you can do with most hosting providers. You get to grow to insane sizes without even going past the starting cost you would hit most places. You could host hundreds or thousands of websites at the $120/year price! Of course, assuming the are not abnormal ones.
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If you run the smallest Vultr plans, you are memory starved (this is the $2.50 plan) and can't really use tools like memory caches to speed things up. When you get to the $5 plan, under normal load, you can start to cache disk reads and you can add some memory caching. By the $10 plan you have lots of memory to spin up more web server worker threads for lower latency, and loads of memory for things like memcached and Varnish which will do a lot to really speed things up. You might even get Redis to make sense in that envelope.
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@scottalanmiller Who do you use for the generic "shared web hosting" function? I still want the "free" unlimited mailboxes/subdomains etc
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@scottalanmiller Who do you use for the generic "shared web hosting" function? I still want the "free" unlimited mailboxes/subdomains etc
At which location, do you mean historically with ASO? Then yes. But we never, ever use email from a web host no matter what we want. Having low cost mail is fine, but we never get it that way. It's a dangerous pairing.
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@scottalanmiller Who do you use for the generic "shared web hosting" function? I still want the "free" unlimited mailboxes/subdomains etc
What is the value to unlimited mailboxes that you get with any mail forwarding service? And why would you want to use someone else's domain when you have a choice?
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I use my own domains.
I like to have generic emails for different functions, like, [email protected] or [email protected]
I'd prefer to not have to pay for those.
