Windows 10 Search
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
@Carnival-Boy said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
@Tim_G sees that you need to modify search options to make it work.
No he doesn't. He writes "I haven't configured anything on my personal PC, and searching is 100% for me"
He had said that he needed to turn off Bing searches.
If you don't want search to include Bing searches then you turn it off. That's a feature, not a bug.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
@Carnival-Boy said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
@Tim_G sees that you need to modify search options to make it work.
No he doesn't. He writes "I haven't configured anything on my personal PC, and searching is 100% for me"
He had said that he needed to turn off Bing searches.
If you don't want search to include Bing searches then you turn it off. That's a feature, not a bug.
"Feature". It undermines the use cases that Microsoft touted and causes Windows to no longer work as we were told to use it. Yes, you can turn it off. But we should have needed to turn it on. It's a changed interface reaction without a changed interface process. It causes Windows to have been very useful and now be problematic when used in an identical manner. "Needing extra unnecessary management" is not a feature.
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I get that new versions of software have new features that you don't like. Software evolves. But that's not what you said. You said that everyone is seeing something different.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
I get that new versions of software have new features that you don't like. Software evolves. But that's not what you said. You said that everyone is seeing something different.
Both. It evolves, but there are "new features" and there is "unreliable interfaces", those are not the same. You can add a new feature without creating a situation where old actions no longer produce the same results. It's considered one of the fundamentals of good interface design - keep the same action doing the same thing. Add new "features" of course, but changing an interface is not a feature, it's a change to an old feature.
But seeing things differently is important. What's likely key here is different people searching for different things. I search essentially only for applications and only because Microsoft told me how I was supposed to do this to do things the "Microsoft way" and I adapted. It worked perfectly once I did. From Vista through 8.1 it made things work. The Metro interface was still jarring and totally disruptive to me, but if I closed my eyes and kept working as before, things still worked the same. And on my Linux desktops, all of the ones that I use implement that same Microsoft-recommended interface design. Hit the Windows key, type the name of the application you want to run, hit enter.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
Hit the Windows key, type the name of the application you want to run, hit enter.
But you're the only one claiming that this doesn't work properly.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
Hit the Windows key, type the name of the application you want to run, hit enter.
But you're the only one claiming that this doesn't work properly.
No, if it returns dangerous unpredictable results by default (web results) then it does not work as originally intended and stated by MS. So if you feel web results are in there, then you agree that it does not work the same as before. Originally it was safe that you would never suddenly expose data to the Internet via this process by default. If you accidentally typed a password there, for example, or you just didn't want to publicize what you are looking for on your desktop, it was not a security concern. It's very different today.
So we are agreeing on how it works. You are just saying, I think, that you think it is a feature and I'm saying that I feel that they broken interface that they themselves promoted.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
@Carnival-Boy said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
Hit the Windows key, type the name of the application you want to run, hit enter.
But you're the only one claiming that this doesn't work properly.
No, if it returns dangerous unpredictable results by default (web results) then it does not work as originally intended and stated by MS. So if you feel web results are in there, then you agree that it does not work the same as before. Originally it was safe that you would never suddenly expose data to the Internet via this process by default. If you accidentally typed a password there, for example, or you just didn't want to publicize what you are looking for on your desktop, it was not a security concern. It's very different today.
So we are agreeing on how it works. You are just saying, I think, that you think it is a feature and I'm saying that I feel that they broken interface that they themselves promoted.
It is working exactly as Microsoft intends. Just because Microsoft changed their intention and you do not like it, does not mean it is not as intended.
But again, I have no issues with it because it shows all of my data correctly when I search for something.
So you have issues with it. Not everyone. You are exaggerating your point of view as total fact when it it is not.
Staying up to date means you accept change. Even if it is a change you do not like.
Implement appropriate security in your applications (search in this case).
If web results are insecure in your application, disable them.
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@JaredBusch said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
It is working exactly as Microsoft intends. Just because Microsoft changed their intention and you do not like it, does not mean it is not as intended.
I said as originally intended. It's a changed interface, that was my point. Not that it wasn't intentionally changed.
I'm not the one that brought up the issue here, I only mentioned that I had similar issues to Dash who had been asked what issues he saw.
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@JaredBusch said in Windows: Finding Files with PowerShell:
It is working exactly as Microsoft intends. Just because Microsoft changed their intention and you do not like it, does not mean it is not as intended.
I agree that it is (mostly) working as MS intends for it to work in Windows 10.
I miss the days when MS used to force people through tutorials upon first logon... people learned the new features, where made aware of the changes to default things like this.
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Even with Bing search results turned on, I still find my apps and data I search for. Sometimes I search for an app I think I have, but I don't. Then I click the Bing result which sends me on my way to getting it. Nice feature if you ask me, and I would rather have it than not have it. If I'm dumb enough to type my password in my start menu for who knows what reason, then the Microsoft servers deserve to have it cached in there as my search history. Too bad for me then, I deserve it!
I think it's a handy feature for home use. I keep it turned on and haven't touched any settings on my home PC. At work, different story. I turned off just about everything, but then again we're using "Pro" version here.
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@nadnerB I wonder if it's possible to disable the "search online" with GPO...
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@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Search:
@nadnerB I wonder if it's possible to disable the "search online" with GPO...
It is and has been mentioned long ago in this thread.
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@JaredBusch I must've missed it, I saw the post that @nadnerB posted last night from my mobile.
I'll find it.
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@DustinB3403 said in Windows 10 Search:
@JaredBusch I must've missed it, I saw the post that @nadnerB posted last night from my mobile.
I'll find it.
not sure if the specific setting was listed but it was noted by someone that they disable it by GPO.
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@JaredBusch Maybe @scottalanmiller forked that portion into a different topic, as it is not in this one.
Any ideas?
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@JaredBusch Of course right as I stop reading his post it's right there..
Thanks.
@Tim_G what GPO do you have set to disable this?
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Never had an issue even with online searches.
If I type terms, I get my Dara IT terms and conditions files.
I always get to the apps I need.
Bearing in mind my systems are all SSD based, so that may or may not be a factor.
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You have to do a bit of configuration with libraries and Windows Server indexing and stuff to get it to search network shares, I believe? I haven't done this, but might. Are you lot keeping files on local drives? I don't keep anything locally.
Also, I believe it searches OneDrive by default, but I'm not sure if that includes ODfB? Is it easy to get it to search Sharepoint Online, as this is something I will probably need to do soon.
